Championship hopes

[youngcrev]

I’m not here to argue and i just want to know your opinion.

What’s the set-up you think that would be realistically perfect with our team?

Meaning what? Roster build around those 2?

I think you want a primary perimeter option that can run PnR at a high level and shoot off ball, and then a bunch of quick trigger 3 point guys.

If Markelle would have panned out, I think you'd be in a damn near optimal situation right now.

If Jimmy was a more willing shooter you would have had a pretty ideal build last year too (just needed a bench).

Simmons and Embiid give you a foundation for a great defense. Ben gives you transition offense, Jo gives you post offense. Just need perimeter guys that can help them in the half court.

Yeah. The Sixers are so close to championship level, yet so far away. I’ve never been a Brett fan, and think a good GM and coach could build around Joel and Ben fairly quick.

I think Shake and Thybulle are both good fits and solid rotation guys.

I loved the Josh Richardson trade, but Joel and Ben can’t survive with a streaky perimeter shooter like that. Was never a big fan of the Hortford trade, but rather than use a pick to dump him, we may be able to utilize him while we ride out the remainder of the contract. Tobias almost seems untradeable to me.

I’m not sure who would be available as a guard to pair with Shake, but someone like a Kemba would probably make a huge difference in our offense. Most of the guys that come to mind are unattainable all-stars.

Shake's the guy I'm most interested to watch in the playoffs. Does he step up in the limelight and look like that guy we saw on the west coast trip? If so, maybe he can be that guy you want as your PnR/Shooter. If he wilts, I think you go back to looking at him like a bench piece. With Matisse, I think there's a clear cut idea of what he'll be for you in the future as a role player provided he can become a little more consistent with the jumper. Things are a bit more murky with Shake in terms of what level role he'll be able to play offensively and whether he'll be able to hold up defensively in a playoff series.

I'd sure feel a lot more comfortable going into these playoffs right now if they weren't so reliant on those 2.

As for Richardson, Horford and Harris, I think individually none of them is that bad of a fit (well, Horford's at least fine if he's only on with one of Ben and Jo), it's more just a bad fit as a collective, and guys being forced into roles they can't handle. Like, if you had all of those guys or 2 of the 3, and also had that primary playmaker and a shooter, things would actually make sense. It's part of why i don't think you need to completely blow this thing up. I'm on the same page with Kevin O'Connor with CP3 as being a gettable piece that could shift things into place.

[76ciology]

Why? They've racked up individual accolades and the team has played very well with both on the floor throughout their short careers together so far. Fixing a poor roster construction by trading a talent of that caliber doesn't make much sense unless you're getting back a similarly talented, better fitting player (and when does that ever happen?).

I’m not here to argue and i just want to know your opinion.

What’s the set-up you think that would be realistically perfect with our team?

Meaning what? Roster build around those 2?

I think you want a primary perimeter option that can run PnR at a high level and shoot off ball, and then a bunch of quick trigger 3 point guys.

If Markelle would have panned out, I think you'd be in a damn near optimal situation right now.

If Jimmy was a more willing shooter you would have had a pretty ideal build last year too (just needed a bench).

Simmons and Embiid give you a foundation for a great defense. Ben gives you transition offense, Jo gives you post offense. Just need perimeter guys that can help them in the half court.

Do you think Ben as a secondary ball handler will work with an average at best shooter as a “primary perimeter option”?

For instance if Butler runs PnR with Biid, where will you place Ben?

If Butler runs PnR with Ben, where will you place Biid?

“Perimeter guys that can help them in halfcourt” like whom?

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

I’m not here to argue and i just want to know your opinion.

What’s the set-up you think that would be realistically perfect with our team?

Meaning what? Roster build around those 2?

I think you want a primary perimeter option that can run PnR at a high level and shoot off ball, and then a bunch of quick trigger 3 point guys.

If Markelle would have panned out, I think you'd be in a damn near optimal situation right now.

If Jimmy was a more willing shooter you would have had a pretty ideal build last year too (just needed a bench).

Simmons and Embiid give you a foundation for a great defense. Ben gives you transition offense, Jo gives you post offense. Just need perimeter guys that can help them in the half court.

