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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#361 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 7, 2023 5:25 pm

Kyle Kuzma was the third option for that Lakers squad that won in the bubble.

In the 1998 Bulls championship squad, it’s Toni Kukoc.

MPJ averaged 9ppg on 32.8FG%, 14% on 3 as third option for the Nuggets squad during the NBA finals which they won because their top player showed the league who’s the real MVP

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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#362 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 7, 2023 5:29 pm

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Doramas wrote:Hello, greetings to all Sixers fans. I'm a guy from Gran Canaria, Spain, Europe, 76ers fan since I was a kid when I was Dr.J and the great Moses.

Talking about the current Sixers, for me, the players I would like Morey to sign are:

Option A: Mikal Bridges
Option B: Cam Thomas
Option C: OG Anunoby


Im not this guy



Don't you think they are good enough?

I especially think Mikal Bridges is a fantastic two-way player. Elite in defence, and he's improved a lot in attack.


PS. I apologise in advance if my English is not good enough.


It’s OK. English is also not my primary language. Come post here more often so you can improve on your english I do.

I’d like to hear what you can say about Cam Thomas. He’s currently averaging 28ppg 4rpg and 2apg on just 4.5 TO%
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#363 » by Doramas » Tue Nov 7, 2023 5:47 pm

76ciology wrote:
Doramas wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Im not this guy



Don't you think they are good enough?

I especially think Mikal Bridges is a fantastic two-way player. Elite in defence, and he's improved a lot in attack.


PS. I apologise in advance if my English is not good enough.


It’s OK. English is also not my primary language. Come post here more often so you can improve on your english I do.

I’d like to hear what you can say about Cam Thomas. He’s currently averaging 28ppg 4rpg and 2apg on just 4.5 TO%


Cam Thomas is paid $2.240M this year and $4.041M for the 2024-25 season. For a player averaging 25+ pts, that seems like a bargain to me. He's not a great defender, but two 3-D wings (Anunoby + another) plus Embiid could work.

Another player who could help as a role player coming off the bench is PJ Washington.
What do you think of PJ Washington?
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Post#364 » by SixersSince82 » Tue Nov 7, 2023 6:27 pm

Doramas wrote:Hello, greetings to all Sixers fans. I'm a guy from Gran Canaria, Spain, Europe, 76ers fan since I was a kid when I was Dr.J and the great Moses.

Talking about the current Sixers, for me, the players I would like Morey to sign are:

Option A: Mikal Bridges
Option B: Cam Thomas
Option C: OG Anunoby


I like this list a lot.

That said, I dont understand why so many people think the Nets don't see Cam Thomas in their long term plans.
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Post#365 » by Murray_17 » Tue Nov 7, 2023 6:49 pm

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That said, I dont understand why so many people think the Nets don't see Cam Thomas in their long term plans.



If you ask me, his USG (he's 9th in the entire league right now) doesn't make sense for a guard with so few assists and that bad on defense. He's taking 7 3s a game and he's barely an above-average shooter, i just don't think his scoring is sustainable once teams start forcing him to take 3s.

Players like Doncic or Young with similar profiles as scorers, are also great hubs as creators so you can live with those shots because they have to start the offense each possession and need to take the shots, sometime, so they can give themselves more flexibility.

Someone is gonna give Thomas a bad contract and the Nets would be wise to not be that team
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Post#366 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Nov 7, 2023 7:53 pm

Cam Thomas is a classic good stats, bad team player.

Cleaning the Glass on/off stats:

54th percentile net differential - a very slight positive
78th percentile offense - driven by lower TO% & higher FT rate (read - chuckers gonna chuck)
24th percentile on defense - all the defensive metrics are awful

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4932/onoff#tab-team_efficiency
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#367 » by Black Mage » Tue Nov 7, 2023 7:59 pm

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FlyingArrow wrote:What's the conventional wisdom on Luka? Will he want to leave Dallas, and if so can we get him?


I don't think he ever leaves Dallas at all. I'm going to call it and say that he plays his entire career there.


He's got future Laker written all over him.
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Post#368 » by Black Mage » Tue Nov 7, 2023 8:02 pm

Kobblehead wrote:OG and Jerami Grant are the only guys that make sense to me.

