Welcome Jared McCain!

[Arsenal]

Jared McCain = next Steph regardless of his race!

[Sixersftw]

Jared McCain = next Steph regardless of his race!

I refuse to look back at what could have possibly prompted this sentence. I just want to live in as confusing and non contextualized world as possible.

[ProcessDoctor]

Jared McCain = next Steph regardless of his race!

Bro, McCain only had a .230 FTA rate as a freshman at Duke...there's no way he can become an All-Star!

[Negrodamus]

And a .204 FTr as a rookie. Looks like it didn't improve!

[mjkvol]

Jared McCain = next Steph regardless of his race!

Oy vey.

[ProcessDoctor]

And a .204 FTr as a rookie. Looks like it didn't improve!

Should we start shopping him this summer, or at the deadline?

I can't imagine he'll improve like Maxey, who somehow went from .163 as a rookie to .265 last year.

[Negrodamus]

And a .204 FTr as a rookie. Looks like it didn't improve!

Should we start shopping him this summer, or at the deadline?

I can't imagine he'll improve like Maxey, who somehow went from .163 as a rookie to .265 last year.

Nope, I liked him going into the draft. Was able to realize that foul generation wasn't really his thing but he did a lot of other things great, particularly for the 16th pick of the draft. Was able to realize that you're not going to get a perfect prospect at that pick, but his shooting profile was elite, had a STL% >= 2.0, OBPM > 4, DBPM > 2. Was THE guy for Duke coming down the stretch and led them to an Elite Eight appearance. Incremental improvements every month.

Similar to how Haliburton was the antithesis of foul generation in college but has MONSTER shooting numbers, an elite distributor, and was excellent on defense. Fast forward to today and he's STILL a bad foul generator, but the other parts of his game cover for that aspect.

Tyrese Maxey was a good foul generator at Kentucky (despite being off ball), a fantastic shooter at the basket (shot an excellent percentage unassisted at the basket on good volume). So it's not surprising he has become a good foul generator in the pros regardless of how Doc used (or misused) him in his rookie season.

[ProcessDoctor]

And a .204 FTr as a rookie. Looks like it didn't improve!

Should we start shopping him this summer, or at the deadline?

I can't imagine he'll improve like Maxey, who somehow went from .163 as a rookie to .265 last year.

Nope, I liked him going into the draft. Was able to realize that foul generation wasn't really his thing but he did a lot of other things great, particularly for the 16th pick of the draft. Was able to realize that you're not going to get a perfect prospect at that pick, but his shooting profile was elite, had a STL% >= 2.0, OBPM > 4, DBPM > 2. Was THE guy for Duke coming down the stretch and led them to an Elite Eight appearance. Incremental improvements every month.

Similar to how Haliburton was the antithesis of foul generation in college but has MONSTER shooting numbers, an elite distributor, and was excellent on defense. Fast forward to today and he's STILL a bad foul generator, but the other parts of his game cover for that aspect.

Tyrese Maxey was a good foul generator at Kentucky (despite being off ball), a fantastic shooter at the basket (shot an excellent percentage unassisted at the basket on good volume). So it's not surprising he has become a good foul generator in the pros regardless of how Doc used (or misused) him in his rookie season.

Don't want to derail the Jared McCain thread, but I'm glad you mentioned Haliburton (career .203) and Maxey again (.247). Thankfully, they are just two examples of guys who have gone on to have successful NBA careers, despite career FTA rates less than .300.

I think it's important to mention Anthony Edwards (.276), Jaylen Brown (.260), Jalen Williams (.241), Scottie Barnes (.257), Franz Wagner (.269), and Cade Cunningham (.220) as All-Stars who missed the .300 mark. Jayson Tatum (.304) just barely missed the cut.

Hopefully, this bodes well for McCain, Maxey, and anyone we select at #3.

Edit: I didn't realize PG's career FTr is .286 and Kawhi's is .308. Good to have more examples showing it's not the end-all star metric.

[Negrodamus]

Should we start shopping him this summer, or at the deadline?

I can't imagine he'll improve like Maxey, who somehow went from .163 as a rookie to .265 last year.

Nope, I liked him going into the draft. Was able to realize that foul generation wasn't really his thing but he did a lot of other things great, particularly for the 16th pick of the draft. Was able to realize that you're not going to get a perfect prospect at that pick, but his shooting profile was elite, had a STL% >= 2.0, OBPM > 4, DBPM > 2. Was THE guy for Duke coming down the stretch and led them to an Elite Eight appearance. Incremental improvements every month.

Similar to how Haliburton was the antithesis of foul generation in college but has MONSTER shooting numbers, an elite distributor, and was excellent on defense. Fast forward to today and he's STILL a bad foul generator, but the other parts of his game cover for that aspect.

