Sixers officially acquire #1 pick per Woj and Aldridge. Will get Fultz

[lotto29]

Lakers is a given on the deal. The chance to be on Doncic sweepstakes is great but the chance is still low. While the Sac pick will probably be more useful to us in the future by bringing a missing piece (by trade or drafting) that we need on a time where this team biggest need with this supposed core will be more clear. It would also bringing that piece when we would probably be trying to get over the bump.

To me the Sac pick in the picture of this trade happening, it's more useful than the Lakers pick only because of timing.

[76ciology]

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Haha steve kyler is mr.obvious. Definitely it's a slow down till draft day.

[nitocobola]

yeah, better wait for woj.

[Sportfan73]

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Haha steve kyler is mr.obvious. Definitely it's a slow down till draft day.

I think it will get done after a physical and visit from Fultz.


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[Ericb5]

Well, I, like a lot of people, think Fultz is a franchise player - some would even take him over Simmons if they were both in the same draft (I'd take Simmons though). They're very close in talent.

Ainge is just making a move that he thinks fits in with the timeline and makeup of his roster. They have a bevy of guards and an older roster. They were the number one seeds in the East this year; they need a few established talents to be in the mix to get over the Lebron hump including a Lebron stopper (Butler). The move makes sense for the Celtics if that's their plan.

I don't really understand the Chip Kelly comparison given this is the one trade we will hopefully make and we have all other of our pieces - and besides its a fraught exercise comparing two different sports especially one in which roster sizes are massively different and picking talent outside of the first round is much more important in the NFL compared to the NBA.

The Chip Kelly comparison is the crazy poor value trade that you are forced to be patient with.

When he traded McCoy for Alonzo it was a crazy deal.

Look at it this way. If Ayton /Donic and Jackson were already on our roster, would we make this deal? No way.

That Lakers pick is unprotected, and if we trade it then we better hope that they suddenly improve and it turns into the 10th pick.


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Doncic would be a good fit with us - how does Ayton fit with Embiid on the roster? How does Jackson fit with what we have, let alone the fact he's just not a good prospect for top 3 in this draft?

Ayton wouldn't fit, but he would have trade value.


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[Ericb5]

It's basically..

It's a good deal if..
- Fultz is tier 1 and there's a gap between him and jackson
- 2018 draft isn't good

It's a bad deal if..
- Fultz and Jackson is in the same tier

Ainge and BC basically is on a coin toss betting between Fultz vs Jackson's value

Right. That sums up my feelings.


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[smittybanton]

Sam Amick: Sense from involved parties in Boston-Philly talks is Cs are all in. Checking physicals, poised to give No. 1 for package centered on No. 3 –

Steve Kyler: I think Fultz is best guy, but Celtics have to build their team. Most NBA talent folks don’t see a huge gap between Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Fox – via Twitter stevekylerNBA

Tom Moore @tmoore76ers
1 minute ago
Told #Sixers brain trust is back from private Josh Jackson workout in Sacramento.

Let's synthesize:

We're going to make a deal with a GM Colangelo doesn't like because he knows him as a shark, and before we discuss Josh Jackson and whether we can squeeze the Sacramento Kings?

Meanwhile the Celtics are all-in on a lopsided deal, even though most GM's don't believe there's that great a difference between #1?

I call b.s. There's a full court press on BC to do this deal. But it's not done yet, for no stated reason. Stay strong, B.

The Celtics and 76ers have been involved in substantive talks regarding a trade involving the first and third picks in next Thursday’s NBA draft, the Herald has confirmed. The story was first reported by ESPN and The Vertical. According to Herald sources, however, the move does not appear to be imminent, and it’s quite possible nothing will be decided until perhaps Monday. – via Boston Herald

Stay strong, B!

Reasons to think BC is mulling over the deal, while Ainge is putting the pressure on him.
As of 8:45am EST, these are the first three tweets reported on the subject over at HoopsHype:

David Aldridge: Sixers have yet to finalize pre-Draft meeting with @MarkelleF, necessary before they’ll pull the trigger on any deal w/Boston, per sources. – via Twitter daldridgetnt

Sixers have CHOSEN not to schedule a meeting with Fultz, as Fultz's long-time coach has already said he'd love to play with Ben Simmons. So Aldridge's tweet acknowledges a deal is not done, that at most the parameters of one have been discussed.

