Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[Mik317]

that would make too much sense tho.

can't have that around here.

come on son

I think someone said something to the effect that the G-League is beneath him. It's the only reason I posted about it. We scurry him off before the practice is open to the media. He's taking 3 weeks off after the team releases a statement about his shoulder being pain free.

The annoying part of this ridiculous saga is that it's easier to be blissfully ignorant to the absurdity and believe that this entire situation was only about his shoulder. So when he comes back and plays well (which everyone on this board is hoping for), there will be a handful of posters on here that will make it intolerable when they go on some self righteous witch hunt over the posters that have been skeptical over a very ambiguous situation.

not going to lie I might be one of those **** gloating if it comes to that lol. Then again I also believe in Karma so as soon as I'd do so, he'd start playing as asscheeks so yeah.

but as for the GLeague thing...yeah its a no brainer he should be getting reps there..that is legit one of the reasons we even have the gleague ffs.

but this franchise is too shook at what the optics of that would be so they won't risk it. Could you imagine him going to the Dleague, still shoot like ass and plays poorly? maaaaaaaan. I think Lloyd lays it on too think with his hatred of Fultz (by proxy of the trade of course) but he does have a point in that I think a lot of this is Colangelo really wanting to prove himself and Fultz **** up harms that quite a bit. Fultz is by all means, Bryan's first big move since being handed the job. Simmons technically but even that was off the backs of us being assjuice ie. tanking/Hinkie. He really needs Fultz to be what everyone says he is to have something of his own to point to as HIS guy. So that plays a major part in all of this, as Fultz is not going to hit the court until every possible potential setback is fixed.

[XDevilBoiX]

HIS(Fultz) guy made him(BC) look bad already lol. BC threw him to the wolves with a injured shoulder.

[gdog2004]

that would make too much sense tho.

can't have that around here.

come on son

I think someone said something to the effect that the G-League is beneath him. It's the only reason I posted about it. We scurry him off before the practice is open to the media. He's taking 3 weeks off after the team releases a statement about his shoulder being pain free.

The annoying part of this ridiculous saga is that it's easier to be blissfully ignorant to the absurdity and believe that this entire situation was only about his shoulder. So when he comes back and plays well (which everyone on this board is hoping for), there will be a handful of posters on here that will make it intolerable when they go on some self righteous witch hunt over the posters that have been skeptical over a very ambiguous situation.

not going to lie I might be one of those **** gloating if it comes to that lol. Then again I also believe in Karma so as soon as I'd do so, he'd start playing as asscheeks so yeah.

but as for the GLeague thing...yeah its a no brainer he should be getting reps there..that is legit one of the reasons we even have the gleague ffs.

but this franchise is too shook at what the optics of that would be so they won't risk it. Could you imagine him going to the Dleague, still shoot like ass and plays poorly? maaaaaaaan. I think Lloyd lays it on too think with his hatred of Fultz (by proxy of the trade of course) but he does have a point in that I think a lot of this is Colangelo really wanting to prove himself and Fultz **** up harms that quite a bit. Fultz is by all means, Bryan's first big move since being handed the job. Simmons technically but even that was off the backs of us being assjuice ie. tanking/Hinkie. He really needs Fultz to be what everyone says he is to have something of his own to point to as HIS guy. So that plays a major part in all of this, as Fultz is not going to hit the court until every possible potential setback is fixed.

Lotta truth there. If Fultz is a bust, or is even just mediocre, it could mean BC's job. It would be one thing if he selected him third, but to trade away a prime asset AND essentially bypass the best rookie from this class(Tatum), well that's a fire-able offense.

[LloydFree]

I think someone said something to the effect that the G-League is beneath him. It's the only reason I posted about it. We scurry him off before the practice is open to the media. He's taking 3 weeks off after the team releases a statement about his shoulder being pain free.

