If Okafor is traded for the 3rd pick, who do you want most?

[Sixerscan]

G Isaiah Thomas / Kris Dunn / Terry Rozier
G Avery Bradley / Marcus Smart / R.J. Hunter / James Young
F Jae Crowder
F Kelly Olynyk / Jonas Jerebko
C Amir Johnson / Jordan Mickey

FA: Jared Sullinger, Evan Turner, Tyler Zeller

Six first round picks in the backcourt, lol.

Is five first round picks (including 4 picks taken in the top 6 of the past four drafts) in the front court much better?

Sounds like two teams that should make a trade.

[Mik317]

If Okafor is traded for the third pick I'm done. Not going to watch BC destroy another team brick by brick.

BTW, Dunn/Murray/Hield/Brown all have more flaws to their game then Okafor but of course that never gets talked about because they are the next shiny thing.

Heck, Dunn and Hield are 2-3 years older.

There is simply not enough time for all of these guys to get minutes.

We have 3 centers. All of which need minutes to continue to grow. Embiid isn't ready for full time so he's probably about a 20 minutes a night guy. Noel, we need to find out what we have in him before paying him...or if we even want to. At forward with have Simmons. Probably Saric. Grant and Holmes and for small stretches Covington. All competing for minutes.

and then there is the "style" fit issues. Jah needs a slow it down, methodical half court system. The large bulk of our players aren't currently built for that and perhaps never will be.

Then there is the value issue. Noel's value lowers the more he plays and closer he gets to his extention. Embiid has **** all value. Saric could turn coat and stay in Europe if traded to somewhere he doesn't want to be. Hell, he should do that anyway if I was his agent. And we are selling him on loyalty and how much we want him here to get him over sooner...to turn around and trade him is just "bad optics". Jah has 3 more years left, is still rather young, not AS injury prone (I think his knee issues are general rookie wear and tear), and ironically due to our tanking could still have potential despite a lackluster season (in some regards).

SO yeah Okafor is probably a better player than Dunn and Hield. But not for us. This idea that we can just stockpile guys with no thought of cohesion is legit what got us here. It was probably the most legit knock against Hinkie. BPA is awesome and I even used it to advocate for Simmons over Ingram (I think he is a much easier fit than a methodical post up big so that changes things). but eventually, you end up holding many of your players back and stunting their growth..and eventual value. We do not have the leverage people would like to think we have. Teams with a glut of guys generally lose talent wise with trades. Most of the time, you are getting a lesser player or asset with the idea mainly being that while overall the guy(s) you got aren't better than the guy(s) you gave but overall the mix is better now.

A top 5 pick, weak draft or not, is probably the best we are going to get for one of our bigs. Everyone knows one has to go, Everyone knows one WILL go. So they aren't going to up the ante too much. Its like when teams trade guys prior to FA, because they know the alternative is worse than whatever package they settle for. The longer we keep the logjam, the worst our bigs will look, the less happy they are, and the lower their value gets (as they approach FA especially). This idea that Jah's value would remain the same as he struggles to get space with Simmons and Noel as two of his outlets, or Noel's value will somehow rise in a situation in which he is pulled from the rim to guard perimeter guys and his blocks suffer as a result. Or that we will basically give Simmons NO room to operate and Embiid gets scrap minutes to even see what he is. All because of "pride" and this lust to constantly body people in trades is counterproductive at the end of the day.

I am not saying just trade dudes for scraps. Hell I'm not even saying trade Okafor in particular...but someone has to go...and a top 5 pick isn't the worst return.

Luckily Boston doesn't have as much leverage either as they are rebuffed from getting all stars...but they could still just take Dunn..and then move Smart or Bradley for bigs.

[ET Da Gawd]

If Okafor is traded for the third pick I'm done. Not going to watch BC destroy another team brick by brick.

BTW, Dunn/Murray/Hield/Brown all have more flaws to their game then Okafor but of course that never gets talked about because they are the next shiny thing.