Yeah. The Sixers are so close to championship level, yet so far away. I’ve never been a Brett fan, and think a good GM and coach could build around Joel and Ben fairly quick.

I think Shake and Thybulle are both good fits and solid rotation guys.

I loved the Josh Richardson trade, but Joel and Ben can’t survive with a streaky perimeter shooter like that. Was never a big fan of the Hortford trade, but rather than use a pick to dump him, we may be able to utilize him while we ride out the remainder of the contract. Tobias almost seems untradeable to me.

I’m not sure who would be available as a guard to pair with Shake, but someone like a Kemba would probably make a huge difference in our offense. Most of the guys that come to mind are unattainable all-stars.

Watch on YouTube

I know the regular season ORTG would say otherwise. Because.. in regular season you mostly run your usual stuffs and rarely make these kind of adjustments like having a Siakam-Ibaka-Gasol frontcourt down the stretch.

But watch how the game is just different in the playoffs.

1.) watch how difficult it is for a “primary perimeter option” like Jimmy to run a PnR with Biid and Ben
2.) watch Ben’s man, Ibaka, who is basically playing goalie on defense on every possession.
3.) Once Biid rolls, Ibaka is there. If Biid posts up against a mismatch, Ibaka is again there.

Raps can switch all they want, because they know we can’t capitalize on the mismatch

Now, a team like the Bucks would put Brolo on Biid and Giannis on Ben. Giannis can play goalie around the rim.
If you watch the tape.. Bucks were even blatant by putting wesley matthews on Al Horford. Once Horford posts up, Giannis is there

Same thing for the Lakers. Lakers would put McGee on Biid then let AD play goalie.

The best way is for Ben to have the ball, or Ben as a roll man then have Biid space out the floor. Now, would Biid or a more talented perimeter player like Jimmy want that?

Watch how hard it is for us to generate 4v5 offense or a simple good look on halfcourt. Then watch how other teams with 5 guys who can shoot and multiple guys who can breakdown the defense face-up, not back down. And we know how the refs favor perimeter players driving down the rim. Just watch how Devin Booker played on our last game against them in the 2nd half. Our guys were playing “social distancing” offense.

Even if you have 3 steph curry clones along with Biid and Ben. The defense will just keep switching because they know you can’t attack the mismatch because they have a goalie at the paint.

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

[spoiler]

Meaning what? Roster build around those 2?

I think you want a primary perimeter option that can run PnR at a high level and shoot off ball, and then a bunch of quick trigger 3 point guys.

If Markelle would have panned out, I think you'd be in a damn near optimal situation right now.

If Jimmy was a more willing shooter you would have had a pretty ideal build last year too (just needed a bench).

Simmons and Embiid give you a foundation for a great defense. Ben gives you transition offense, Jo gives you post offense. Just need perimeter guys that can help them in the half court.

Yeah. The Sixers are so close to championship level, yet so far away. I’ve never been a Brett fan, and think a good GM and coach could build around Joel and Ben fairly quick.

I think Shake and Thybulle are both good fits and solid rotation guys.

I loved the Josh Richardson trade, but Joel and Ben can’t survive with a streaky perimeter shooter like that. Was never a big fan of the Hortford trade, but rather than use a pick to dump him, we may be able to utilize him while we ride out the remainder of the contract. Tobias almost seems untradeable to me.

I’m not sure who would be available as a guard to pair with Shake, but someone like a Kemba would probably make a huge difference in our offense. Most of the guys that come to mind are unattainable all-stars.

Watch on YouTube

I know the ORtg would say otherwise.

But watch how the game is just different in the playoffs.

1.) watch how difficult it is for a “primary perimeter option” like Jimmy to run a PnR with Biid and Ben
2.) watch Ben’s man, Ibaka, who is basically playing goalie on defense on every possession.
3.) Once Biid rolls, Ibaka is there. If Biid posts up against a mismatch, Ibaka is again there.

Raps can switch all they want, because they know we can’t capitalize on the mismatch

Now, a team like the Bucks would put Brolo on Biid and Giannis on Ben. Giannis can play goalie around the rim.
If you watch the tape.. Bucks were even blatant by putting wesley matthews on Al Horford. Once Horford posts up, Giannis is there

Same thing for the Lakers. Lakers would put McGee on Biid then let AD play goalie.

