Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[76ciology]

Murray can’t shoot so he ain’t on our radar.

[youngcrev]

I think offense has been what has snake bitten them in the playoffs moreso than the defense.

Playing terrible defensive players such high volume minutes sure didn't help matters.

But yeah, you could say our lack of scoring off the dribble has been our biggest playoff detriment.

But again, neither Hield or Barnes help with that.

I'd take a quality primary, off the dribble option over Hield (Jrue, Dinwiddie, CP3), but I still think he'd be very helpful to the team. We've seen the team run at a high level with Jo/Ben/JJ. Might translate better in the playoffs with a more athletic, more prolific scorer in the JJ role. I don't think he's sinking your defense if put on the opposing teams worst perimeter threat.

Barnes is just a guy. Low-end starter that won't kill you on either end. Wouldn't be interested due to that salary.

[Kobblehead]

Murray can’t shoot so he ain’t on our radar.

Rondo and Caruso are going to be playing crunchtime minutes with Davis and James.

I'm sure Murray can play with Embiid and Simmons.

[Kobblehead]

I'd take a quality primary, off the dribble option over Hield (Jrue, Dinwiddie, CP3), but I still think he'd be very helpful to the team. We've seen the team run at a high level with Jo/Ben/JJ. Might translate better in the playoffs with a more athletic, more prolific scorer in the JJ role. I don't think he's sinking your defense if put on the opposing teams worst perimeter threat.

Barnes is just a guy. Low-end starter that won't kill you on either end. Wouldn't be interested due to that salary.

Buddy is a loser, though. If he was strong as Redick was from the neck-up, maybe he could help us. I just don't see it.

Also, there's no hiding defenders on the worst perimeter threat. Nobody fights through screens, they switch everything. Hield will be sought and destroyed in the playoffs.

Disagree with Barnes. I think he's the biggest defensive liability among wing starters in the entire NBA.

[youngcrev]

I'd take a quality primary, off the dribble option over Hield (Jrue, Dinwiddie, CP3), but I still think he'd be very helpful to the team. We've seen the team run at a high level with Jo/Ben/JJ. Might translate better in the playoffs with a more athletic, more prolific scorer in the JJ role. I don't think he's sinking your defense if put on the opposing teams worst perimeter threat.

Barnes is just a guy. Low-end starter that won't kill you on either end. Wouldn't be interested due to that salary.

Buddy is a loser, though. If he was strong as Redick was from the neck-up, maybe he could help us. I just don't see it.

Also, there's no hiding defenders on the worst perimeter threat. Nobody fights through screens, they switch everything. Hield will be sought and destroyed in the playoffs.

Disagree with Barnes. I think he's the biggest defensive liability among wing starters in the entire NBA.

Weren't you just saying the opposite about Rozier?

There's no rule that you have to switch.

I'm not really sure what makes you say Buddy is a loser. Particularly with your previous affinity for LaVine. He's not a franchise player or an offensive hub, but he's one of the best shooters in the league and is capable of getting his shots up in volume. I think he'd be a quality supplementary piece to Embiid and Simmons as a guy that play off of them and give them room to work.

Not sure where you're coming from with the Barnes stuff.

[Kobblehead]

Weren't you just saying the opposite about Rozier?

There's no rule that you have to switch.

I'm not really sure what makes you say Buddy is a loser. Particularly with your previous affinity for LaVine. He's not a franchise player or an offensive hub, but he's one of the best shooters in the league and is capable of getting his shots up in volume. I think he'd be a quality supplementary piece to Embiid and Simmons as a guy that play off of them and give them room to work.

Not sure where you're coming from with the Barnes stuff.

No. Terry is inconsistent, but he's more than capable of defending the point of attack when he's locked in. He was a defensive beast coming out of Louisville and has be a strong defender at times throughout his NBA career. Again, he's just been inconsistent.

Almost every defensive scheme switches everything these days. That's probably not changing. Players got tired of getting banged up fighting through screens.