Maxey is your G, so wipe all the other G targets off the board.


Hard pass on Grant. He's overrated and getting paid too much.

Despite being 2 inches shorter, Oubre basically gives you everything grant does. Grant's defense hasn't been what it used to be; he's living off of the past.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#369 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue Nov 7, 2023 8:47 pm

Morris, House, 2026 PHI 1st (unp), 2028 LAC 1st (unp), 2028 PHI 1st swap (unp), 2029 PHI 1st (unp) for Mikal Bridges.


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/Korkmaz
Batum/Oubre/Smith
Harris/Covington/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba


We would still have money/option to sign OG and retain one of Tobias/Oubre for the full MLE this summer.
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Post#370 » by Negrodamus » Tue Nov 7, 2023 8:51 pm

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Post#371 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Nov 7, 2023 9:04 pm

PJ was at the party with the “Daryl Morey is a liar” sign lmao

I swear reporters would let NBA players get away with murder for a good quote
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Post#372 » by Stanford » Tue Nov 7, 2023 9:10 pm

There has been an attempted pity party for and by traded players recently. PJ is just joining the party.
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Post#373 » by Murray_17 » Tue Nov 7, 2023 9:16 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:Cam Thomas is a classic good stats, bad team player.

Cleaning the Glass on/off stats:

54th percentile net differential - a very slight positive
78th percentile offense - driven by lower TO% & higher FT rate (read - chuckers gonna chuck)
24th percentile on defense - all the defensive metrics are awful

https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4932/onoff#tab-team_efficiency



I mean Maxey has a worse percentile there.

I think the issues this show are how mediocre his PSA is and that his USG-to-assists ratio puts him at 2th percentile, literally the bottom of the league.
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Post#374 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Nov 7, 2023 9:18 pm

Murray_17 wrote:I mean Maxey has a worse percentile there.

I think the issues this show are how mediocre his PSA is and that his USG-to-assists ratio puts him at 2th percentile, literally the bottom of the league.


Oh, I’m definitely abusing a small sample size to make my point lol. Right now Embiid is 20th percentile on defense so clearly the numbers are functionally useless at this point.
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Post#375 » by Skates » Tue Nov 7, 2023 10:13 pm

Negrodamus wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/273603/PJ-Tucker-Wasnt-Expecting-To-Be-Traded

Come on now, PJ. You can't be that naive.


And I was surprised that we would sign him for that much and that long at his age and lose a draft pick in the process. Surprises can be unpleasant for us all PJ, lol.
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Post#376 » by mjkvol » Tue Nov 7, 2023 10:39 pm

Arsenal wrote:
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SixthStreet wrote:That Suns scrub wing Diop made Maxey look silly with a block the last game and I don't seem him doing anything against say Jaylen Brown in a second round playoff series.

I don't think it's being anti-Maxey to say he has a ceiling short of the second best player on a Embiid-led champion. I still love him.


This is why getting the best "3rd guy" is so important. Joel is about 75% of himself once the playoffs start, I agree length will bother Maxey... so who's that 3rd guy that can really take advantage once the good defensive teams have made their adjustments against Jo and Tyrese?


Who was the 3rd guy on Denver last year? Aaron Gordon or Michael Porter.
On the Warriors the year before? Jordan Poole or Andrew Wiggins

This talk of needing a 3rd guy is overblown. For all his issues Tobias Harris is just as good as any of the guys I just mentioned.

The real key was those teams ran a modern motion offense where everyone shares the ball, cuts, and finds the open man, instead of non-stop stagnant ISO-ball as we did under Glenn.

Now the new coach has put in a similar offense, which should lead to everyone being more effective come playoff time.


You nailed it. The difference between the way this group plays in Nurse's motion offense vs. the dreary, predictable ISO offense of Glenn is immeasurable, and will show itself even more in games where the court shrinks. There's no way to properly judge this team until we see a few games against quality competition, and test #1 is tomorrow night.

