2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

[Negrodamus]

It's hard to tell what Josh Jackson can do, with how Bill Self plays the Small Forward in his Offense, but I see a lot of the Duke year's Grant Hill in him. Has an all-around game, but isn't a shooter yet.

I see a lot of college MKG in him. Both non shooters but have very good handles, vision, defense, and finish at the rim well.

I think Josh projects to be a better shooter though.

I'm not sure, but MKG did shoot FTs at around 75% at UK to Josh Jackson's current 56%. Not defending MKG's nightmare form, but it doesn't appear that either are strong in the shooting department. But we're obviously still early in the season.

[Marcus]

I see a lot of college MKG in him. Both non shooters but have very good handles, vision, defense, and finish at the rim well.

I think Josh projects to be a better shooter though.

I'm not sure, but MKG did shoot FTs at around 75% at UK to Josh Jackson's current 56%. Not defending MKG's nightmare form, but it doesn't appear that either are strong in the shooting department. But we're obviously still early in the season.

Yeah Josh's free throw percentage is unnerving and I didn't expect that at all. Gonna need to get that in check going forward since I expect he'll get to the line quite a bit.

[LloydFree]

It's hard to tell what Josh Jackson can do, with how Bill Self plays the Small Forward in his Offense, but I see a lot of the Duke year's Grant Hill in him. Has an all-around game, but isn't a shooter yet.

I see a lot of college MKG in him. Both non shooters but have very good handles, vision, defense, and finish at the rim well.

Josh Jackson has a lot more physical projection left in his body. He also seems to have more body control than MGK. MGK was one of those guys that was built like a 25 year old at age 18. Though he was a high IQ player, he also overwhelmed college players with his size. I think Jackson has more upside.

[Kobblehead]

Not to mention Josh Jackson is a tremendous passer and secondary facilitator. MKG didn't make any possessional decisions at Kentucky.

[Negrodamus]

It's hard to tell what Josh Jackson can do, with how Bill Self plays the Small Forward in his Offense, but I see a lot of the Duke year's Grant Hill in him. Has an all-around game, but isn't a shooter yet.

I see a lot of college MKG in him. Both non shooters but have very good handles, vision, defense, and finish at the rim well.

Josh Jackson has a lot more physical projection left in his body. He also seems to have more body control than MGK. MGK was one of those guys that was built like a 25 year old at age 18. Though he was a high IQ player, he also overwhelmed college players with his size. I think Jackson has more upside.

Probably. I mean, there are certainly going to be differences between prospects, but neither of them remind me of a Ben Simmons that needed to have the ball in their hands and he essentially ran the offense.

I like him as a prospect, but I still like Fultz better.

[LloydFree]

I see a lot of college MKG in him. Both non shooters but have very good handles, vision, defense, and finish at the rim well.

Josh Jackson has a lot more physical projection left in his body. He also seems to have more body control than MGK. MGK was one of those guys that was built like a 25 year old at age 18. Though he was a high IQ player, he also overwhelmed college players with his size. I think Jackson has more upside.

Probably. I mean, there are certainly going to be differences between prospects, but neither of them remind me of a Ben Simmons that needed to have the ball in their hands and he essentially ran the offense.

I like him as a prospect, but I still like Fultz better.

OK. I won't argue definitely one over the other. I haven't seen enough, and I don't know when I'll ever get to see Fultz against good competition.

[Ericb5]

It's hard to tell what Josh Jackson can do, with how Bill Self plays the Small Forward in his Offense, but I see a lot of the Duke year's Grant Hill in him. Has an all-around game, but isn't a shooter yet.

Duke era Grant Hill was a great player. He didn't develop his shot until a few years into the NBA.

Jackson has a bit of a hitch in his shot though that I don't remember Hill having.


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He didn't say they were identical in everyway just that Josh shows Hill's versatility.

I'm not trying to disagree. I'm just further developing the thought.


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[ILikeLollies]

Shooting issues aside a draft haul of Jackson and Ntilikina (assuming Fultz is gone) would be great if defence is your thing.

Combined with Embiid & Simmons (Brown was praising his defence during sc) youve got versatile players who could switch onto almost anybody.

[PhilasFinest]

I see a lot of Josh Jackson/MKG comparisons..... what about Jaylen Brown???

Both big time athletes, with NBA bodies at a young age, hindered by lack of a consistent jumper.

Obviously I think Jackson is a better prospect right now, but seems to be in that type of "tier" in terms of athletic prospects with upside lacking shooting.

[LloydFree]

I see a lot of Josh Jackson/MKG comparisons..... what about Jaylen Brown???

Both big time athletes, with NBA bodies at a young age, hindered by lack of a consistent jumper.

Obviously I think Jackson is a better prospect right now, but seems to be in that type of "tier" in terms of athletic prospects with upside lacking shooting.

I see the similarity in size between Jackson and Brown, but I don't know about the rest. Jaylen Brown was more physical and powerful. He reminded me of the High school Jason Richardson. Jackson is more silky smooth. But with guys like Jackson, who have an all-around game, but busted shot, the range of outcomes is huge. He could develop his shot and become a slightly smaller Paul George or he may not improve much and become Corey Brewer.