Heck, Dunn and Hield are 2-3 years older.

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[ET Da Gawd]

If Okafor is traded for the third pick I'm done. Not going to watch BC destroy another team brick by brick.

BTW, Dunn/Murray/Hield/Brown all have more flaws to their game then Okafor but of course that never gets talked about because they are the next shiny thing.

Heck, Dunn and Hield are 2-3 years older.

There is simply not enough time for all of these guys to get minutes.

We have 3 centers. All of which need minutes to continue to grow. Embiid isn't ready for full time so he's probably about a 20 minutes a night guy. Noel, we need to find out what we have in him before paying him...or if we even want to. At forward with have Simmons. Probably Saric. Grant and Holmes and for small stretches Covington. All competing for minutes.

and then there is the "style" fit issues. Jah needs a slow it down, methodical half court system. The large bulk of our players aren't currently built for that and perhaps never will be.

Then there is the value issue. Noel's value lowers the more he plays and closer he gets to his extention. Embiid has **** all value. Saric could turn coat and stay in Europe if traded to somewhere he doesn't want to be. Hell, he should do that anyway if I was his agent. And we are selling him on loyalty and how much we want him here to get him over sooner...to turn around and trade him is just "bad optics". Jah has 3 more years left, is still rather young, not AS injury prone (I think his knee issues are general rookie wear and tear), and ironically due to our tanking could still have potential despite a lackluster season (in some regards).

SO yeah Okafor is probably a better player than Dunn and Hield. But not for us. This idea that we can just stockpile guys with no thought of cohesion is legit what got us here. It was probably the most legit knock against Hinkie. BPA is awesome and I even used it to advocate for Simmons over Ingram (I think he is a much easier fit than a methodical post up big so that changes things). but eventually, you end up holding many of your players back and stunting their growth..and eventual value. We do not have the leverage people would like to think we have. Teams with a glut of guys generally lose talent wise with trades. Most of the time, you are getting a lesser player or asset with the idea mainly being that while overall the guy(s) you got aren't better than the guy(s) you gave but overall the mix is better now.

A top 5 pick, weak draft or not, is probably the best we are going to get for one of our bigs. Everyone knows one has to go, Everyone knows one WILL go. So they aren't going to up the ante too much. Its like when teams trade guys prior to FA, because they know the alternative is worse than whatever package they settle for. The longer we keep the logjam, the worst our bigs will look, the less happy they are, and the lower their value gets (as they approach FA especially). This idea that Jah's value would remain the same as he struggles to get space with Simmons and Noel as two of his outlets, or Noel's value will somehow rise in a situation in which he is pulled from the rim to guard perimeter guys and his blocks suffer as a result. Or that we will basically give Simmons NO room to operate and Embiid gets scrap minutes to even see what he is. All because of "pride" and this lust to constantly body people in trades is counterproductive at the end of the day.

I am not saying just trade dudes for scraps. Hell I'm not even saying trade Okafor in particular...but someone has to go...and a top 5 pick isn't the worst return.

Luckily Boston doesn't have as much leverage either as they are rebuffed from getting all stars...but they could still just take Dunn..and then move Smart or Bradley for bigs.

Makes no sense, everyone ain't playing 48min per game, bench has to play also. Noel should be bench relief for Okafor/Embiid.


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[Mik317]

I doubt Noel will be hyped about that. Unless you are still on the Jah can play the 4 train...and even then. That blocks time for Saric, Grant and most importantly Simmons. Clogs the paint even more. And forces guys away from their strengths.

One big needs to go. Or rather one Center. At this point I don't care who. As longterm both probably need to get moved...but that can wait until Embiid is cleared to full time play (probably won't happen for a while which favors keeping Jah actually as it will be cheaper insurance). But we cannot keep expecting to just keep everyone and expect the minutes crunch to work out. You go young in the name of getting guys minutes. Yeah no one plays 48 minutes a game but dudes aren't going to be happy with 24 minutes apeice either.