The best way is for Ben to have the ball, or Ben as a roll man then have Biid space out the floor. Now, would Biid or a more talented perimeter player like Jimmy want that?

Watch how hard it is for us to generate 4v5 offense or a simple good look on halfcourt. Then watch how other teams with 5 guys who can shoot and multiple guys who can breakdown the defense face-up, not back down. And we know how the refs favor perimeter players driving down the rim. Just watch how Devin Booker played on our last game against them in the 2nd half. Our guys were playing “social distancing” offense.

Even if you have 3 steph curry clones along with Biid and Ben. The defense will just keep switching because they know you can’t attack the mismatch because they have a goalie at the paint.

Watch on YouTube

This is Bucks playing defense against us

[youngcrev]

I’m not here to argue and i just want to know your opinion.

What’s the set-up you think that would be realistically perfect with our team?

Meaning what? Roster build around those 2?

I think you want a primary perimeter option that can run PnR at a high level and shoot off ball, and then a bunch of quick trigger 3 point guys.

If Markelle would have panned out, I think you'd be in a damn near optimal situation right now.

If Jimmy was a more willing shooter you would have had a pretty ideal build last year too (just needed a bench).

Simmons and Embiid give you a foundation for a great defense. Ben gives you transition offense, Jo gives you post offense. Just need perimeter guys that can help them in the half court.

Do you think Ben as a secondary ball handler will work with an average at best shooter as a “primary perimeter option”?

For instance if Butler runs PnR with Biid, where will you place Ben?

If Butler runs PnR with Ben, where will you place Biid?

“Perimeter guys that can help them in halfcourt” like whom?

Not optimally, but yes, I think it works, particularly if that guy is at least a willing shooter like say Dinwiddie or Jrue.

Ben and Embiid both need to be willing to space to the corners when the other is featured as the roll man.

As for names, I think we all know the usual suspects. Booker and Beal are the achetype, though I think a traditional PG could work as well, particularly if you were to also add a volume shooter. In terms of guys that would seem to actually be available, I'd be all for a new backcourt of CP3/Hield.

Just seems like there are some pretty clear things that the Simmons/Embiid pairing gives you at a high level, as well as some pretty glaring holes you need to fill. Surround them with as much playmaking and shooting as you can while trying to minimize what you sacrifice on the defensive end as much as possible.

[76ciology]

Meaning what? Roster build around those 2?

I think you want a primary perimeter option that can run PnR at a high level and shoot off ball, and then a bunch of quick trigger 3 point guys.

If Markelle would have panned out, I think you'd be in a damn near optimal situation right now.

If Jimmy was a more willing shooter you would have had a pretty ideal build last year too (just needed a bench).

Simmons and Embiid give you a foundation for a great defense. Ben gives you transition offense, Jo gives you post offense. Just need perimeter guys that can help them in the half court.

Do you think Ben as a secondary ball handler will work with an average at best shooter as a “primary perimeter option”?

For instance if Butler runs PnR with Biid, where will you place Ben?

If Butler runs PnR with Ben, where will you place Biid?

“Perimeter guys that can help them in halfcourt” like whom?

Not optimally, but yes, I think it works, particularly if that guy is at least a willing shooter like say Dinwiddie or Jrue.

Ben and Embiid both need to be willing to space to the corners when the other is featured as the roll man.

As for names, I think we all know the usual suspects. Booker and Beal are the achetype, though I think a traditional PG could work as well, particularly if you were to also add a volume shooter. In terms of guys that would seem to actually be available, I'd be all for a new backcourt of CP3/Hield.

Just seems like there are some pretty clear things that the Simmons/Embiid pairing gives you at a high level, as well as some pretty glaring holes you need to fill. Surround them with as much playmaking and shooting as you can while trying to minimize what you sacrifice on the defensive end as much as possible.

Ok hypothetically speaking..

With that said...

Won’t having a guy like Roco and Jrue make us a bettee team than Ben and Jrich?

Jrue run PnR with Biid. He can kickout to Roco for 3.

I dont think you’re missing that much on D either.

The other guys can even just be Tobi and Al, no need to get Hield.

[youngcrev]

Do you think Ben as a secondary ball handler will work with an average at best shooter as a “primary perimeter option”?