[Duke4life831]

You guys get the Laker's pick this year right?

If so and say the Laker's pick is say 8-10 and you guys get a top 5 pick. You guys could really get some great guys to fill out your team. I said this in the main draft thread but I think there are 4 guys that fit your team (Simmons and Emiid) like a glove. Fultz, Jackson, Monk and Isaac, Ill even throw in OG and Markkanen. If you guys can land 2 of those 6 I think it will be the perfect draft for you guys. Fultz and Monk are both high end scorers who can score with or without the ball which fits perfectly next to Simmons. Jackson, Isaac and OG are freak athletes or freakishly tall (Isaac) wings that have great two way ability and even with Jackson's questionable shooting right now, I believe he will get that figured out in time. And Markkanen is the perfect 4 to go with Embiid. He isnt a rim protector but thats why you have Embiid, but he is athletic enough to guard 4s, is a pretty solid rebounder and offensively he fits perfectly. Great stretch 4 who is a lethal shooter. Plus you guys would be huge hes a legit 7 feet. Can you imagine a 7'2 Embiid, 7' Markkanen and a 6'10 Simmons out on the court. That would be massive and still work as long as Simmons can improve his perimeter D.

[Duke4life831]

I see a lot of Josh Jackson/MKG comparisons..... what about Jaylen Brown???

Both big time athletes, with NBA bodies at a young age, hindered by lack of a consistent jumper.

Obviously I think Jackson is a better prospect right now, but seems to be in that type of "tier" in terms of athletic prospects with upside lacking shooting.

Two very different athletes in my opinion. Brown is just a physical force, the best way to describe him is just powerful. Jackson is more of an open court finesse type athlete. I think they have similar ceilings but Jackson has the much higher floor. Brown has great defensive potential but has yet to be a good defender (ala Wiggins). Jackson on the other hand has great defensive potential and has been a good defender for a long time. Not elite shut down like MKG or Winslow, but really good. Jackson also just has a much better feel offensively, he is a much better facilitator than Brown. Brown is still a tremendous athlete learning basketball, Jackson is a basketball player that is a tremendous athlete. If Jackson was a dead eye shooter he would be one of the best prospects we have seen in a long time. Thats really his only glaring issue.

[eagereyez]

I wouldn't say Jackson fits like a glove with that broken jumper. His defense and rebounding would be great, but he needs to become a consistent shooter. I'd still take him if Fultz/Ball were gone, but I do have my reservations. Maybe it wouldn't be a problem if we can fill the guard spots with above average shooters.

[Ericb5]

I wouldn't say Jackson fits like a glove with that broken jumper. His defense and rebounding would be great, but he needs to become a consistent shooter. I'd still take him if Fultz/Ball were gone, but I do have my reservations. Maybe it wouldn't be a problem if we can fill the guard spots with above average shooters.

Just imagine Simmons running the break with Jackson. That will be fun to see. The lobs to Jackson would be spectacular.


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[Duke4life831]

I wouldn't say Jackson fits like a glove with that broken jumper. His defense and rebounding would be great, but he needs to become a consistent shooter. I'd still take him if Fultz/Ball were gone, but I do have my reservations. Maybe it wouldn't be a problem if we can fill the guard spots with above average shooters.

Thats assuming though that he will never improve his jumper. I also think Ball is an awful fit for you guys. If you want Simmons to be at his best and to be effective he will need the ball in his hands and that automatically cancels out the strengths of Ball and DSJ, both of them need to run the offense to be at their best. I do think Jackson is going to improve his jumper, plus you cant think just about offense, thats what Minnesota did and look at them, their pieces arent improving and they arent winning. Jackson you know is going to be a good defender and will be a flat out terror in transition and on cuts with Simmons out there. If he is there and Fultz isnt, I think you have to take a chance with him and hope he becomes a 2 way threat. Jackson is a high floor not matter what and a really high ceiling if he gets that jumper down.

[Duke4life831]

I wouldn't say Jackson fits like a glove with that broken jumper. His defense and rebounding would be great, but he needs to become a consistent shooter. I'd still take him if Fultz/Ball were gone, but I do have my reservations. Maybe it wouldn't be a problem if we can fill the guard spots with above average shooters.

Just imagine Simmons running the break with Jackson. That will be fun to see. The lobs to Jackson would be spectacular.


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That and hes the best perimeter defender in the draft until Fox or OG and both of those guys are much further down the draft than Jackson. You guys need a legit perimeter defender that is versatile, that is Jackson.

[PhilasFinest]

I see a lot of Josh Jackson/MKG comparisons..... what about Jaylen Brown???

Both big time athletes, with NBA bodies at a young age, hindered by lack of a consistent jumper.

Obviously I think Jackson is a better prospect right now, but seems to be in that type of "tier" in terms of athletic prospects with upside lacking shooting.