Regarding Lavine, I've repeatedly said I'd make concessions for shotcreators. Buddy Hield is not a shotcreator. Not sure why'd he'd even be referenced in conjunction with Lavine. Also, Zach has been d'ing up this year. Most of the perimeter guys on the Bulls have been playing strong defense this year. There's a reason why they've been a top half of the league defense.

Harrison Barnes was always a defensive liability. Not sure why this is a confusing take. This Kings run, though, has been the cream de la cream of trash defense.

[Olabikkel]

Dont think d. Murray is realistic target after san antonio just extended him for 4 Years (also think b. Hield is too expensive trade wise, although i like his 3 point shooting/spacing).

Maybe a more realistic target of san antonio with playmaking abilities (thought of it because of bleacherreport): derrick white. Ok defender/perimeter defense player with playmaking abilities.
Not so good as C. Paul but way cheaper to acquire (and salary). Not so high ceiling offensive as rozier probably.

Possible trade
White & gay or Mills for jrich and korkmaz
Or
White, lyles and 1 of Walker/samancic/johnson for jrich (and 2 rnd pick phi 2020).

[Kobblehead]

Regarding Buddy being a loser.

Just recount the last calendar year of his behavior.

Threats and ultimatums before the extension.
Piss poor defense and bad attitude gets him benched.
More complaining and bad behavior after that.

Bad defense, barely moves the ball, no discernible creating abilities, bad attitude. Qualities of a loser.

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, Derrick White is in that Josh Hart group of pretty nice bench pieces that can be useful in a playoff rotation.

[youngcrev]

Weren't you just saying the opposite about Rozier?

There's no rule that you have to switch.

I'm not really sure what makes you say Buddy is a loser. Particularly with your previous affinity for LaVine. He's not a franchise player or an offensive hub, but he's one of the best shooters in the league and is capable of getting his shots up in volume. I think he'd be a quality supplementary piece to Embiid and Simmons as a guy that play off of them and give them room to work.

Not sure where you're coming from with the Barnes stuff.

No. Terry is inconsistent, but he's more than capable of defending the point of attack when he's locked in. He was a defensive beast coming out of Louisville and has be a strong defender at times throughout his NBA career. Again, he's just been inconsistent.

Almost every defensive scheme switches everything these days. That's probably not changing. Players got tired of getting banged up fighting through screens.

Regarding Lavine, I've repeatedly said I'd make concessions for shotcreators. Buddy Hield is not a shotcreator. Not sure why'd he'd even be referenced in conjunction with Lavine. Also, Zach has been d'ing up this year. Most of the perimeter guys on the Bulls have been playing strong defense this year. There's a reason why they've been a top half of the league defense.

Harrison Barnes was always a defensive liability. Not sure why this is a confusing take. This Kings run, though, has been the cream de la cream of trash defense.

He can be a good point of attack defender and still be an undersized switch target. If your switching everything, he's certainly a liability against the LeBron and Kawhi's of the world, which is where I presume your concern would be with Hield.

[Kobblehead]

Only in the post. Ball handlers don't like putting the ball on the floor in front of good defenders, regardless of size.

And if you're running screens to get a small player off the ball so you can bring him down to the post and then call for it, you better be a damn good iso post scorer and you better be good at anticipating help defenders from your blind spots (how many modern NBA players are good at both of those things?).

[76ciology]

I think offense has been what has snake bitten them in the playoffs moreso than the defense.

Playing terrible defensive players such high volume minutes sure didn't help matters.

But yeah, you could say our lack of scoring off the dribble has been our biggest playoff detriment.

But again, neither Hield or Barnes help with that.

I'd take a quality primary, off the dribble option over Hield (Jrue, Dinwiddie, CP3), but I still think he'd be very helpful to the team. We've seen the team run at a high level with Jo/Ben/JJ. Might translate better in the playoffs with a more athletic, more prolific scorer in the JJ role. I don't think he's sinking your defense if put on the opposing teams worst perimeter threat.

Barnes is just a guy. Low-end starter that won't kill you on either end. Wouldn't be interested due to that salary.

I agree on this one.

If you look at it, our FO is also moving in this direction in finding a “JJ Redick” 2.0, i think Milton has the highest chance now. Other potential candidates are Furkan and Burks.

