Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[GoSixersBro]

I will back FireMorey and say there were many on this forum against signing 29 year old Butler and some who talked themselves into "bully ball" feat. Al Horford by training camp 2019, but that's just sports fan copium so no surprise.

I just don't see how this is connected to Hinkie, unless you attribute anything past May 2016 as blame to Sam, which is Marcus Hayes room temp IQ analysis.

[Mik317]

Colangelo's moves in retrospect were safe moves at the time but it was the other smaller stuff that also **** us.. Ben and Fultz not turning out were something with the information at the time you couldn't really know; yes Ben being a diva at LSU was warning signs and Fultz allegedly having a WOAT workout as well...but people banging the table for Tatum (who sans Negro everyone had Josh Jackson over) and Brown (who is a big outlier development story) is pure revisionist history. He should still get raked over the coals for it because GMs should know more than us average joes but still. It was the constant disregard for the margin moves that really sank us. Picknet Baskets, TLC, Kork, and the other scrubs taken with all of the other picks we had ended up adding up and left us with nothing to really make any trades better...at the time it was waved away as who cares we have so and so. Boston got steals due to having young players and picks to still move...we have **** all and actually owe picks due to either cleaning up past messes or new ones.

Thats where the best GMs shine...i worry that Morey is too narrow minded in his approach but I am willing to see his plan in action first before going full emo on it.

[FireMorey]

I will back FireMorey and say there were many on this forum against signing 29 year old Butler and some who talked themselves into "bully ball" feat. Al Horford by training camp 2019, but that's just sports fan copium so no surprise.

I just don't see how this is connected to Hinkie, unless you attribute anything past May 2016 as blame to Sam, which is Marcus Hayes room temp IQ analysis.

The majority of Sixers fans were still on board at that point and approved of the Butler, Tobias, Horford moves. I remember like it was yesterday because juxtaposed how upset I was with the moves. I remember reading social media all summer about how excited everyone was for that season and everyone thought the Sixers finally compiled a championship roster. I remember listening to sports radio and hearing caller after caller and host about how excited everyone was. Every poll that I saw on social media had at least a 75% approval rating for those moves. Some with thousands of votes.

Very few people gave up hope after Hinkie left. And the ones who did, anecdotally from what I'm gathering, are actually more optimistic about the Sixers now than the ones who gave up hope after 2021.

[Negrodamus]

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[the_process]

I will back FireMorey and say there were many on this forum against signing 29 year old Butler and some who talked themselves into "bully ball" feat. Al Horford by training camp 2019, but that's just sports fan copium so no surprise.

I just don't see how this is connected to Hinkie, unless you attribute anything past May 2016 as blame to Sam, which is Marcus Hayes room temp IQ analysis.

The majority of Sixers fans were still on board at that point and approved of the Butler, Tobias, Horford moves. I remember like it was yesterday because juxtaposed how upset I was with the moves. I remember reading social media all summer about how excited everyone was for that season and everyone thought the Sixers finally compiled a championship roster. I remember listening to sports radio and hearing caller after caller and host about how excited everyone was. Every poll that I saw on social media had at least a 75% approval rating for those moves. Some with thousands of votes.

Very few people gave up hope after Hinkie left. And the ones who did, anecdotally from what I'm gathering, are actually more optimistic about the Sixers now than the ones who gave up hope after 2021.

The Tobias trade and subsequent re-signing was the WOAT and should give pause to all those who overanalyze stats.

[ProcessDoctor]

Is Miles + Murray too much dog? Or if you’re going Miles, do you try and snag Klay instead?

Maxey
Klay
Miles
Toppin
Embiid

Round out with our picks, MLE, and vet mins.

[the_process]

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Who is Miles Bridges' agent? That's the obvious source of this.

A summer of being used for leverage by every player in the league will be just as fun as constantly listening about the Celtics.

Even on a vet min, just say no Daryl.

[Negrodamus]

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Who is Miles Bridges' agent? That's the obvious source of this.

A summer of being used for leverage by every player in the league will be just as fun as constantly listening about the Celtics.

Even on a vet min, just say no Daryl.

Klutch, which fans the flames of LeBron coming here too, imo.

[ProcessDoctor]

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Who is Miles Bridges' agent? That's the obvious source of this.

A summer of being used for leverage by every player in the league will be just as fun as constantly listening about the Celtics.

Even on a vet min, just say no Daryl.

Klutch, which fans the flames of LeBron coming here too, imo.

Not saying you’re wrong, but how so?

[Negrodamus]

Who is Miles Bridges' agent? That's the obvious source of this.

A summer of being used for leverage by every player in the league will be just as fun as constantly listening about the Celtics.

Even on a vet min, just say no Daryl.

Klutch, which fans the flames of LeBron coming here too, imo.

