Around the league 2017-2018

[Ericb5]

I like the direction of your team, but I don't get a chance to watch them on a regular basis. If you can ever get fully healthy I think you have a chance to be contenders for quite some time. Personally I think if you could get Irving for a package of Fultz, Bayless, and Okafor (no draft picks included) that you might extend that window by a few years. I understand that trading Fultz is a risk and he might turn out to be a superstar, but he might not too. You never know how unproven guys are going to turn out, but Kyrie is well established scorer and good three point shooter. I am not a Cavs fan at all, but Irving is a great offensive talent with some of that clutchness that any great team needs.

Irving, McConnell
Reddick, Stauskas
Covington, Luwawu
Simmons, Saric
Embiid, Holmes

Seems like a very good team to me with Bolden, Korkmaz, and Pasecniks still waiting for their turn next year.

The thing is that Irving is a malcontent. Talent wise he is a stud, and I would trade that package for him in a heartbeat.

The problem is that he wants to be the man, and he will never be the man on the Sixers while Simmons and Embiid are healthy. He wants to be the best player on a team, and he would be third here pretty quickly.

If that wasn't a problem, then I would love him on the Sixers.


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[TTP]

I like the direction of your team, but I don't get a chance to watch them on a regular basis. If you can ever get fully healthy I think you have a chance to be contenders for quite some time. Personally I think if you could get Irving for a package of Fultz, Bayless, and Okafor (no draft picks included) that you might extend that window by a few years. I understand that trading Fultz is a risk and he might turn out to be a superstar, but he might not too. You never know how unproven guys are going to turn out, but Kyrie is well established scorer and good three point shooter. I am not a Cavs fan at all, but Irving is a great offensive talent with some of that clutchness that any great team needs.

Irving, McConnell
Reddick, Stauskas
Covington, Luwawu
Simmons, Saric
Embiid, Holmes

Seems like a very good team to me with Bolden, Korkmaz, and Pasecniks still waiting for their turn next year.

The thing is that Irving is a malcontent. Talent wise he is a stud, and I would trade that package for him in a heartbeat.

The problem is that he wants to be the man, and he will never be the man on the Sixers while Simmons and Embiid are healthy. He wants to be the best player on a team, and he would be third here pretty quickly.

If that wasn't a problem, then I would love him on the Sixers.


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That's not the main problem. His on-court production does not match his perceived skills and reputation.

[Sixerscan]

Didn't the cavs had interest in McConnel last year? Maybe we could revisit that idea and trade him for Kyrie. Based on this article, they want a blue chip young player. McConnel fits that. If they want we could add Holmes and Okafor.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/247006/Cavaliers-Seeking-Blue-Chip-Young-Player-As-Centerpiece-In-Kyrie-Irving-Trade

McConnell for Kyrie sounds very, very fair.

Cavs only chance to beat the warriors is to bring in the clutchest player in NBA history

[Ericb5]

I like the direction of your team, but I don't get a chance to watch them on a regular basis. If you can ever get fully healthy I think you have a chance to be contenders for quite some time. Personally I think if you could get Irving for a package of Fultz, Bayless, and Okafor (no draft picks included) that you might extend that window by a few years. I understand that trading Fultz is a risk and he might turn out to be a superstar, but he might not too. You never know how unproven guys are going to turn out, but Kyrie is well established scorer and good three point shooter. I am not a Cavs fan at all, but Irving is a great offensive talent with some of that clutchness that any great team needs.

Irving, McConnell
Reddick, Stauskas
Covington, Luwawu
Simmons, Saric
Embiid, Holmes

Seems like a very good team to me with Bolden, Korkmaz, and Pasecniks still waiting for their turn next year.

The thing is that Irving is a malcontent. Talent wise he is a stud, and I would trade that package for him in a heartbeat.

The problem is that he wants to be the man, and he will never be the man on the Sixers while Simmons and Embiid are healthy. He wants to be the best player on a team, and he would be third here pretty quickly.