[marcush]

Lol at posters threatening to leave if Jah is traded. I mean, we are within sight of an Embiid & Simmons lineup.....

[PhilasFinest]

Lol at posters threatening to leave if Jah is traded. I mean, we are within sight of an Embiid & Simmons lineup.....

[CoreyGallagher]

Supposedly Dunn really wants to be a Sixer (Pompey uses 'begging to be'), but idk how I'd feel about trading too much to get him. Next draft is so laden with top PG prospects it seems like going all out to get one now may be jumping the gun.

[LloydFree]

Lol at posters threatening to leave if Jah is traded. I mean, we are within sight of an Embiid & Simmons lineup.....

They'll be back by mid-season, if they trade Okafor for Dunn. Once they see those guys running up and down the court and killing people on pick and rolls, they'll change their screen names and get amnesia regarding this Okafor nonsense.

[Easymoney]

I'm not leaving if we trade Okafor, but I will be very entertained by the tap dancing here once he proves how much better he is than Dunn. Hopefully it won't be for a team we have to play 4 times a year. Can't wait for the reality check and I will be here to remind everyone so obsessed with making this move of how short sided they were.

Especially the people who think we should look to trade Okafor before Noel and pay Noel to be a backup player. That's a good one.

[Winejk]

If Okafor is traded for the third pick I'm done. Not going to watch BC destroy another team brick by brick.

BTW, Dunn/Murray/Hield/Brown all have more flaws to their game then Okafor but of course that never gets talked about because they are the next shiny thing.

Heck, Dunn and Hield are 2-3 years older.

There is simply not enough time for all of these guys to get minutes.

We have 3 centers. All of which need minutes to continue to grow. Embiid isn't ready for full time so he's probably about a 20 minutes a night guy. Noel, we need to find out what we have in him before paying him...or if we even want to. At forward with have Simmons. Probably Saric. Grant and Holmes and for small stretches Covington. All competing for minutes.

and then there is the "style" fit issues. Jah needs a slow it down, methodical half court system. The large bulk of our players aren't currently built for that and perhaps never will be.

Then there is the value issue. Noel's value lowers the more he plays and closer he gets to his extention. Embiid has **** all value. Saric could turn coat and stay in Europe if traded to somewhere he doesn't want to be. Hell, he should do that anyway if I was his agent. And we are selling him on loyalty and how much we want him here to get him over sooner...to turn around and trade him is just "bad optics". Jah has 3 more years left, is still rather young, not AS injury prone (I think his knee issues are general rookie wear and tear), and ironically due to our tanking could still have potential despite a lackluster season (in some regards).

SO yeah Okafor is probably a better player than Dunn and Hield. But not for us. This idea that we can just stockpile guys with no thought of cohesion is legit what got us here. It was probably the most legit knock against Hinkie. BPA is awesome and I even used it to advocate for Simmons over Ingram (I think he is a much easier fit than a methodical post up big so that changes things). but eventually, you end up holding many of your players back and stunting their growth..and eventual value. We do not have the leverage people would like to think we have. Teams with a glut of guys generally lose talent wise with trades. Most of the time, you are getting a lesser player or asset with the idea mainly being that while overall the guy(s) you got aren't better than the guy(s) you gave but overall the mix is better now.

A top 5 pick, weak draft or not, is probably the best we are going to get for one of our bigs. Everyone knows one has to go, Everyone knows one WILL go. So they aren't going to up the ante too much. Its like when teams trade guys prior to FA, because they know the alternative is worse than whatever package they settle for. The longer we keep the logjam, the worst our bigs will look, the less happy they are, and the lower their value gets (as they approach FA especially). This idea that Jah's value would remain the same as he struggles to get space with Simmons and Noel as two of his outlets, or Noel's value will somehow rise in a situation in which he is pulled from the rim to guard perimeter guys and his blocks suffer as a result. Or that we will basically give Simmons NO room to operate and Embiid gets scrap minutes to even see what he is. All because of "pride" and this lust to constantly body people in trades is counterproductive at the end of the day.