According to league sources, the Celts have been very willing to discuss deals for the No. 1 choice. “If (the Celtics) can turn that into more than one player and still get a guy it wants (in this draft), I think they’d love to do that,” one NBA executive said. – via Boston Herald

Every GM knows stickup kids is out to tax. This top tier is dope, and that Ainge wants to pull a fast one. It's all we as Sixers fans have also been talking about, fleecing Sacramento and such.

Boston has a very good team, I think they'll get Blake Griffin or no less than Serge Ibaka this offseason, along with the Nets pick next year and several others, and we're going to give them another shot at talents such as Mohammed Bamba (7'0), DeAndre Ayton (7'0), Michael Porter (6'10), and European wunderkind, Luka Doncic (6'5)?

For the good they got going, the one blip is a number one pick in a draft without a transcendent big man. Fultz does not move the needle for them. Ainge is especially motivated. Not us.

As much as I criticize Bryan Colangelo, he has pride, he is not Billy King, and surely doesn't want to be perceived of as such.

Steve Bulpett: Personal feeling is that Celtics-Philly deal is close, but momentum could be lost if it drags out too long. Minds could change. – via Twitter SteveBHoop

Boston area reporters and commentators have been bracing for a disappointment. I think they know what's up.
Tom Moore also tweeted that he's heard BC doesn't like dealing with Ainge. Perhaps this is the reason.

Michael Pina: A source told me rumored Celtics/Sixers deal involving No. 1 pick isn’t far along. No specific pieces set in place just yet. 2 hours ago – via Twitter MichaelVPina

Adam Himmelsbach: Source told me yesterday Cs have had countless trade talks in June. Sometimes the ones that are leaked seem more imminent, but might not be. 2 hours ago – via Twitter AdamHimmelsbach

Jonathan Wasserman: Hearing this could wind up being a 3-team trade between Philadelphia-Boston-Chicago including Butler, Okafor and lots of picks 2 hours ago – via Twitter NBADraftWass

I'm not entirely against moving up. Fultz does in fact fit perfectly with Ben Simmons. But I don't think he is necessarily the most talented in this draft, and others fit almost as well, plus we have a ton of capspace for a free agent who fits.

Bottom line, I don't see why we give up LA18.

[Ericb5]

The Eagles GM who gave up multiple first round picks for a boom or bust high pick (the #2), is Roseman not Kelly.

Yes, but that was a different story. We were well out of range of Wentz, and getting a franchise QB is always that type of deal if you don't have the right pick.

This trade is a loser on points. I understand the desire to consolidate assets, but I would prefer to do that for a sure thing, and not just a prospect that fits better.

Oh well. If it is done then it is done, and I'll be excited to have Fultz. I think he is better than D'angelo Russell and he fits perfectly next to Simmons. It will be fun to have an elite guard prospect again, and this obviously balances our roster out.


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[76ciology]

For a minute, think for Ainge and the Celtics.

They basically are looking at..
- all in on what we have right now, with the commitment on Horford and IT. Maybe be steal a chance at finals with Butler/Hayward.
- take a conservative approach and hoping for Fultz to be special.
- hedge Fultz for two chances with Jackson and 2018 LAL pick (i.e. 40% chance at superstar vs two 30% chance at superstar)

I just don't think being invested on Fultz gives them the highest pay-off.

I would rank it as..
1.)all in now with Butler, IT, Horford and possibly Hayward.
2.)hedge Fultz for top 3 pick and 2018 pick
3.)conservative approach and take it year by year

I just don't think Ainge sees this as a robbery. I see it more like a survival for contention

[cksdayoff]

never understood the hype with doncic. the guy is pedestrian

[76ciology]

never understood the hype with doncic. the guy is pedestrian

Me too! Its like emperor's clothes

[shawn_hemp]

Yeah Doncic is not worth holding onto a pick for but at the same time I don't think Fultz is worth giving one up either

I'd rather trade these picks for established players.

Id rather just draft Josh Jackson than move up to get Fultz

[shawn_hemp]

Smittybanton was that a Gangstarr reference btw?

[Gsraider]

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Boston wants Jimmy Butler, He fits well with IT and the rest of their team. However, with 3 teams involved anything could happen. Boston has the leverage over the Sixers, but Chicago has the leverage over Boston and it seems like the deals improve all 3. I hope it gets done, Fultz is a shooter and playmaker (Harden-like) that an overpay is justified to accelerate the process.

