Fantasy Trade Thread

Kobblehead · Post #381 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 12:33 am

smittybanton wrote:Not so simple. Style is great. But can he play?

It's very simple when you factor in that D.J. Wilson is under team control for 4 years.

They're not bailing on a guy they just drafted to kick the tires on a bust.

LloydFree · Post #382 » by **LloydFree** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 1:17 am

Kobblehead wrote:
smittybanton wrote:Not so simple. Style is great. But can he play?

It's very simple when you factor in that D.J. Wilson is under team control for 4 years.

They're not bailing on a guy they just drafted to kick the tires on a bust.

Not to mention Milwaukee isn't going to go into luxury tax to take on Okafor's salary for one season. They stretched Hawes for 3 seasons to save 3 million a year. There is no way they're trading a 2 million dollar cost controlled player for a 5 million dollar player.

the_process · Post #383 » by **the_process** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:02 am

LloydFree wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
smittybanton wrote:Not so simple. Style is great. But can he play?

It's very simple when you factor in that D.J. Wilson is under team control for 4 years.

They're not bailing on a guy they just drafted to kick the tires on a bust.

Not to mention Milwaukee isn't going to go into luxury tax to take on Okafor's salary for one season. They stretched Hawes for 3 seasons to save 3 million a year. There is no way they're trading a 2 million dollar cost controlled player for a 5 million dollar player.

Milwaukee could do Vaughn (300k cheaper than Wilson) and a 2nd for Okafor, use the TPE they got from the Hibbert trade last year to absorb Okafor’s salary, and still be ~1.3M under the lux.

Negrodamus · Post #384 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:12 am

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21332631/bobby-portis-nikola-mirotic-chicago-bulls-not-talking-terms

I'd ask Portis for Okafor and Stauskas or a second rounder. Portis brings longterm depth at the PF and C position. He's a buy low option I'd try to pounce on.

the_process · Post #385 » by **the_process** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:18 am

Negrodamus wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21332631/bobby-portis-nikola-mirotic-chicago-bulls-not-talking-terms

I'd ask Portis for Okafor and Stauskas or a second rounder. Portis brings longterm depth at the PF and C position. He's a buy low option I'd try to pounce on.

I don’t really want Portis punching Simmons. I’d do Bayless and Okafor for Mirotic and just decline his option at the end of the year.

Negrodamus · Post #386 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:30 am

the_process wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21332631/bobby-portis-nikola-mirotic-chicago-bulls-not-talking-terms

I'd ask Portis for Okafor and Stauskas or a second rounder. Portis brings longterm depth at the PF and C position. He's a buy low option I'd try to pounce on.

I don’t really want Portis punching Simmons. I’d do Bayless and Okafor for Mirotic and just decline his option at the end of the year.

I don't think Portis is going to be punching any more players if he is interested in remaining a millionaire.

Also, I'd like to have someone with a little fire in his belly rather than some of our less outspoken players.

PhilasFinest · Post #387 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:32 am

Yea I think id pass on Portis.

Post #388 » by **GimmeDat** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 6:13 am

Just oversaw this discussion - it looks like the Bulls have taken Portis' side with the whole situation, and him putting up 21/13/4 in his return certainly helps things. I don't think he'll be moved, which means Mirotic is probably a goner.

Doubt we'd do Bayless/Okafor for him though, wouldn't want that money on the books next year. Need some more incentive to do that.

the_process · Post #389 » by **the_process** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 7:21 am

GimmeDat wrote:Just oversaw this discussion - it looks like the Bulls have taken Portis' side with the whole situation, and him putting up 21/13/4 in his return certainly helps things. I don't think he'll be moved, which means Mirotic is probably a goner.

Doubt we'd do Bayless/Okafor for him though, wouldn't want that money on the books next year. Need some more incentive to do that.

Bayless/Okafor/PHI 2nd for Mirotic?

Post #390 » by **GimmeDat** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 7:45 am

the_process wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Just oversaw this discussion - it looks like the Bulls have taken Portis' side with the whole situation, and him putting up 21/13/4 in his return certainly helps things. I don't think he'll be moved, which means Mirotic is probably a goner.

Doubt we'd do Bayless/Okafor for him though, wouldn't want that money on the books next year. Need some more incentive to do that.

Bayless/Okafor/PHI 2nd for Mirotic?

Don't think it really pushes the needle, only because we should be valuing our cap space as an asset.