I am not saying just trade dudes for scraps. Hell I'm not even saying trade Okafor in particular...but someone has to go...and a top 5 pick isn't the worst return.

Luckily Boston doesn't have as much leverage either as they are rebuffed from getting all stars...but they could still just take Dunn..and then move Smart or Bradley for bigs.

I love how Philly fans only apply their arguments selectively. You just spent a whole paragraph saying the Sixers will have a hard time trading one of the bigs because Sixers have a glut and the whole league knows it so they won't get even trades. Then you say Boston can just take Dunn and move Smart or Bradley for bigs.

Never mind that Boston has glut of guards. So by your own logic, the whole league knows Boston has a glut of guards so they won't get even trades.

If Sixers don't have leverage, neither does Boston. If you are going to make an argument, at least apply it consistently.

[Gsraider]

I'm not leaving if we trade Okafor, but I will be very entertained by the tap dancing here once he proves how much better he is than Dunn. Hopefully it won't be for a team we have to play 4 times a year. Can't wait for the reality check and I will be here to remind everyone so obsessed with making this move of how short sided they were.

Especially the people who think we should look to trade Okafor before Noel and pay Noel to be a backup player. That's a good one.

I don't believe the #3 pick for Okafor is equal value and will be perfectly content if they keep him. I'm just concerned that Colangelo is so hell bent on moving him, that he'll do even worse than the 3rd pick. At least I see some rationale for that even if it's not a great value trade in general.

[Easymoney]

I'm not leaving if we trade Okafor, but I will be very entertained by the tap dancing here once he proves how much better he is than Dunn. Hopefully it won't be for a team we have to play 4 times a year. Can't wait for the reality check and I will be here to remind everyone so obsessed with making this move of how short sided they were.

Especially the people who think we should look to trade Okafor before Noel and pay Noel to be a backup player. That's a good one.

I don't believe the #3 pick for Okafor is equal value and will be perfectly content if they keep him. I'm just concerned that Colangelo is so hell bent on moving him, that he'll do even worse than the 3rd pick. At least I see some rationale for that even if it's not a great value trade in general.

I certainly hope he doesn't do worse than the 3rd as that makes the trade even more outrageous. I know Okafor will be worth more than he is now by this time next year just from playing with a guy like Simmons, so I am more than comfortable waiting.

I feel that Noel should be the one we move. He will not want to be a backup imo, which is his ceiling on this team and it's just not worth it to give him the dough to be backup.

I just want this to be over with. The waiting is what makes me most angry. If BC is going to make this mistake to impress people, let's just get it over with already lol

[Mik317]

If Okafor is traded for the third pick I'm done. Not going to watch BC destroy another team brick by brick.

BTW, Dunn/Murray/Hield/Brown all have more flaws to their game then Okafor but of course that never gets talked about because they are the next shiny thing.

Heck, Dunn and Hield are 2-3 years older.

There is simply not enough time for all of these guys to get minutes.

We have 3 centers. All of which need minutes to continue to grow. Embiid isn't ready for full time so he's probably about a 20 minutes a night guy. Noel, we need to find out what we have in him before paying him...or if we even want to. At forward with have Simmons. Probably Saric. Grant and Holmes and for small stretches Covington. All competing for minutes.

and then there is the "style" fit issues. Jah needs a slow it down, methodical half court system. The large bulk of our players aren't currently built for that and perhaps never will be.

Then there is the value issue. Noel's value lowers the more he plays and closer he gets to his extention. Embiid has **** all value. Saric could turn coat and stay in Europe if traded to somewhere he doesn't want to be. Hell, he should do that anyway if I was his agent. And we are selling him on loyalty and how much we want him here to get him over sooner...to turn around and trade him is just "bad optics". Jah has 3 more years left, is still rather young, not AS injury prone (I think his knee issues are general rookie wear and tear), and ironically due to our tanking could still have potential despite a lackluster season (in some regards).