For instance if Butler runs PnR with Biid, where will you place Ben?

If Butler runs PnR with Ben, where will you place Biid?

“Perimeter guys that can help them in halfcourt” like whom?

Not optimally, but yes, I think it works, particularly if that guy is at least a willing shooter like say Dinwiddie or Jrue.

Ben and Embiid both need to be willing to space to the corners when the other is featured as the roll man.

As for names, I think we all know the usual suspects. Booker and Beal are the achetype, though I think a traditional PG could work as well, particularly if you were to also add a volume shooter. In terms of guys that would seem to actually be available, I'd be all for a new backcourt of CP3/Hield.

Just seems like there are some pretty clear things that the Simmons/Embiid pairing gives you at a high level, as well as some pretty glaring holes you need to fill. Surround them with as much playmaking and shooting as you can while trying to minimize what you sacrifice on the defensive end as much as possible.

Ok hypothetically speaking..

With that said...

Won’t having a guy like Roco and Jrue make us a bettee team than Ben and Jrich?

Jrue run PnR with Biid. He can kickout to Roco for 3.

I dont think you’re missing that much on D either.

The other guys can even just be Tobi and Al, no need to get Hield.

Debatable, and really only if you're talking the immediate future. It's not like Jrue is that great of an offensive option. If you said like Booker and Covington, sure.

[sixers hoops]

Do you think Ben as a secondary ball handler will work with an average at best shooter as a “primary perimeter option”?

For instance if Butler runs PnR with Biid, where will you place Ben?

If Butler runs PnR with Ben, where will you place Biid?

“Perimeter guys that can help them in halfcourt” like whom?

Not optimally, but yes, I think it works, particularly if that guy is at least a willing shooter like say Dinwiddie or Jrue.

Ben and Embiid both need to be willing to space to the corners when the other is featured as the roll man.

As for names, I think we all know the usual suspects. Booker and Beal are the achetype, though I think a traditional PG could work as well, particularly if you were to also add a volume shooter. In terms of guys that would seem to actually be available, I'd be all for a new backcourt of CP3/Hield.

Just seems like there are some pretty clear things that the Simmons/Embiid pairing gives you at a high level, as well as some pretty glaring holes you need to fill. Surround them with as much playmaking and shooting as you can while trying to minimize what you sacrifice on the defensive end as much as possible.

Ok hypothetically speaking..

With that said...

Won’t having a guy like Roco and Jrue make us a bettee team than Ben and Jrich?

Jrue run PnR with Biid. He can kickout to Roco for 3.

I dont think you’re missing that much on D either.

The other guys can even just be Tobi and Al, no need to get Hield.

I agree. Ben is a liability in the halfcourt offense, but hoping that Ben really expands his game so we can have the best of both worlds. For all the defensive, great transition play, and passing ability, he has so much room for improvement offensively. He isn’t a threat from deep or midrange. He has really struggled finishing around the rim. Has a nice post up game that he doesn’t use much. He really only takes it to the rim or passes.

[76ciology]

Not optimally, but yes, I think it works, particularly if that guy is at least a willing shooter like say Dinwiddie or Jrue.

Ben and Embiid both need to be willing to space to the corners when the other is featured as the roll man.

As for names, I think we all know the usual suspects. Booker and Beal are the achetype, though I think a traditional PG could work as well, particularly if you were to also add a volume shooter. In terms of guys that would seem to actually be available, I'd be all for a new backcourt of CP3/Hield.

Just seems like there are some pretty clear things that the Simmons/Embiid pairing gives you at a high level, as well as some pretty glaring holes you need to fill. Surround them with as much playmaking and shooting as you can while trying to minimize what you sacrifice on the defensive end as much as possible.

Ok hypothetically speaking..

With that said...

Won’t having a guy like Roco and Jrue make us a bettee team than Ben and Jrich?

Jrue run PnR with Biid. He can kickout to Roco for 3.

I dont think you’re missing that much on D either.

The other guys can even just be Tobi and Al, no need to get Hield.