While I think CHI definitely has leverage over Boston, Boston's leverage over Philly should not be as great. First off, they probably need Philly's picks (and possibly Okafor) to get a deal done with CHI. Secondly, I and a few others believe that Ainge knows full well that the top prospect in this draft will create a massive logjam at guard in Boston, much the same way center became an issue in Philly. LA could be the offset if they really want Fultz too, but since I highly doubt they would trade Ingram and Russell creates the same issue for Boston, is the #3 pick and J. Randle more enticing to Boston? It's not as though LA has draft picks they can throw in as sweeteners. Sadly, I think Philly will wind up throwing in the LAL pick or the Sacto pick and I like Fultz enough, that I would probably do it, but considering the situation, I think Philly could offer the #3, it's first rounders from 2018 & 2019 and possibly even Okafor as well and that would be more than Boston would get elsewhere.

Let Ainge play poker himself and make the pick if he demands too much. Then, see what happens when teams know you have to deal guys like Smart, Bradley, Rozier, or Crowder (even IT). Philly had a similar issue with Noel/Okafor and were essentially forced to trade Noel for pennies on the dollar.

[hookshot199]

It's probably going to end up as:

CHI gets 3, 2018 LAL 1st, Okafor, and Brown
BOS gets Butler
PHI gets 1 plus filler

I also figure Boston will dump a salary on Philly so they can offer a full max to Hayward. I don't know which one they will want to dump, however, hence filler.

They can't go for Hayward if this trade goes through and they get Buttler. They've got to go for Griffin. Their front court is still weak.

[Stribor]

I strongly believe Fultz is what this team needs. Even if there is no gap between him and JJ (and I think there is), we need guards more than anything else. So 3 + Okafor + I hope our pick next year (I hope we will be much better then LA, so I would try to trade our pick and preserve LA pick)...

[hookshot199]

https://www.reddit.com/r/sixers/comments/6hrceh/jon_johnson_on_941_wip/

This trade has the potential to look extremely bad in a few years. The Lakers will be a bottom 5 team next season. That gives them about a 30% chance of landing a top 3 pick. So we could be giving up Jackson and one of Porter/Ayton/Bamba. That in addition to yet another Sixers pick. The inclusion of the LA pick was already a no for me, but this is a hell no.

I agree...we have to be getting another piece back (i.e. Smart or Bradley) in order for this to be fair. Granted, the 2019 PHI pick will likely be in the 20's, but still...

Edit: That #2 pick + Randle offer is laughable compared to #3 + LAL pick. It could also be BOS trying to increase BC's offer.

Bradley's an unrestricted free agent. How's that fair - a one-year rental? Smart can't shoot and will want a big payday in 2018.

[hookshot199]

Maybe BC can get Bradley. It would help the Celtics to free up cap space and we need AB

Why not wait until June 2018 and sign 'unrestricted free agent' Bradley? Give nothing for him.

[Chris76]

For a minute, think for Ainge and the Celtics.

They basically are looking at..
- all in on what we have right now, with the commitment on Horford and IT. Maybe be steal a chance at finals with Butler/Hayward.
- take a conservative approach and hoping for Fultz to be special.
- hedge Fultz for two chances with Jackson and 2018 LAL pick (i.e. 40% chance at superstar vs two 30% chance at superstar)

I just don't think being invested on Fultz gives them the highest pay-off.

I would rank it as..
1.)all in now with Butler, IT, Horford and possibly Hayward.
2.)hedge Fultz for top 3 pick and 2018 pick
3.)conservative approach and take it year by year

I just don't think Ainge sees this as a robbery. I see it more like a survival for contention

IT, Butler, and Horford is a better balanced team than IT, Fultz, and Horford. Butler's defense makes the deal work, but with the Sixers additional assets, Ainge gets to hedge his bet and get a well balanced team. He is setting Boston up to make a huge leap. Nevertheless, with Embiid's health issues this trade accelerates the process and also makes the Sixers a more balanced team. The quicker Embiid gets to the playoffs, the better chance he can get the Sixers a title. If it takes an overpay, than so be it.

[hookshot199]

Maybe BC can get Bradley. It would help the Celtics to free up cap space and we need AB

AB would be perfect. A great defensive SG that's a knockdown shooter. However, I would be surprised if Boston lets him go. He played a big part in their success.

Check the 'unrestricted' part. How does signing a one-year rental help us?

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/avery-bradley-6901/