I'm also one of those people that barely values Okafor, though.

On the Bulls board most people agree if we deal for Okafor it would be for a 2nd rounder or maybe Payne, Pondexter or someone like that.

the_process · Post #391 » by **the_process** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 7:55 am

GimmeDat wrote:
the_process wrote:
GimmeDat wrote:Just oversaw this discussion - it looks like the Bulls have taken Portis' side with the whole situation, and him putting up 21/13/4 in his return certainly helps things. I don't think he'll be moved, which means Mirotic is probably a goner.

Doubt we'd do Bayless/Okafor for him though, wouldn't want that money on the books next year. Need some more incentive to do that.

Bayless/Okafor/PHI 2nd for Mirotic?

Don't think it really pushes the needle, only because we should be valuing our cap space as an asset.

I'm also one of those people that barely values Okafor, though.

On the Bulls board most people agree if we deal for Okafor it would be for a 2nd rounder or maybe Payne, Pondexter or someone like that.

You guys ought to be selling your cap space for assets. Anyway, I’m looking at it as a Bayless/2nd for expiring filler deal, with Okafor as a cherry on top. I’d be willing to add another 2nd to it as well.

spikeslovechild · Post #392 » by **spikeslovechild** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:42 pm

Anyone else willing to take on Monroe contract to dump bayless? I am. Realgm also has them interested in Okafor.

What about Okafor+Bayless for Monroe and a couple of 2nds or highly protected first.

Kobblehead · Post #393 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 3:49 pm

I don't think Phoenix wants to take on 2019 salary to dump Monroe. They're just shopping him to see if anyone wants him. I'd imagine that they'll gladly allow him to expire off their books this summer if there are no takers.

PhilasFinest · Post #394 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:31 pm

I honestly don't think the Sixers are going to just dump Bayless.

He may drive myself and others crazy, but we seem to like him and he's played ok.

51X3RF4N · Post #395 » by **51X3RF4N** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:37 pm

I could easily see Okafor traded for Monroe plus a 2nd or something small. Makes sense for both.

PhilasFinest · Post #396 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 5:53 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:I could easily see Okafor traded for Monroe plus a 2nd or something small. Makes sense for both.

How does Monroe make sense for us?

I doubt he will have a spot in the rotation...likely end up being a buyout situation with us as well.

51X3RF4N · Post #397 » by **51X3RF4N** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 6:00 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:I could easily see Okafor traded for Monroe plus a 2nd or something small. Makes sense for both.

How does Monroe make sense for us?

I doubt he will have a spot in the rotation...likely end up being a buyout situation with us as well.

Because when Embiid needs rest, or we don't want Amir/Saric at Center, and when Holmes is in foul trouble....just seems to make sense as a fit for the rest of the year as a backup for those nights when you need 2 legit NBA Centers.

Kobblehead · Post #398 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 6:51 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:Because when Embiid needs rest, or we don't want Amir/Saric at Center, and when Holmes is in foul trouble....just seems to make sense as a fit for the rest of the year as a backup for those nights when you need 2 legit NBA Centers.

Does Monroe qualify as a legit NBA C? He lacks the length you typically would want and doesn't have the spring to compensate for it. To me, he's just an old school PF, lost in the modern game. It's why he can drop 15 and 9 a night and no team really covets or knows what to do with him.

If we think Richaun doesn't do a good enough job at the 5 and don't trust Amir to play big minutes, I'd rather target Alex Len. The other expiring contract on Phoenix. I think he's an actual legit back-up C.

spikeslovechild · Post #399 » by **spikeslovechild** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 9:48 pm

You are missing the point. The idea isn't to trade for Monroe because he has value it's an opportunity to dump bayless and Okafor to clear the cap for next year.

spikeslovechild · Post #400 » by **spikeslovechild** » Wed Nov 8, 2017 9:51 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I don't think Phoenix wants to take on 2019 salary to dump Monroe. They're just shopping him to see if anyone wants him. I'd imagine that they'll gladly allow him to expire off their books this summer if there are no takers.

They are talking about straight buying him out. So they don't seem to have any use for him. Eating 17 million is tough for an owner as cheap as Sarver.

Bayless could at least play for them. They aren't going to compete for the next two years so who cares from their end about the extra year. I also don't think he is that depressed of an asset considering how he is playing (still net - though but not untradeable like at the beginning of the season). It's just we need to have a clean slate next year.