[76ciology]

I think the disconnect is that Brown wants a Spurs like team where everyone can drive and dish. But what we’re dealt with is a team like the Clips, where there’s 1-2 ball dominant guys who’s just going to kick it to the open shooter to score. The problem was Ben and Biid aren’t good enough to play that role.

A good team really to compare to ours is the Lakers, who plays a lot similar to ours. The difference with the Lakers is Bron and AD are superstars who can carry the team’s offense.

To be the champions, we have to be better than the Lakers. To be better than the Lakers, Ben and Biid needs to be near as strong as scorers as Bron and AD. Then we have our more talented supporting cast pull us away from the competition.

Right now, we are relying a lot from guys like Josh Rich, Tobi and Al. This is why were struggling.

[76ciology]

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I think the disconnect is that Brown wants a Spurs like team where everyone can drive and dish. But what we’re dealt with is a team like the Clips, where there’s 1-2 ball dominant guys who’s just going to kick it to the open shooter to score. The problem was Ben and Biid aren’t good enough to play that role.

A good team really to compare to ours is the Lakers, who plays a lot similar to ours. The difference with the Lakers is Bron and AD are superstars who can carry the team’s offense.

To be the champions, we have to be better than the Lakers. To be better than the Lakers, Ben and Biid needs to be near as strong as scorers as Bron and AD. Then we have our more talented supporting cast pull us away from the competition.

Right now, we are relying a lot from guys like Josh Rich, Tobi and Al. This is why were struggling.

I think as Ben and Biid develops we should taper off the talent surrounding them into cheaper ones (like how the lakers’ third best player is kuzma) and similarly to how we transitioned from JJ to Milton and Butler to Burks.

But right now, the responsibility is really on Biid and Ben than the guys surrounding them. That is why I doubt we will go after guys like CJ or Hield.

[ankle420breaker]

Something to consider, with Micic potentially coming to the NBA next year its possible he could be thrown into trade scenarios as a sweetener.

His value has to be limited, but GMs enjoy selling untapped potential to their casual fan base. Makes it seem as though they pulled another asset out of the deal even though 99% of the time ends up being fruitless.

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[Kobblehead]

I agree on this one.

If you look at it, our FO is also moving in this direction in finding a “JJ Redick” 2.0, i think Milton has the highest chance now. Other potential candidates are Furkan and Burks.

Seems to me that the FO is actively seeking defensive viability from the SG position, post-Redick. Which is why they were so bullish on the Richardson acquisition and trading up for Thybulle. I doubt they view Korkmaz/Milton as anything more than temporary musings.

[Kobblehead]

Something to consider, with Micic potentially coming to the NBA next year its possible he could be thrown into trade scenarios as a sweetener.

His value has to be limited, but GMs enjoy selling untapped potential to their casual fan base. Makes it seem as though they pulled another asset out of the deal even though 99% of the time ends up being fruitless.

I agree that Micic could have incredible appeal to a trading team.

He's a huge, experienced PG that runs an offense well. And with 95% of the league overrating shooting this much, he could quickly become a hot commodity.

[Kobblehead]

I think the disconnect is that Brown wants a Spurs like team where everyone can drive and dish.

Are we sure about that? Most of his acquisitions can't dribble.

I think what Brett really wants is a European soccer/futbol styled team that laterally passes the ball back and forth, manipulating defensive movement, trying to find openings.

[Kobblehead]

Rookie contract supporting pieces I like:

- Mikal Bridges
- Josh Okogie
- Troy Brown

If we could dangle Micic to get a guy like this, I'd be happy. Otherwise, I guess having him as a sweetner in a bigger deal makes sense.

[youngcrev]

I can't believe I didn't think to include Micic in any Sacramento deals. Vlade'd be a sure to overvalue him.

I'd be somewhat intrigued with Micic on the Sixers as the backup PG. Someone that can methodically run the PnR, pass and shoot would certainly fill a need. Just not sure how well he'd translate, and I'm assuming he'd be a defensive liability.

I don't think they can afford to use their MLE on a question mark though.