You and I have also always agreed on this tiered "star" thing that everyone is obsessed with. Rather than a 3rd "star", I'd prefer we pursue solid role players that fit the system, much like they have done in Denver. Build an 8-9 deep roster with various scoring options that can go that deep in the playoffs, and it mitigates the need for a "3rd star".
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Post#377 » by mjkvol » Tue Nov 7, 2023 10:42 pm

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That said, I dont understand why so many people think the Nets don't see Cam Thomas in their long term plans.



If you ask me, his USG (he's 9th in the entire league right now) doesn't make sense for a guard with so few assists and that bad on defense. He's taking 7 3s a game and he's barely an above-average shooter, i just don't think his scoring is sustainable once teams start forcing him to take 3s.

Players like Doncic or Young with similar profiles as scorers, are also great hubs as creators so you can live with those shots because they have to start the offense each possession and need to take the shots, sometime, so they can give themselves more flexibility.

Someone is gonna give Thomas a bad contract and the Nets would be wise to not be that team


Wouldn't surprise me if he is a pump-and-dump candidate as we speak. If the Nets are smart, that is.
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Post#378 » by Eyeamok » Tue Nov 7, 2023 10:47 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Morris, House, 2026 PHI 1st (unp), 2028 LAC 1st (unp), 2028 PHI 1st swap (unp), 2029 PHI 1st (unp) for Mikal Bridges.


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/Korkmaz
Batum/Oubre/Smith
Harris/Covington/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba


We would still have money/option to sign OG and retain one of Tobias/Oubre for the full MLE this summer.


i've always said I can't blame coach Brown for drafting and then trading Bridges. He was in over his head, thanks to collars and Adam Silver. But that trade right there is a monster trade which would make my blood boil. I'm not saying it should not be done but damn.
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Post#379 » by mjkvol » Tue Nov 7, 2023 10:56 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Morris, House, 2026 PHI 1st (unp), 2028 LAC 1st (unp), 2028 PHI 1st swap (unp), 2029 PHI 1st (unp) for Mikal Bridges.


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/Korkmaz
Batum/Oubre/Smith
Harris/Covington/Martin
Embiid/Reed/Bamba


We would still have money/option to sign OG and retain one of Tobias/Oubre for the full MLE this summer.


i've always said I can't blame coach Brown for drafting and then trading Bridges. He was in over his head, thanks to collars and Adam Silver. But that trade right there is a monster trade which would make my blood boil. I'm not saying it should not be done but damn.


I love Mikal, but I agree. Not about not blaming Brown for that hideous trade, though. Biggest unforced error of the post-Process period IMO, along with bringing Glenn in here.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#380 » by Arsenal » Tue Nov 7, 2023 11:09 pm

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This is why getting the best "3rd guy" is so important. Joel is about 75% of himself once the playoffs start, I agree length will bother Maxey... so who's that 3rd guy that can really take advantage once the good defensive teams have made their adjustments against Jo and Tyrese?


Who was the 3rd guy on Denver last year? Aaron Gordon or Michael Porter.
On the Warriors the year before? Jordan Poole or Andrew Wiggins

This talk of needing a 3rd guy is overblown. For all his issues Tobias Harris is just as good as any of the guys I just mentioned.

The real key was those teams ran a modern motion offense where everyone shares the ball, cuts, and finds the open man, instead of non-stop stagnant ISO-ball as we did under Glenn.

Now the new coach has put in a similar offense, which should lead to everyone being more effective come playoff time.


You nailed it. The difference between the way this group plays in Nurse's motion offense vs. the dreary, predictable ISO offense of Glenn is immeasurable, and will show itself even more in games where the court shrinks. There's no way to properly judge this team until we see a few games against quality competition, and test #1 is tomorrow night.

You and I have also always agreed on this tiered "star" thing that everyone is obsessed with. Rather than a 3rd "star", I'd prefer we pursue solid role players that fit the system, much like they have done in Denver. Build an 8-9 deep roster with various scoring options that can go that deep in the playoffs, and it mitigates the need for a "3rd star".


Right. Plus I can't believe people are making me defend Assassin as I've been one of his biggest detractors. But that was because of his contract... which has now become a sunk cost.

If he resigns at the right price, he's a valuable player and a more than capable 3rd offensive option in a modern, motion offense like we FINALLY have now.

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