Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[FireMorey]

And yes people will counter with "They won't be able to sign any stars" but again, that cap room can be used for other things. To facilitate trades and load up on draft capital.

I have a lack of imagination. Could you give me an example of what that might look like in practice? Make as many assumptions as you'd like.

Basically like the Thunder have been doing for years. Taking on bad contracts that teams are more desperate than ever to get rid of because of the new CBA, and getting back first round picks for it.

So kinda like the Al Horford trade the Sixers made to the Thunder. Except this time the Sixers take on the bad contract instead of giving it away.

[Stanford]

Basically like the Thunder have been doing for years. Taking on bad contracts that teams are more desperate than ever to get rid of because of the new CBA, and getting back first round picks for it.

So kinda like the Al Horford trade the Sixers made to the Thunder. Except this time the Sixers take on the bad contract instead of giving it away.

This is a terrible plan. I'm way out if this is what's to come.

The Thunder could do this because they were tanking and didn't care about their cap position. I have zero interest in punting a year so that we can get a pick in exchange for bad, long-term money.

If that's what they're doing, they may as well take a bad contract (Norm Powell) and a pick from the Clippers now and get it over with. And do the same with Tobias.

[FireMorey]

Basically like the Thunder have been doing for years. Taking on bad contracts that teams are more desperate than ever to get rid of because of the new CBA, and getting back first round picks for it.

So kinda like the Al Horford trade the Sixers made to the Thunder. Except this time the Sixers take on the bad contract instead of giving it away.

This is a terrible plan. I'm way out if this is what's to come.

I don't think this is THE plan. It seems like a fluid situation that will be based on a variety of factors and outcomes. I think it is a pivot if they can't sign a star outright. He clearly wants a co superstar to pair with Embiid. If they can't sign one, the only way to get one is to trade for one. And they can't trade for one without draft capital. The best way to get draft capital is to take on bad contracts.

Taking on bad contracts isn't ideal, but if you can't sign stars and you don't have any picks, this is a necessary evil to find your way out of the mess they've created.

Could we be seeing a return of Ben Simmons next summer for some juicy unprotected Brooklyn picks in return???

Possibly Rudy Gobert?

[Stanford]

Taking on bad contracts isn't ideal, but if you can't sign stars and you don't have any picks, this is a necessary evil to find your way out of the mess they've created.

Taking on bad contracts creates new mess!

Could we be seeing a return of Ben Simmons next summer for some juicy unprotected Brooklyn picks in return??? Possibly Rudy Gobert?

Kill me

[eyeatoma]

Sounds like Morey's thinking is that due to the new CBA, teams won't be giving their own free agents the max contract or they will make other players on big contracts available in trade.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Yup, I think we're getting Jaylen Brown.

[Stanford]

This board is going to hit an all depressive low when Brown signs an extension with Boston.

[FireMorey]

Taking on bad contracts isn't ideal, but if you can't sign stars and you don't have any picks, this is a necessary evil to find your way out of the mess they've created.

Taking on bad contracts creates new mess!

Could we be seeing a return of Ben Simmons next summer for some juicy unprotected Brooklyn picks in return??? Possibly Rudy Gobert?

Kill me

It does, but I don't see any other options. If they can't sign stars and don't have the picks to trade for one, then this whole thing is basically going to become a yearly role player swap every summer until Embiid is 35(if he's still here by then).

I don't see any other means of getting a star other than these two options. You hope that if they take on a bad contract, it's at least someone who can contribute and is just way overpaid, so it's less of a burden, and you are willing to bite the bullet if the end result is getting a true star with the picks you got from these trades.

[Stanford]

if the end result is getting a true star with the picks you got from these trades.

Pipe dream imo. I don't see any player demanding a trade to Philadelphia. That's the only way these kinds of trades happen.

I think they have better odds trying to acquire a young non-star and developing him into one than they do acquiring one by trade.

[SixthStreet]

Translation: Step up your offers for Harden and Tobias. But I also don't think he's bluffing. He'll keep fat boy and assassin if he doesn't get suitable compensation.

[FireMorey]

if the end result is getting a true star with the picks you got from these trades.

Pipe dream imo. I don't see any player demanding a trade to Philadelphia. That's the only way these kinds of trades happen.

I think they have better odds trying to acquire a young non-star and developing him into one than they do acquiring one by trade.

I think they'd be fine with that too, but I think it's less likely a young non-star with the potential to become one would get traded or ask to be traded.

They aren't in a good spot, it's a series of options that aren't ideal and picking the least sucky one.

[Stanford]

They aren't in a good spot.

We agree on this. You seemed optimistic about the cap space plan so I was hoping you had something better in mind to do with it than taking on Al Horford for a first.

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[FireMorey]

They aren't in a good spot.

We agree on this. You seemed optimistic about the cap space plan so I was hoping you had something better in mind to do with it than taking on Al Horford for a first.

Well I think plan a would be just to sign one. Cross your fingers that works. Kawhi has a player option, he could be a free agent next summer.

[Mik317]

just gotta hope Maxey takes another leap. Biid realizes that being a giant Kobe clone doesn't work. Nurse can cook up some war crimes. And whatever scraps we get for Harden has some unforeseen upside.

Still probably will bungle to 45+ wins, get our hopes up after beating some mid in the 1st round and then get brought back to hell after the second round loss.

[Black Mage]

A friend and I were talking and we landed upon this scenario after Morey's recent comments, and spoiler neither of us were completely against it.

Stealth tank 1 year. Joel gets a knee strain and basically they shut him down a year. They keep fat suit Harden who pouts his way through the season. Maxey is given the keys to the team for a year and allowed to experiment and grow as a lead guard. Sixers actually own their pick next year. Draft class isn't seen as great, but is deep at wing.

Plan: Tank the year, save a year of grind on Embiid, let Maxey grow, score a lottery pick and open up massive amounts of cap space while the rest of the league is in limbo with the new CBA rules. Letting Maxey cook for a year also could help the team see if he's worthy of a max extension.

Considering the alternatives we're facing, I'm really coming around on this move. For context, David Robinson was about 30 years old when Spurs tanked for Duncan. Robinson won a ring 2 years later.

[Iverson Armband]

Oh wow… in that recent interview Morey basically flat said they pushed for Haliburton but he wasn’t on the table in a Simmons deal. Glad we can finally put that to rest.

[ProcessDoctor]

I think Morey is pushing for either Kawhi or PG13. "Two-way wing who can play on or off the ball."


Harden/Harris for George/Powell/Covington. Honestly the most organic trade for both teams.


Maxey/Melton/Beverley
Powell/Springer/Korkmaz
George/Tucker/House
Covington/Reed/Petrusev
Embiid/Bamba/Harrell

[Embiid P]

Oh wow… in that recent interview Morey basically flat said they pushed for Haliburton but he wasn’t on the table in a Simmons deal. Glad we can finally put that to rest.

Link please?

[Embiid P]

if the end result is getting a true star with the picks you got from these trades.

Pipe dream imo. I don't see any player demanding a trade to Philadelphia. That's the only way these kinds of trades happen.

I think they have better odds trying to acquire a young non-star and developing him into one than they do acquiring one by trade.

Personally at this point I'd rather have bad contracts with assets than cap space with no assets which is currently where we are. Much of that space is likely going towards extending Maxey anyways.

[mjkvol]

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Our future ring after we trade the MVP.

Off the topic, but I'll bet the rings for winning that mid season tournament will be even more embarrassing.