Tyrese Maxey was a good foul generator at Kentucky (despite being off ball), a fantastic shooter at the basket (shot an excellent percentage unassisted at the basket on good volume). So it's not surprising he has become a good foul generator in the pros regardless of how Doc used (or misused) him in his rookie season.

Don't want to derail the Jared McCain thread, but I'm glad you mentioned Haliburton (and Maxey again). Thankfully, they are just two examples of guys who have gone on to have successful NBA careers, despite having career FTA rates less than .300.

I think it's important to mention Anthony Edwards (.276), Jaylen Brown (.260), Jalen Williams (.241), Scottie Barnes (.257), Franz Wagner (.269), and Cade Cunningham (.220) in this category as well. Jayson Tatum (.304) just barely missed the cut.

Hopefully, this bodes well for McCain, Maxey, and anyone we select at #3.

All the guys you just mentioned right there were >.300 FTr coming out of college. It's a different game in the NBA; can't compare advanced stats from an NCAA season to an NBA season. Hope this helps.

[ProcessDoctor]

Nope, I liked him going into the draft. Was able to realize that foul generation wasn't really his thing but he did a lot of other things great, particularly for the 16th pick of the draft. Was able to realize that you're not going to get a perfect prospect at that pick, but his shooting profile was elite, had a STL% >= 2.0, OBPM > 4, DBPM > 2. Was THE guy for Duke coming down the stretch and led them to an Elite Eight appearance. Incremental improvements every month.

Similar to how Haliburton was the antithesis of foul generation in college but has MONSTER shooting numbers, an elite distributor, and was excellent on defense. Fast forward to today and he's STILL a bad foul generator, but the other parts of his game cover for that aspect.

Tyrese Maxey was a good foul generator at Kentucky (despite being off ball), a fantastic shooter at the basket (shot an excellent percentage unassisted at the basket on good volume). So it's not surprising he has become a good foul generator in the pros regardless of how Doc used (or misused) him in his rookie season.

Don't want to derail the Jared McCain thread, but I'm glad you mentioned Haliburton (and Maxey again). Thankfully, they are just two examples of guys who have gone on to have successful NBA careers, despite having career FTA rates less than .300.

I think it's important to mention Anthony Edwards (.276), Jaylen Brown (.260), Jalen Williams (.241), Scottie Barnes (.257), Franz Wagner (.269), and Cade Cunningham (.220) in this category as well. Jayson Tatum (.304) just barely missed the cut.

Hopefully, this bodes well for McCain, Maxey, and anyone we select at #3.

All the guys you just mentioned right there were >.300 FTr coming out of college. It's a different game in the NBA; can't compare advanced stats from an NCAA season to an NBA season. Hope this helps.

Gotcha, thanks.

Sorry, I was confused since you brought up McCain's rookie FTA rates in comparison to his college one.

[Negrodamus]

Don't want to derail the Jared McCain thread, but I'm glad you mentioned Haliburton (and Maxey again). Thankfully, they are just two examples of guys who have gone on to have successful NBA careers, despite having career FTA rates less than .300.

I think it's important to mention Anthony Edwards (.276), Jaylen Brown (.260), Jalen Williams (.241), Scottie Barnes (.257), Franz Wagner (.269), and Cade Cunningham (.220) in this category as well. Jayson Tatum (.304) just barely missed the cut.

Hopefully, this bodes well for McCain, Maxey, and anyone we select at #3.

All the guys you just mentioned right there were >.300 FTr coming out of college. It's a different game in the NBA; can't compare advanced stats from an NCAA season to an NBA season. Hope this helps.

Gotcha, thanks.

Sorry, I was confused since you brought up McCain's rookie FTA rates in comparison to his college ones.

Was more pointing out that FTr doesn't generally improve from college to pros particularly if you weren't good at it at that level. I'm not saying it NEVER improves (off the top of my head Donovan Mitchell was a .250 something and has been a decent FTr in the pros), but it rarely happens. I fully acknowledge these guys aren't robots and some exceed expectations or fall short. The stats are there to show tendencies to help you predict who you think will be good.

[Phillybul]

I’ve been impressed with McCain. What an unfortunate injury. Definitely had a chance at winning ROY. I was kind of neutral on him being our pick. Saw Seth Curry which isn’t bad but not top 16th pick. His ability to finish at the rim as a below the rim scorer? Splendid. The floaters are so nice. He knows how to navigate to the basket even. I love how he seems to find open spots where he passes and resets to another spot for the shot.

What separates him from Maxey imo is his playmaking out of the pick and roll. Maxey seems to look for his bucket more whereas McCain has a knack to know when to score or pass. And he can dime guys up. He has a great attitude so I expect him to come back year 2 where he left off.