If that wasn't a problem, then I would love him on the Sixers.


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That's not the main problem. His on-court production does not match his perceived skills and reputation.

That sounds like you are saying that he isn't a great player, but in the right circumstance, he is.

The ironic thing is that he is in the right circumstance today. Lebron makes him great.

I believe that Embiid/Simmons would make him great.

He doesn't want to be with better players.

Remember being an Eagles fan during the whole Terrell Owens circus? He had everything and couldn't handle it. He HAD to blow it up, and that was as confusing to me as this is. I learned from that though.

No thank you to Irving on this team, and it has nothing to do with talent.


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[Sixerscan]

The thing is that Irving is a malcontent. Talent wise he is a stud, and I would trade that package for him in a heartbeat.

The problem is that he wants to be the man, and he will never be the man on the Sixers while Simmons and Embiid are healthy. He wants to be the best player on a team, and he would be third here pretty quickly.

If that wasn't a problem, then I would love him on the Sixers.


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That's not the main problem. His on-court production does not match his perceived skills and reputation.

That sounds like you are saying that he isn't a great player, but in the right circumstance, he is.

The ironic thing is that he is in the right circumstance today. Lebron makes him great.

I believe that Embiid/Simmons would make him great.

He doesn't want to be with better players.

Remember being an Eagles fan during the whole Terrell Owens circus? He had everything and couldn't handle it. He HAD to blow it up, and that was as confusing to me as this is. I learned from that though.

No thank you to Irving on this team, and it has nothing to do with talent.


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What if he just wants out because thinks Lebron is going to leave?

Call me when kyrie is doing sit-ups in his driveway.

[shawn_hemp]

I would trade Fultz for Kyrie without hesitation.

And what do you mean "TO had everything and blew it up"?

TO was clearly the best WR in the league and felt that he should have been compensated as such, which players do all the time in football because the money isn't always guaranteed like the NBA. He had just signed a deal but far outplayed what he was being paid

meanwhile, McNabb had his guaranteed money yet always choked. A lot of people in the locker room sided with TO actually, but the Eagles stuck by their franchise QB (who made them more money for their bottom line)

TO and Kyrie situations are not comparable at all. This isn't about money, Kyrie is going to make the same amount regardless of how this plays out.

[TTP]

The thing is that Irving is a malcontent. Talent wise he is a stud, and I would trade that package for him in a heartbeat.

The problem is that he wants to be the man, and he will never be the man on the Sixers while Simmons and Embiid are healthy. He wants to be the best player on a team, and he would be third here pretty quickly.

If that wasn't a problem, then I would love him on the Sixers.


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That's not the main problem. His on-court production does not match his perceived skills and reputation.

That sounds like you are saying that he isn't a great player, but in the right circumstance, he is.

The ironic thing is that he is in the right circumstance today. Lebron makes him great.

I believe that Embiid/Simmons would make him great.

He doesn't want to be with better players.

Remember being an Eagles fan during the whole Terrell Owens circus? He had everything and couldn't handle it. He HAD to blow it up, and that was as confusing to me as this is. I learned from that though.

No thank you to Irving on this team, and it has nothing to do with talent.


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I don't understand how this compares to the TO situation. I could be remembering incorrectly but if I recall, TO was upset with his contract because the money was weighted heavily towards the end of the contract and the Eagles were likely to release him before he saw a lot of it. I thought he had a legitimate argument at the time and the team could have handled it better.

I don't think Kyrie is a particularly great player though. He's great at certain things like getting his own shot (often at the expense of his team's offense). I'm not sure he's even a top 25 player.

[Chris76]

That's not the main problem. His on-court production does not match his perceived skills and reputation.

That sounds like you are saying that he isn't a great player, but in the right circumstance, he is.

The ironic thing is that he is in the right circumstance today. Lebron makes him great.

I believe that Embiid/Simmons would make him great.

He doesn't want to be with better players.