I agree. Ben is a liability in the halfcourt offense, but hoping that Ben really expands his game so we can have the best of both worlds. For all the defensive, great transition play, and passing ability, he has so much room for improvement offensively. He isn’t a threat from deep or midrange. He has really struggled finishing around the rim. Has a nice post up game that he doesn’t use much. He really only takes it to the rim or passes.

I like him posting up and driving aggressively like a star player who’s not a good shooter like Dwyane Wade or Butler, I honestly feel offense is better attacking a 4v5 when you are face up than backing down. And that is good in a vacuum but considering how that hurts Embiid game (or emotional stability), then i dont think its the best option.

One thing to consider is I think you have more upside in trading Ben. Mainly because he still has prime value in the league. This gives you a lot of option. Which is different from holding unto players like Wiggins where the best you can do is for him to turn it around then you can decide whether to hold or trade him.

[76ciology]

I believe Brett plans to use Burks like a poor man’s Manu. He will do his attack off the bench and we may see him be part of our 5 man unit down the stretch.

[sixers hoops]

I believe Brett plans to use Burks like a poor man’s Manu. He will do his attack off the bench and we may see him be part of our 5 man unit down the stretch.

I wonder if Burks sticks around. We have some monster contracts, and prob won’t pay the tax unless we go to the finals.

[76ciology]

I believe Brett plans to use Burks like a poor man’s Manu. He will do his attack off the bench and we may see him be part of our 5 man unit down the stretch.

I wonder if Burks sticks around. We have some monster contracts, and prob won’t pay the tax unless we go to the finals.

Either Burks re-sign or we trade Ben for a guy who can play like Burks at a star level.

Not saying that will happen.

[76ciology]

Another thing to mention.

Did you notice Tobias has been practicing his step back and how he tried to draw fouls like Demar does?

[Sixerscan]

Spoiler:

Meaning what? Roster build around those 2?

I think you want a primary perimeter option that can run PnR at a high level and shoot off ball, and then a bunch of quick trigger 3 point guys.

If Markelle would have panned out, I think you'd be in a damn near optimal situation right now.

If Jimmy was a more willing shooter you would have had a pretty ideal build last year too (just needed a bench).

Simmons and Embiid give you a foundation for a great defense. Ben gives you transition offense, Jo gives you post offense. Just need perimeter guys that can help them in the half court.

Yeah. The Sixers are so close to championship level, yet so far away. I’ve never been a Brett fan, and think a good GM and coach could build around Joel and Ben fairly quick.

I think Shake and Thybulle are both good fits and solid rotation guys.

I loved the Josh Richardson trade, but Joel and Ben can’t survive with a streaky perimeter shooter like that. Was never a big fan of the Hortford trade, but rather than use a pick to dump him, we may be able to utilize him while we ride out the remainder of the contract. Tobias almost seems untradeable to me.

I’m not sure who would be available as a guard to pair with Shake, but someone like a Kemba would probably make a huge difference in our offense. Most of the guys that come to mind are unattainable all-stars.

Watch on YouTube

I know the regular season ORTG would say otherwise. Because.. in regular season you mostly run your usual stuffs and rarely make these kind of adjustments like having a Siakam-Ibaka-Gasol frontcourt down the stretch.

But watch how the game is just different in the playoffs.

1.) watch how difficult it is for a “primary perimeter option” like Jimmy to run a PnR with Biid and Ben
2.) watch Ben’s man, Ibaka, who is basically playing goalie on defense on every possession.
3.) Once Biid rolls, Ibaka is there. If Biid posts up against a mismatch, Ibaka is again there.

Raps can switch all they want, because they know we can’t capitalize on the mismatch

Now, a team like the Bucks would put Brolo on Biid and Giannis on Ben. Giannis can play goalie around the rim.
If you watch the tape.. Bucks were even blatant by putting wesley matthews on Al Horford. Once Horford posts up, Giannis is there

Same thing for the Lakers. Lakers would put McGee on Biid then let AD play goalie.

The best way is for Ben to have the ball, or Ben as a roll man then have Biid space out the floor. Now, would Biid or a more talented perimeter player like Jimmy want that?

Watch how hard it is for us to generate 4v5 offense or a simple good look on halfcourt. Then watch how other teams with 5 guys who can shoot and multiple guys who can breakdown the defense face-up, not back down. And we know how the refs favor perimeter players driving down the rim. Just watch how Devin Booker played on our last game against them in the 2nd half. Our guys were playing “social distancing” offense.