The annoying part of this ridiculous saga is that it's easier to be blissfully ignorant to the absurdity and believe that this entire situation was only about his shoulder. So when he comes back and plays well (which everyone on this board is hoping for), there will be a handful of posters on here that will make it intolerable when they go on some self righteous witch hunt over the posters that have been skeptical over a very ambiguous situation.

not going to lie I might be one of those **** gloating if it comes to that lol. Then again I also believe in Karma so as soon as I'd do so, he'd start playing as asscheeks so yeah.

but as for the GLeague thing...yeah its a no brainer he should be getting reps there..that is legit one of the reasons we even have the gleague ffs.

but this franchise is too shook at what the optics of that would be so they won't risk it. Could you imagine him going to the Dleague, still shoot like ass and plays poorly? maaaaaaaan. I think Lloyd lays it on too think with his hatred of Fultz (by proxy of the trade of course) but he does have a point in that I think a lot of this is Colangelo really wanting to prove himself and Fultz **** up harms that quite a bit. Fultz is by all means, Bryan's first big move since being handed the job. Simmons technically but even that was off the backs of us being assjuice ie. tanking/Hinkie. He really needs Fultz to be what everyone says he is to have something of his own to point to as HIS guy. So that plays a major part in all of this, as Fultz is not going to hit the court until every possible potential setback is fixed.

Lotta truth there. If Fultz is a bust, or is even just mediocre, it could mean BC's job. It would be one thing if he selected him third, but to trade away a prime asset AND essentially bypass the best rookie from this class(Tatum), well that's a fire-able offense.

Though he should have been fired on the spot for that ridiculous trade, they're not going to fire him for this. No matter what Fultz looks like. Ownership practically begged him to take the job. Colangelo sold out the arena with that trade, due to local talk radio promoting Fultz as some generational talent. His job is secure.

[Hardcore6erFan]

I can't believe people actually think this is purely a physical injury and are defending the organization's handling of Fultz. Carson Wentz played 4 snaps with a torn acl and threw a TD pass, but Fultz needs another 3 weeks when he is pain free? Give me a freaking break. There's no injury that would make Fultz shoot foul shouts the way he shot them. This is a psychological issue with him. Stop being naive people.

[Ryuzaki]

There's no injury that would make Fultz shoot foul shouts the way he shot them.

He literally had to unnaturally force his arm out and away from his body to limit his shoulders ROM which thus reduced the pain he inflicted on himself while shooting ft's. You sound airheaded

[Eyeamok]

HIS(Fultz) guy made him(BC) look bad already lol. BC threw him to the wolves with a injured shoulder.

And injured ego. But if Fultz comes back and plays well, his sitting out will be just a mere footnote in the history books. Not something people will harp on.

[Kobblehead]

"Markelle, say cheese"

[ivysixer2000]

that would make too much sense tho.

can't have that around here.

come on son

The annoying part of this ridiculous saga is that it's easier to be blissfully ignorant to the absurdity and believe that this entire situation was only about his shoulder. So when he comes back and plays well (which everyone on this board is hoping for), there will be a handful of posters on here that will make it intolerable when they go on some self righteous witch hunt over the posters that have been skeptical over a very ambiguous situation.

I do have a question, don't you think that there is also that handful of posters that are making posting and reading here intolerable right now and over the past few months?

Goes both ways man, throw out all that hate and they gotta be man enough to handle the consequences of those actions whether you want to call it a witch hunt or not.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I can't believe people actually think this is purely a physical injury and are defending the organization's handling of Fultz. Carson Wentz played 4 snaps with a torn acl and threw a TD pass, but Fultz needs another 3 weeks when he is pain free? Give me a freaking break. There's no injury that would make Fultz shoot foul shouts the way he shot them. This is a psychological issue with him. Stop being naive people.

lmao wtf does Wentz have to do with Fultz's shooting?

[HotelVitale]

If anyone wants a break from wild speculation about injuries we have no way of knowing anything about, I was looking at Porter highlights the other day and saw this Fultz vid that was unexpectedly interesting. It's from 2016 FIBA U18 tourney, games are sloppy and defense weak but the pace is also faster than at his UW/NCAA ones, and you can see a little more how some of his skills might be useful in the quicker and more open NBA games. He's still not exactly explosive but he shows some great crossovers, stutter steps, etc, plus some floaters and in-between moves that will be available to him in NBA games.

Watch on YouTube

[Sixers2125]

I think someone said something to the effect that the G-League is beneath him. It's the only reason I posted about it. We scurry him off before the practice is open to the media. He's taking 3 weeks off after the team releases a statement about his shoulder being pain free.