Remember being an Eagles fan during the whole Terrell Owens circus? He had everything and couldn't handle it. He HAD to blow it up, and that was as confusing to me as this is. I learned from that though.

No thank you to Irving on this team, and it has nothing to do with talent.


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I don't understand how this compares to the TO situation. I could be remembering incorrectly but if I recall, TO was upset with his contract because the money was weighted heavily towards the end of the contract and the Eagles were likely to release him before he saw a lot of it. I thought he had a legitimate argument at the time and the team could have handled it better.

I don't think Kyrie is a particularly great player though. He's great at certain things like getting his own shot (often at the expense of his team's offense). I'm not sure he's even a top 25 player.

TO on the field was great, but off the field was his problem. He couldn't keep his mouth shut. It's interesting about his contract situation. Anyway, GSW is such a good team that Cleveland believes they can't beat them without a change. It's tough Lebron, Kyrie, and Love played well, but Durant and Curry are incredible together. Anyway, I think Kyrie and Lebron should stay together and Love should be traded for a more defensive force, maybe Isaac.

[Ericb5]

That's not the main problem. His on-court production does not match his perceived skills and reputation.

That sounds like you are saying that he isn't a great player, but in the right circumstance, he is.

The ironic thing is that he is in the right circumstance today. Lebron makes him great.

I believe that Embiid/Simmons would make him great.

He doesn't want to be with better players.

Remember being an Eagles fan during the whole Terrell Owens circus? He had everything and couldn't handle it. He HAD to blow it up, and that was as confusing to me as this is. I learned from that though.

No thank you to Irving on this team, and it has nothing to do with talent.


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I don't understand how this compares to the TO situation. I could be remembering incorrectly but if I recall, TO was upset with his contract because the money was weighted heavily towards the end of the contract and the Eagles were likely to release him before he saw a lot of it. I thought he had a legitimate argument at the time and the team could have handled it better.

I don't think Kyrie is a particularly great player though. He's great at certain things like getting his own shot (often at the expense of his team's offense). I'm not sure he's even a top 25 player.

TO was completely unjustified. He signed a deal, and then blew up the team because he thought he deserved more money. He couldn't handle being paid less than Donovan basically. He had a great season, went to the Super Bowl, was in a great position to go back, and blew it all up due to pathological selfishness.

That is what Irving is doing right now.


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[Ericb5]

I would trade Fultz for Kyrie without hesitation.

And what do you mean "TO had everything and blew it up"?

TO was clearly the best WR in the league and felt that he should have been compensated as such, which players do all the time in football because the money isn't always guaranteed like the NBA. He had just signed a deal but far outplayed what he was being paid

meanwhile, McNabb had his guaranteed money yet always choked. A lot of people in the locker room sided with TO actually, but the Eagles stuck by their franchise QB (who made them more money for their bottom line)

TO and Kyrie situations are not comparable at all. This isn't about money, Kyrie is going to make the same amount regardless of how this plays out.

TO signed a deal fair and square and then refused to honor it. He also was a complete jerk and insubordinate at the time. He fractured the whole team for purely selfish reasons. I was as into the Eagles then as I am to the Sixers now. That whole fiasco was ridiculous. It was mental illness really. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, he made it worse, and eventually got kicked off of the team. The year before he had one of the great seasons that any Eagle has ever had.

The parallel is between great players not being happy on winning teams because they don't get enough glory for themselves. With TO he wanted more money, and Irving won't get more money, but if he can't be happy going to the finals, on a team that he led in shots taken btw, then he literally wants to go to a worse team so he can be the best player.

Also, the argument that Lebron may leave after this year is silly. That would mean that Irving would get to be the man next year, which is seemingly what he wants.

I don't know how you could expect him to work on the Sixers if he can't work on the Cavs. He is in a dream situation in Cleveland.

There will be plenty of teams that will let him come in and be their best player. Let's see how that works out for him. Let's see if he ever wins 50 games on a team where he is the best player.