Even if you have 3 steph curry clones along with Biid and Ben. The defense will just keep switching because they know you can’t attack the mismatch because they have a goalie at the paint.

All I see here is a video of the last 5 minutes of a 7 game series that came down to the last second against a team that eventually won the title.

If it was so easy to stop this lineup then why did the Raptors get their asses handed to them in Games 3 and 6? The Raptors scored a whole 2 more points than the Sixers in this game, was their offense also flawed? Both teams had great defenses, they weren't exactly going against Pelle and Korkmaz like Booker was.

Also just a reminder that they were +10 when Embiid was in this game and it only came down to the final shot because they got blown off the court in the little time he sat.

[76ciology]

Spoiler:

Yeah. The Sixers are so close to championship level, yet so far away. I’ve never been a Brett fan, and think a good GM and coach could build around Joel and Ben fairly quick.

I think Shake and Thybulle are both good fits and solid rotation guys.

I loved the Josh Richardson trade, but Joel and Ben can’t survive with a streaky perimeter shooter like that. Was never a big fan of the Hortford trade, but rather than use a pick to dump him, we may be able to utilize him while we ride out the remainder of the contract. Tobias almost seems untradeable to me.

I’m not sure who would be available as a guard to pair with Shake, but someone like a Kemba would probably make a huge difference in our offense. Most of the guys that come to mind are unattainable all-stars.

Watch on YouTube

I know the regular season ORTG would say otherwise. Because.. in regular season you mostly run your usual stuffs and rarely make these kind of adjustments like having a Siakam-Ibaka-Gasol frontcourt down the stretch.

But watch how the game is just different in the playoffs.

1.) watch how difficult it is for a “primary perimeter option” like Jimmy to run a PnR with Biid and Ben
2.) watch Ben’s man, Ibaka, who is basically playing goalie on defense on every possession.
3.) Once Biid rolls, Ibaka is there. If Biid posts up against a mismatch, Ibaka is again there.

Raps can switch all they want, because they know we can’t capitalize on the mismatch

Now, a team like the Bucks would put Brolo on Biid and Giannis on Ben. Giannis can play goalie around the rim.
If you watch the tape.. Bucks were even blatant by putting wesley matthews on Al Horford. Once Horford posts up, Giannis is there

Same thing for the Lakers. Lakers would put McGee on Biid then let AD play goalie.

The best way is for Ben to have the ball, or Ben as a roll man then have Biid space out the floor. Now, would Biid or a more talented perimeter player like Jimmy want that?

Watch how hard it is for us to generate 4v5 offense or a simple good look on halfcourt. Then watch how other teams with 5 guys who can shoot and multiple guys who can breakdown the defense face-up, not back down. And we know how the refs favor perimeter players driving down the rim. Just watch how Devin Booker played on our last game against them in the 2nd half. Our guys were playing “social distancing” offense.

Even if you have 3 steph curry clones along with Biid and Ben. The defense will just keep switching because they know you can’t attack the mismatch because they have a goalie at the paint.

All I see here is a video of the last 5 minutes of a 7 game series that came down to the last second against a team that eventually won the title.

If it was so easy to stop this lineup then why did the Raptors get their asses handed to them in Games 3 and 6? The Raptors scored a whole 2 more points than the Sixers in this game, was their offense also flawed? Both teams had great defenses, they weren't exactly going against Pelle and Korkmaz like Booker was.

Also just a reminder that they were +10 when Embiid was in this game and it only came down to the final shot because they got blown off the court in the little time he sat.

You see that while I also see that we lose in that series.

And in the end a loss is a loss. And the important thing is you learn from that loss and improve.

Like the FO, I believe this issue will continue and we will lose against big teams like the Raps, Bucks and Lakers who can pack the paint to get Biid out the game and force challenged perimeter shots for Jimmy, JJ and Ben.

My point is, it’s hard to win with Ben and Jimmy’s lack of perimeter shooting.

And Ben will definitely not want to be on the dunker spot and let Jimmy run the offense. While Jimmy will not want to be a spot up shooter. How many times have we seen Jimmy passing up open 3s?