Not saying you’re wrong, but how so?

All of this is a conspiracy I have constructed in my head, so feel free to completely ignore me.

I think we’d sign LeBron for a cap friendly contract with Messi-like incentives outside of the team structure. Not sure if the Sixers are able to offer the same, but I know Messi has some piece of the Inter Miami ownership pie. If LeBron comes on a friendly contract, that allows us to make a competitive offer to LeBron’s buddy’s client, Miles Bridges, thus giving him a stacked team to compete for 2 years (or however long he wants to play).

[Negrodamus]

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[eyeatoma]

Good, sometimes a deal with the devil needs to be made...

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[Stanford]

The process ended in 2016. There was no process after that. There was no Kool-Aid. Whether any given person was optimistic about the team after that was independent of the process.

By that point the Sixers organization had already made a billion mistakes and they still clung to the idea that the Sixers and the process was destined toward a title.

Let's see how many of these mistakes had anything to do with the process.

Lest you forget how many people thought the Sixers with Horford would win a title?

Nothing to do with the process. Hinkie didn't sign Horford. Wasn't a result of the process.

I remember seeing people here, social media, Reddit all in on the Butler trade

Nothing to do with the process. Hinkie didn't trade for Butler or trade him away. Wasn't a process player.

"They said "Tobias will be able to turn into a #1 option!"

Nothing to do with the process. Hinkie didn't trade for or give a contract to Tobias. Not a process player.

coincided with the Ben truthing falling apart

Nothing to do with the process. Hinkie didn't draft Ben. Not a process player.

Almost all of the worst Sixers process era decisions were done pre-Morey

Weird because all the process era decisions you listed were made after the process.

[Tony Franciosa]

letting players use us to "test the market" only to sign back with their original team is not a strategy. Morey needs to be convincing and firm and get things done, not let it linger while we get played.

[Sixersftw]

Maybe this team picking up Bridges would finally break my Sixers induced Stockholm syndrome and I can be free.

[FireMorey]

You're nitpicking semantics. For one, there is no official end of the process. The process in itself isn't even a real thing. It's just a made up term people have adopted in meme form to describe the path of tanking and building the team. When that officially ends is completely arbitrary. You have your opinion on that, but it is no more correct or official than anyone else's. Me personally, I consider everything through at least the Butler trade(for Butler) all part of the process.

Secondly, squabbling over what constitutes "the process" is the least important and relevant part of any of this. Call them whatever you want. Process truthers, Sixers homers, blind loyalists and the premise remains exactly the same. The fact of the matter is those people, however you want to categorize them, fully bought into everything the Sixers did as an organization, no matter what it was, until game 7 vs Atlanta. And those very same people, who bought whatever this horrid organization shoveled down their gullet, have now become ironically(in my opinion) the most cynical faction of Sixers fans. Even more cynical than the small segment of fans who bailed after Hinkie was ousted in my estimation.

[Mik317]

making our current status a referendum on the process is nuts because most of our current issues have come from the FO/Ownership desperately rushing things to get away from said process. Like even the moves that worked like signing Jimmy came due to the team getting off to a slowish start that season. Just a bunch of short sighted moves after the next because they listened to the loud voices who wanted results asap. Many of the loud voices would have blown up the Celtics core years ago lol.

the I need it right now nature of this city's fanbases is something else and the Sixers FO were the only ones to listen to it and here we are and the same voices can't look inward so they continue to blame "the process".

[Negrodamus]

I don't even want to win a championship, I just want to raise a banner and throw a parade for all those who didn't get bamboozled by The Process and stopped following the Sixers until they started making winning moves.

[the_process]

You're nitpicking semantics. For one, there is no official end of the process. The process in itself isn't even a real thing. It's just a made up term people have adopted in meme form to describe the path of tanking and building the team. When that officially ends is completely arbitrary. You have your opinion on that, but it is no more correct or official than anyone else's. Me personally, I consider everything through at least the Butler trade(for Butler) all part of the process.

Secondly, squabbling over what constitutes "the process" is the least important and relevant part of any of this. Call them whatever you want. Process truthers, Sixers homers, blind loyalists and the premise remains exactly the same. The fact of the matter is those people, however you want to categorize them, fully bought into everything the Sixers did as an organization, no matter what it was, until game 7 vs Atlanta. And those very same people, who bought whatever this horrid organization shoveled down their gullet, have now become ironically(in my opinion) the most cynical faction of Sixers fans. Even more cynical than the small segment of fans who bailed after Hinkie was ousted in my estimation.

It's not semantics. The Process was about Hinkie's team building ideas.

Once he was ousted, that was it. Everyone else pretty much ran away top speed from The Process.

Saying that BC was part of The Process is like saying Kobe was part of the Showtime Lakers.