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[Mik317]

I'm biased as **** when it comes to Kyrie. I've wanted him since Duke. Dude is insanely fun to watch and has been one of my favorite players to watch (most of the time; I'll admit I hate watching the Cavs purely due to salt and Cavs fans popping their chests out and **** on our process like they didn't benefit from tanking...but that's just me).

I'd love to be able to get him here. He's what I hope Fultz becomes.

That being said...

We don't have anything the Cavs would want (could make it as 3 team trade but why not just cut us out and get Kyrie?) as they are trying to win NOW and placate LeBron (that being said...quietly admitting its over and starting over with Fultz and picks would be wise I guess).

Also if the reasoning for Kyrie wanting out is true...then we aren't the best place for him. If its just because of LeBron's playstyle...then why would he want to play with Simmons? If its so he can be THE MAN...that's not happening with Embiid here (or Simmons) as he isn't home grown and fans will always love them over him (although he is kinda sorta but not really from the area; plus dat aussie connection yo).

So I doubt it happens regardless....but it would be something I'd enjoy a lot

[mithrandir17]

The nets just traded for Crabbe. Crabbe will be making 22M due to the trade kicker. I can't believe POR was able to trade that albatross contract.

[Unbreakable99]

The nets just traded for Crabbe. Crabbe will be making 22M due to the trade kicker. I can't believe POR was able to trade that albatross contract.

I read he waived the no trade kicker.

[Ericb5]

The nets just traded for Crabbe. Crabbe will be making 22M due to the trade kicker. I can't believe POR was able to trade that albatross contract.

This is what happens when someone is playing with house money. The Nets are so screwed because of Billy King that they can take on dead contracts.

How did they not get a first round pick out of that deal? Portland had 3 of them this year.


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[Sixerscan]

The nets just traded for Crabbe. Crabbe will be making 22M due to the trade kicker. I can't believe POR was able to trade that albatross contract.

This is what happens when someone is playing with house money. The Nets are so screwed because of Billy King that they can take on dead contracts.

How did they not get a first round pick out of that deal? Portland had 3 of them this year.


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The Nicholson contract kind of sucks too. Just smaller but for a worse player. $18 million a year for 3 years for a decent role player versus $6 million a year for 3 years for someone that is borderline useless.

[Sixerscan]

Holy crap Brandon Knight tore his ACL. As if that contract wasn't bad enough.

[Unbreakable99]

I think the Wolves should definitely trade Wiggins for Kyrie. Wiggins is overrated. Neither can play defense but if rather have no defense come from the PG position than wing position. Also Kyrie Butler Towns is better than Wiggins Butler Towns. I like Kyrie in the right environment and I think Minnesota would be a good fit for him.

[Sixersftw]

I think the Wolves should definitely trade Wiggins for Kyrie. Wiggins is overrated. Neither can play defense but if rather have no defense come from the PG position than wing position. Also Kyrie Butler Towns is better than Wiggins Butler Towns. I like Kyrie in the right environment and I think Minnesota would be a good fit for him.

I like that in a vacuum but that's a lot of chiefs and not enough Indians. Both Butler and Kyrie have either actually or have been rumored to balk at the concept of not being the guy. In Minnesota, KAT should be the undisputed man there and I could see either Kyrie or Butler not loving it. It just feels like a clash of personalities waiting to happen.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Kyrie is definitely a better player than Wiggins, but they just signed Teague. Are they gonna move him to the bench or SG? Also Wiggins they'd have for 5 more years of control. Kyrie could leave in a couple years and they'd get nothing. It's a tough call.

[Ericb5]

I think the Wolves should definitely trade Wiggins for Kyrie. Wiggins is overrated. Neither can play defense but if rather have no defense come from the PG position than wing position. Also Kyrie Butler Towns is better than Wiggins Butler Towns. I like Kyrie in the right environment and I think Minnesota would be a good fit for him.

I would trade Wiggins for Irving for the Twolves, but what would Cleveland do with Wiggins?

He isn't going to help them contend this year.


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