It’s just really not good for our offense because as you can see Ben’s man can just roam around the paint and this guy can be Ibaka, Siakam, AD or Giannis. And these guys can just provide help defense to bother Biid in the paint.

Watch on YouTube

Maybe we just have different preference in basketball.

10-20 years ago, teams play 4 out basketball. Nowadays it’s trending toward a 5 out basketball. If we run it back, it’s more like 2 and a half or 2 and 3/4s out basketball. And it’s just worse when your franchise player craves for supreme spacing in the paint. Thus, on post offense, Biid scores 1.0+ppp without Ben on the floor and just .64 when Ben is not on the floor.

[Sixerscan]

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

I know the regular season ORTG would say otherwise. Because.. in regular season you mostly run your usual stuffs and rarely make these kind of adjustments like having a Siakam-Ibaka-Gasol frontcourt down the stretch.

But watch how the game is just different in the playoffs.

1.) watch how difficult it is for a “primary perimeter option” like Jimmy to run a PnR with Biid and Ben
2.) watch Ben’s man, Ibaka, who is basically playing goalie on defense on every possession.
3.) Once Biid rolls, Ibaka is there. If Biid posts up against a mismatch, Ibaka is again there.

Raps can switch all they want, because they know we can’t capitalize on the mismatch

Now, a team like the Bucks would put Brolo on Biid and Giannis on Ben. Giannis can play goalie around the rim.
If you watch the tape.. Bucks were even blatant by putting wesley matthews on Al Horford. Once Horford posts up, Giannis is there

Same thing for the Lakers. Lakers would put McGee on Biid then let AD play goalie.

The best way is for Ben to have the ball, or Ben as a roll man then have Biid space out the floor. Now, would Biid or a more talented perimeter player like Jimmy want that?

Watch how hard it is for us to generate 4v5 offense or a simple good look on halfcourt. Then watch how other teams with 5 guys who can shoot and multiple guys who can breakdown the defense face-up, not back down. And we know how the refs favor perimeter players driving down the rim. Just watch how Devin Booker played on our last game against them in the 2nd half. Our guys were playing “social distancing” offense.

Even if you have 3 steph curry clones along with Biid and Ben. The defense will just keep switching because they know you can’t attack the mismatch because they have a goalie at the paint.

All I see here is a video of the last 5 minutes of a 7 game series that came down to the last second against a team that eventually won the title.

If it was so easy to stop this lineup then why did the Raptors get their asses handed to them in Games 3 and 6? The Raptors scored a whole 2 more points than the Sixers in this game, was their offense also flawed? Both teams had great defenses, they weren't exactly going against Pelle and Korkmaz like Booker was.

Also just a reminder that they were +10 when Embiid was in this game and it only came down to the final shot because they got blown off the court in the little time he sat.

You see that while I also see that we lose in that series.

And in the end a loss is a loss. And the important thing is you learn from that loss and improve.

Like the FO, I believe this issue will continue and we will lose against big teams like the Raps, Bucks and Lakers who can pack the paint to get Biid out the game and force challenged perimeter shots for Jimmy, JJ and Ben.

My point is, it’s hard to win with Ben and Jimmy’s lack of perimeter shooting.

And Ben will definitely not want to be on the dunker spot and let Jimmy run the offense. While Jimmy will not want to be a spot up shooter. How many times have we seen Jimmy passing up open 3s?

It’s just really not good for our offense because as you can see Ben’s man can just roam around the paint and this guy can be Ibaka, Siakam, AD or Giannis. And these guys can just provide help defense to bother Biid in the paint.

Watch on YouTube

Maybe we just have different preference in basketball.

10-20 years ago, teams play 4 out basketball. Nowadays it’s trending toward a 5 out basketball. If we run it back, it’s more like 2 and a half or 2 and 3/4s out basketball. And it’s just worse when your franchise player craves for supreme spacing in the paint. Thus, on post offense, Biid scores 1.0+ppp without Ben on the floor and just .64 when Ben is not on the floor.

Why should I watch a video of the Bucks? They lost to the Raptors in fewer games than the Sixers last year and didn't make any major changes, they are obviously flawed by your logic.