SO yeah Okafor is probably a better player than Dunn and Hield. But not for us. This idea that we can just stockpile guys with no thought of cohesion is legit what got us here. It was probably the most legit knock against Hinkie. BPA is awesome and I even used it to advocate for Simmons over Ingram (I think he is a much easier fit than a methodical post up big so that changes things). but eventually, you end up holding many of your players back and stunting their growth..and eventual value. We do not have the leverage people would like to think we have. Teams with a glut of guys generally lose talent wise with trades. Most of the time, you are getting a lesser player or asset with the idea mainly being that while overall the guy(s) you got aren't better than the guy(s) you gave but overall the mix is better now.

A top 5 pick, weak draft or not, is probably the best we are going to get for one of our bigs. Everyone knows one has to go, Everyone knows one WILL go. So they aren't going to up the ante too much. Its like when teams trade guys prior to FA, because they know the alternative is worse than whatever package they settle for. The longer we keep the logjam, the worst our bigs will look, the less happy they are, and the lower their value gets (as they approach FA especially). This idea that Jah's value would remain the same as he struggles to get space with Simmons and Noel as two of his outlets, or Noel's value will somehow rise in a situation in which he is pulled from the rim to guard perimeter guys and his blocks suffer as a result. Or that we will basically give Simmons NO room to operate and Embiid gets scrap minutes to even see what he is. All because of "pride" and this lust to constantly body people in trades is counterproductive at the end of the day.

I am not saying just trade dudes for scraps. Hell I'm not even saying trade Okafor in particular...but someone has to go...and a top 5 pick isn't the worst return.

Luckily Boston doesn't have as much leverage either as they are rebuffed from getting all stars...but they could still just take Dunn..and then move Smart or Bradley for bigs.

I love how Philly fans only apply their arguments selectively. You just spent a whole paragraph saying the Sixers will have a hard time trading one of the bigs because Sixers have a glut and the whole league knows it so they won't get even trades. Then you say Boston can just take Dunn and move Smart or Bradley for bigs.

Never mind that Boston has glut of guards. So by your own logic, the whole league knows Boston has a glut of guards so they won't get even trades.

If Sixers don't have leverage, neither does Boston. If you are going to make an argument, at least apply it consistently.

Yeah they do. Bradley has more value to a lot more teams than Okafor for example. He fits in with many squads, particularly contenders. So yeah Boston isn't in a much better spot in terms of getting great deals (as it has shown) but the market for guards that play defense (because ideally Smart or Bradley would be on the move if Dunn is the choice...not to mention they could just take Bender or Brown and keep it moving.) is higher than someone with Jah's downsides. And thus easier to move overall.

Fans are too close to their own prospects that they can't see that perhaps their guys dont have as much value as they think they do. Jah could be a great player down the line...however fair or not, his off court issues, defensive issues and hell the fact that his game isn't exactly popular right now have moved his value lower than most of you seem to realize. Noel's may be even lower as people still think his ACL is an issue and ****.

I also like how you ignored the fact that I don't even want to trade Jah in particular for the 3rd pick. I just think that is the best realistic deal on the table ATM AND a move of one of the center need to happen before the season starts. It just isn't an ideal development situation for anyone to have that glut continue.

You guys are missing the point. It isn't about Jah in particular...but rather the TEAM as a whole. We will need to field a team this year...just stockpiling assets is not going to happen. So unless you think there is a reasonably better deal out there then by all means complain. At the end of the day, we cannot keep all 3 bigs (probably can't keep 2 of them honestly). It isn't conducive to actually developing guys. This idea that we can just keep all 3 guys, develop them and then easily pawn the worst of the bunch off for Kevin Durant is and always has been an unrealistic dream. let it go.

[Mik317]

also you aren't always going to WIN every deal you do. At least not right away.