Two very different athletes in my opinion. Brown is just a physical force, the best way to describe him is just powerful. Jackson is more of an open court finesse type athlete. I think they have similar ceilings but Jackson has the much higher floor. Brown has great defensive potential but has yet to be a good defender (ala Wiggins). Jackson on the other hand has great defensive potential and has been a good defender for a long time.Not elite shut down like MKG or Winslow, but really good. Jackson also just has a much better feel offensively, he is a much better facilitator than Brown. Brown is still a tremendous athlete learning basketball, Jackson is a basketball player that is a tremendous athlete. If Jackson was a dead eye shooter he would be one of the best prospects we have seen in a long time. Thats really his only glaring issue.

Not trying to be a prick, but how exactly has Jackson been a good defender for "a long time" ? He has played all of 8 games of NCAA basketball.... don't think you can really account for defensive play in high school/aau when these kids are leaps and bounds better than everyone. Okafor was probably a good defender in high school.

Outside of that, I agree with you. I like Jackson a lot more as a prospect than Brown.

[Kobblehead]

Thats assuming though that he will never improve his jumper. I also think Ball is an awful fit for you guys. If you want Simmons to be at his best and to be effective he will need the ball in his hands and that automatically cancels out the strengths of Ball and DSJ, both of them need to run the offense to be at their best. I do think Jackson is going to improve his jumper, plus you cant think just about offense, thats what Minnesota did and look at them, their pieces arent improving and they arent winning. Jackson you know is going to be a good defender and will be a flat out terror in transition and on cuts with Simmons out there. If he is there and Fultz isnt, I think you have to take a chance with him and hope he becomes a 2 way threat. Jackson is a high floor not matter what and a really high ceiling if he gets that jumper down.

Ball's not just a facilitator, though. He's knocking down over 2 threes a game and over 80% of them are assisted. He's a great catch and shoot player. Which is exactly what you want playing with Embiid and Simmons.

[Duke4life831]

I see a lot of Josh Jackson/MKG comparisons..... what about Jaylen Brown???

Both big time athletes, with NBA bodies at a young age, hindered by lack of a consistent jumper.

Obviously I think Jackson is a better prospect right now, but seems to be in that type of "tier" in terms of athletic prospects with upside lacking shooting.

Two very different athletes in my opinion. Brown is just a physical force, the best way to describe him is just powerful. Jackson is more of an open court finesse type athlete. I think they have similar ceilings but Jackson has the much higher floor. Brown has great defensive potential but has yet to be a good defender (ala Wiggins). Jackson on the other hand has great defensive potential and has been a good defender for a long time.Not elite shut down like MKG or Winslow, but really good. Jackson also just has a much better feel offensively, he is a much better facilitator than Brown. Brown is still a tremendous athlete learning basketball, Jackson is a basketball player that is a tremendous athlete. If Jackson was a dead eye shooter he would be one of the best prospects we have seen in a long time. Thats really his only glaring issue.

Not trying to be a prick, but how exactly has Jackson been a good defender for "a long time" ? He has played all of 8 games of NCAA basketball.... don't think you can really account for defensive play in high school/aau when these kids are leaps and bounds better than everyone. Okafor was probably a good defender in high school.

Outside of that, I agree with you. I like Jackson a lot more as a prospect than Brown.

Jackson was always one of the better defenders when he was on team USA. The USA games showed that he is a legit defender. He was a good defender in high school and other big tournaments. I know that doesnt mean much but when comparing that to Wiggins or Brown they werent. Those two have never really shown to be good defenders but get talked about being good defenders because of their physical tools. Jackson again so far has always shown to be a good defender no matter the level of competition.

[Duke4life831]

Thats assuming though that he will never improve his jumper. I also think Ball is an awful fit for you guys. If you want Simmons to be at his best and to be effective he will need the ball in his hands and that automatically cancels out the strengths of Ball and DSJ, both of them need to run the offense to be at their best. I do think Jackson is going to improve his jumper, plus you cant think just about offense, thats what Minnesota did and look at them, their pieces arent improving and they arent winning. Jackson you know is going to be a good defender and will be a flat out terror in transition and on cuts with Simmons out there. If he is there and Fultz isnt, I think you have to take a chance with him and hope he becomes a 2 way threat. Jackson is a high floor not matter what and a really high ceiling if he gets that jumper down.

Ball's not just a facilitator, though. He's knocking down over 2 threes a game and over 80% of them are assisted. He's a great catch and shoot player. Which is exactly what you want playing with Embiid and Simmons.

Im not saying Ball isnt a good shooter. Im a huge Ball fan. But his biggest strength is running an offense. Simmons needs to run the offense, with no jumper and no low post moves for him to shine he needs to run the offense. Can Ball play off of that, ya of course but you start getting diminishing returns because their strengths over lap one another. Neither are scorers, their both setup type players. Thats why I think Fultz fits better, Fultz is an elite scorer on or off the ball. Fultz doesnt need to run the offense for him to be at his best, he just needs to be put in situations to score because scoring is what he does best.