The annoying part of this ridiculous saga is that it's easier to be blissfully ignorant to the absurdity and believe that this entire situation was only about his shoulder. So when he comes back and plays well (which everyone on this board is hoping for), there will be a handful of posters on here that will make it intolerable when they go on some self righteous witch hunt over the posters that have been skeptical over a very ambiguous situation.

not going to lie I might be one of those **** gloating if it comes to that lol. Then again I also believe in Karma so as soon as I'd do so, he'd start playing as asscheeks so yeah.

but as for the GLeague thing...yeah its a no brainer he should be getting reps there..that is legit one of the reasons we even have the gleague ffs.

but this franchise is too shook at what the optics of that would be so they won't risk it. Could you imagine him going to the Dleague, still shoot like ass and plays poorly? maaaaaaaan. I think Lloyd lays it on too think with his hatred of Fultz (by proxy of the trade of course) but he does have a point in that I think a lot of this is Colangelo really wanting to prove himself and Fultz **** up harms that quite a bit. Fultz is by all means, Bryan's first big move since being handed the job. Simmons technically but even that was off the backs of us being assjuice ie. tanking/Hinkie. He really needs Fultz to be what everyone says he is to have something of his own to point to as HIS guy. So that plays a major part in all of this, as Fultz is not going to hit the court until every possible potential setback is fixed.

Lotta truth there. If Fultz is a bust, or is even just mediocre, it could mean BC's job. It would be one thing if he selected him third, but to trade away a prime asset AND essentially bypass the best rookie from this class(Tatum), well that's a fire-able offense.

I like that we're already declaring Tatum the best rookie of his class. After what? 25 games? I'm not even sure I don't like Donovan Mitchell over Tatum as of right now.

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[Simmons25]

No.

[CelticsWin5]

This team should've drafted Tatum. Not doing so is going to bite us in the you know what...

If you’re short term bias, then yeah definitely. Atleast he can play and shoot almost 50% from 3s

actually, Tatum leads the league in 3pt %. Tatum shot 78% from 3pt in games last week (52% for the season). At the Celtics board, we actually calculated using binomial distribution that Tatum has a low chance (3%) to regress to 42% because we are so deep into the season. Even if he regresses to 45%, that is Ray Allens best season. So prime ray allen is tatums floor this season for the 3pt

[eyeatoma]

This team should've drafted Tatum. Not doing so is going to bite us in the you know what...

If you’re short term bias, then yeah definitely. Atleast he can play and shoot almost 50% from 3s

actually, Tatum leads the league in 3pt %. Tatum shot 78% from 3pt in games last week (52% for the season). At the Celtics board, we actually calculated using binomial distribution that Tatum has a low chance (3%) to regress to 42% because we are so deep into the season. Even if he regresses to 45%, that is Ray Allens best season. So prime ray allen is tatums floor this season for the 3pt

What is the volume of 3 pt shots he takes compared to Allen? Tatum takes 1.6 shots per game. Ray Allen took 2.3 per game for his career, and his highest was 3.4. So no, that doesn't compare to Ray Allen's percentages.

I could shoot 50% on 3 pointers by making 1 of 2. That does not mean I'm a better shooter than Ray Allen. The same thing goes for Jayson Tatum. Heck even if Tatum was shooting at the volume that Allen did, he needs to have a career before saying his floor for 3pt shot is prime Ray Allen.

[marcush]

Either Fultz puts his big boy pants on or Colangelo needs to get the team some creativity in the backcourt for the 2nd unit.

[Lovetron Joe]

This team should've drafted Tatum. Not doing so is going to bite us in the you know what...

If you’re short term bias, then yeah definitely. Atleast he can play and shoot almost 50% from 3s

actually, Tatum leads the league in 3pt %. Tatum shot 78% from 3pt in games last week (52% for the season). At the Celtics board, we actually calculated using binomial distribution that Tatum has a low chance (3%) to regress to 42% because we are so deep into the season. Even if he regresses to 45%, that is Ray Allens best season. So prime ray allen is tatums floor this season for the 3pt

Tatum is 60th in the NBA in 3pt fgs made. He had 4 pts. on 1 for 7 shooting in tonight’s loss to the Bulls. Zero for 4 from three pt land.

[Sixers2125]

Tatum has a very low usage and is the 4th option on a great team. He only takes wide open shots. Not much is being asked if him yet. He has done a great job but I think a lot of rookies would do great in his position.

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[LordCovington33]

I thought that graph was pointing to Ball's three point percentage.

[LordCovington33]

Tatum has a very low usage and is the 4th option on a great team. He only takes wide open shots. Not much is being asked if him yet. He has done a great job but I think a lot of rookies would do great in his position.

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He was 3rd pick for a reason. Great 4th option, but likely to piss himself if given the reins.