Lets say we trade Jah somewhere and he becomes great and all the things people wanted him to. While Dunn or Murray is just okay. On paper that would suck...but if Okafor simply not being here allowed Embiid to grow and if Simmons is who we thought he was....who gives a ****? The only way it is gamechangingly bad is if Dunn or Murray busts, Embiid never gets right, Noel leaves and Simmons is just ok. That would suck and with our luck is very possible...but even with Okafor (the ideal version), thats not a great situation anyway.

Also sometime just having a better structured roster is monumental. Ish Smith's bum ass made the team almost kinda sorta watchable. Even if you think Dunn is JUST ok at best...he's better than Ish (defensively alone). Adding that to what we hope Simmons is and just Noel too...not to even bring up Embiid. Makes us a lot better from jump. Defensively alone.

People need to get out of the Hinkie Mindset of "asset collection".

Look I also wish we could just keep Okafor or trade him for John Wall or some ****. I am not even saying Jah for 3 is a great amazing deal. Its just a hell of a lot better than what I expect Byran to do.

so relax

[CoreyGallagher]

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[ET Da Gawd]

They ain't even f'ing play together yet and y'all Ns talking bout how dudes don't fit. Embiid ain't play yet, what if Okafor/Embiid is a better combo that Blake/Deandre or Marc/Zach??? Ben will be able to find both of them for easy baskets when they aren't iso'ing. Also, Avery Bradley is trash, no pull-up game off the dribble, poor finisher/attacker. Good baseline set shot and defender but that's is. He's not a transcendent guard and that's why Boston chooses to keep Isaiah over him. Keep Okafor/noel...draft one the PGs next year....if Noel don't like coming off the bench send his ass then


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[Chris4Vikes]

The reality of current situation:

1. Ainge likes Noel.
2. Sixers want #3 pick to take Dunn.
3. Dunn may want to play for Sixers.
4. Noel is NOT enough for the #3 pick.
5. Can Philly bridge the gap (picks 24 and 26 are worthless to the Celtics)?
6. Celtics prepared to take Dunn as best player available (per ESPN) and player with most upside and star potential.

Dunn can take Evan Turner's minutes, who will not be back with Cs. Dunn gives Celtics another tremendous perimeter defender, and a player with solid offensive upside. He also makes players around him better. Smart, Bradley could be had around the league if price right.

[BobThornton]

The reality of current situation:

1. Ainge likes Noel.
2. Sixers want #3 pick to take Dunn.
3. Dunn may want to play for Sixers.
4. Noel is NOT enough for the #3 pick.
5. Can Philly bridge the gap (picks 24 and 26 are worthless to the Celtics)?
6. Celtics prepared to take Dunn as best player available (per ESPN) and player with most upside and star potential.

Dunn can take Evan Turner's minutes, who will not be back with Cs. Dunn gives Celtics another tremendous perimeter defender, and a player with solid offensive upside. He also makes players around him better. Smart, Bradley could be had around the league if price right.

Take Dunn. We're working on a deal with other teams.

[Chris4Vikes]

The reality of current situation:

1. Ainge likes Noel.
2. Sixers want #3 pick to take Dunn.
3. Dunn may want to play for Sixers.
4. Noel is NOT enough for the #3 pick.
5. Can Philly bridge the gap (picks 24 and 26 are worthless to the Celtics)?
6. Celtics prepared to take Dunn as best player available (per ESPN) and player with most upside and star potential.

Dunn can take Evan Turner's minutes, who will not be back with Cs. Dunn gives Celtics another tremendous perimeter defender, and a player with solid offensive upside. He also makes players around him better. Smart, Bradley could be had around the league if price right.

Take Dunn. We're working on a deal with other teams.

Works for me. Truth is that I want Dunn and was afraid that Cs would pass based on need. But that was refuted.

Perhaps you can sign Rondo - he's a free agent. Shane Larkin opted out with the Nets also.