Also this video is from earlier this year where Butler wasn't even on the team, what does this have to do with your earlier point? The last game they played the Bucks with Butler they scored 130 points and out executed them down the stretch: https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201903170MIL.html

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Reg season
109 ORtg 18th

Bubble
118 ORtg 3rd

Defense? Who cares.

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Meaning what? Roster build around those 2?

I think you want a primary perimeter option that can run PnR at a high level and shoot off ball, and then a bunch of quick trigger 3 point guys.

If Markelle would have panned out, I think you'd be in a damn near optimal situation right now.

If Jimmy was a more willing shooter you would have had a pretty ideal build last year too (just needed a bench).

Simmons and Embiid give you a foundation for a great defense. Ben gives you transition offense, Jo gives you post offense. Just need perimeter guys that can help them in the half court.

Do you think Ben as a secondary ball handler will work with an average at best shooter as a “primary perimeter option”?

For instance if Butler runs PnR with Biid, where will you place Ben?

If Butler runs PnR with Ben, where will you place Biid?

“Perimeter guys that can help them in halfcourt” like whom?

Not optimally, but yes, I think it works, particularly if that guy is at least a willing shooter like say Dinwiddie or Jrue.

Ben and Embiid both need to be willing to space to the corners when the other is featured as the roll man.

As for names, I think we all know the usual suspects. Booker and Beal are the achetype, though I think a traditional PG could work as well, particularly if you were to also add a volume shooter. In terms of guys that would seem to actually be available, I'd be all for a new backcourt of CP3/Hield.

Just seems like there are some pretty clear things that the Simmons/Embiid pairing gives you at a high level, as well as some pretty glaring holes you need to fill. Surround them with as much playmaking and shooting as you can while trying to minimize what you sacrifice on the defensive end as much as possible.

Add McCollum to the list of usual suspects. He is second fiddle to Lillard, but he is a stud.

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Do you think Ben as a secondary ball handler will work with an average at best shooter as a “primary perimeter option”?

For instance if Butler runs PnR with Biid, where will you place Ben?

If Butler runs PnR with Ben, where will you place Biid?

“Perimeter guys that can help them in halfcourt” like whom?

Not optimally, but yes, I think it works, particularly if that guy is at least a willing shooter like say Dinwiddie or Jrue.

Ben and Embiid both need to be willing to space to the corners when the other is featured as the roll man.

As for names, I think we all know the usual suspects. Booker and Beal are the achetype, though I think a traditional PG could work as well, particularly if you were to also add a volume shooter. In terms of guys that would seem to actually be available, I'd be all for a new backcourt of CP3/Hield.

Just seems like there are some pretty clear things that the Simmons/Embiid pairing gives you at a high level, as well as some pretty glaring holes you need to fill. Surround them with as much playmaking and shooting as you can while trying to minimize what you sacrifice on the defensive end as much as possible.

Add McCollum to the list of usual suspects. He is second fiddle to Lillard, but he is a stud.

Hasn't he always been on the list? (Btw, I thought he kinda looked like crap up until the final stretch of the game... But yeah, a guy that can shoot and iso like that certainly would help).

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Not optimally, but yes, I think it works, particularly if that guy is at least a willing shooter like say Dinwiddie or Jrue.

Ben and Embiid both need to be willing to space to the corners when the other is featured as the roll man.

As for names, I think we all know the usual suspects. Booker and Beal are the achetype, though I think a traditional PG could work as well, particularly if you were to also add a volume shooter. In terms of guys that would seem to actually be available, I'd be all for a new backcourt of CP3/Hield.

Just seems like there are some pretty clear things that the Simmons/Embiid pairing gives you at a high level, as well as some pretty glaring holes you need to fill. Surround them with as much playmaking and shooting as you can while trying to minimize what you sacrifice on the defensive end as much as possible.

Add McCollum to the list of usual suspects. He is second fiddle to Lillard, but he is a stud.

Hasn't he always been on the list? (Btw, I thought he kinda looked like crap up until the final stretch of the game... But yeah, a guy that can shoot and iso like that certainly would help).

He looked like crap and I think his game will decline if you let him play the role that he has to play on our team.

The reason he was on the list was people envision him to play Jj’s role, he was playing really good then the premise was he’d be acquired via a tobi deal rather than a ben deal.