Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

What can the Sixers do now to get another top role player?

Will they have to trade Reed to open up cap space


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We don't know. I imagine you know as much as we do about what's going to happen.

[sixers hoops]

Perhaps we plan to split the remaining cap into 2 players. Right now it's $9.2m if we cut or trade away BBall.

But add $1.1m open roster cap hold if we use it on 2 players instead of just 1. So it's $10.3m for 2 players. Which is just over $5m per player, around $1.8m above the vet min of $3.3m (which Eric Gordon got).

That could make the difference for guys looking at vet min, we can pay 2 of them $1.8m more.

I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Morey is waiting on, we can outbid vet min for 2 guys.

I watch the Sixers much more than I follow the entire league. I haven’t seen a lot of these guys in a while, so I can really accurately value each player.

Nevertheless, despite the lack of fit, you give DeRozan what you can and figure the rest out later. He is a no-brainer, but not very realistic to come here.

Miles Bridges prob isn’t an option. And we can assume that Trent and Nurse might not want a reunion.

There is really not many options left that would be worth dumping $9 million on. Maybe see if you can offer some of the guys considering the vet minimum 3-4 million.

[Covi_Marsh]

Bucks gotta be desperate. Only a couple 100,000 under the 2nd apron and still gotta fill out the roster. They have no means to get better without using draft capital. Only positive assets they have they could move are Bobby Portis and maybe Khris Middleton. I think they would definitely move Portis but they need to get lose 10 million. Moving him for a 1st and Reed won’t get them out of the 1st apron to get a TMLE.

[Arsenal]

I think a trade for DFS is unlikely. Swapping in his $14.9m salary for BBall's $7.7m takes us up to $167.5m for 8 guys. Add $4m for McCain and it's $171.5m for 9 guys.

Sign 5 vet mins for about $2m tax impact each to get to the min 14 man roster and you're around $182m which is OVER the 1st Apron of $178m.

Therefore it's very unlikely we get DFS. Or anyone else around $15m. I only see us using the avail cap of $9.2m if we cut Reed, and even that puts us super close to the 1st Apron. DFS' $15m contract is way too big.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/overview/_/year/2024

Sorry, but what happens if we’re over the first apron? Do we have to suffer any of the penalties for this season?

There are penalties but it’s not a death sentence like being over the 2nd Apron. The issue is making an unbalanced trade of Reed for DFS automatically hard caps us at the 1st Apron. So realistically we need to plan to not go over it.

[Covi_Marsh]

There are no good free agent forward left…

Caleb Martin

CLE HOU IND MEM are the 4 competitive teams that still have their TMLE. I’d assume he’d get a 3/30 or 3/36 from one of those 4 unless they’re close to the 1st apron or luxuary and their owners are cheap.

[Black Mage]

Just listened to PHLY - Bodner said the motion likely move Morey makes is cut Reed and use the 9 mil to make one more move. The next move would be to sign Martin to a large amount; then trade Martin during the season to bring in one more big contract/name.

If the Sixers traded Reed for more money they become hard cap and it would prevent the Martin move.

So taking all that; it sounds like we're going to be sitting tight and Reed is likely to be cut to give us 9 mil versus 2 mil to use on a player.

[Covi_Marsh]

Also rumors that Miami is offering Caleb 5/60. After not getting anyone and Spida signing that extension, theirs only really resign Caleb or sign&trade for Derozen left for them at the wings

[mjkvol]

Do you guys from Philly think cheesesteaks are cringe? I can't imagine living in a city that's most known for a sandwich.

As a sandwich, no, they’re great now and again. But I get irritated when every single nationally televised game in any sport has the obligatory shot of some guy making a cheesesteak at a tourist location. We have excellent restaurants here, maybe leave off the cheesesteak reference just once?

The other annoying Philly fan reference that I’m sick of is that some time in the last century before 90% of us were born, some Eagles fans apoarently threw snowballs at some raggedy-ass Santa Claus. Enough already.

I was alive for the snow ball incident. I think I was like 10 or 11 when that happened. I've also experienced some of the most amazing, electric crowds in all of sports. I watched Ricky Jordan hit a grand slam against the Dodgers in Veterans stadium and have never quite experienced anything as awesome in terms of sporting events since then. I've been to games at the Spectrum where Charles Barkley literally took entire games over. I don't know...Like I said, it's ignorance on people who don't know any better.

I've said it to people from other cities a million times - there is no sports crowd like a Philly crowd when they are all in behind a team. I was at Sixers-Celtics regular season games at the Spectrum (greatest arena ever!) in the '80's that were just electric, and went to late season Phillies games at the Vet in 1980 and 1993 - there's just a sound that Philly crowds generate that I've only ever heard similar at Neyland Stadium at UT.

The cheesesteak and Santa snow ball stuff are typical national media "journalistic" laziness, and given that most of the national media is centered in NYC, they are nice, easy cheap shots at Philly.

[ProcessDoctor]

There are no good free agent forward left…

Caleb Martin

Meh was thinking of a bigger forward. He's fine and I would take him to start at the 2 between Maxey/George. I'm just not sold on the Paul George at the 4 move.

[MikRay]

Paul George is 6 foot eight, 220 pounds with a huge wingspan. I suppose he could play PF in the modern NBA it’s not there are a ton of Karl Malones out there.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

As a sandwich, no, they’re great now and again. But I get irritated when every single nationally televised game in any sport has the obligatory shot of some guy making a cheesesteak at a tourist location. We have excellent restaurants here, maybe leave off the cheesesteak reference just once?

The other annoying Philly fan reference that I’m sick of is that some time in the last century before 90% of us were born, some Eagles fans apoarently threw snowballs at some raggedy-ass Santa Claus. Enough already.

I was alive for the snow ball incident. I think I was like 10 or 11 when that happened. I've also experienced some of the most amazing, electric crowds in all of sports. I watched Ricky Jordan hit a grand slam against the Dodgers in Veterans stadium and have never quite experienced anything as awesome in terms of sporting events since then. I've been to games at the Spectrum where Charles Barkley literally took entire games over. I don't know...Like I said, it's ignorance on people who don't know any better.

I've said it to people from other cities a million times - there is no sports crowd like a Philly crowd when they are all in behind a team. I was at Sixers-Celtics regular season games in the '80's that were just electric, and went to late season Phillies games at the Vet in 1980 and 1993 - there's just a sound that Philly crowds generate that I've only ever heard similar at Neyland Stadium at UT.

The cheesesteak and Santa snow ball stuff are typical national media "journalistic" laziness, and given that most of the national media is centered in NYC, they are nice, easy cheap shots at Philly.

I got that Santa snowball thing confused with another time. I'm a 90s kid and I seem to remember it happening then too in a home game against the Cowboys or Giants. It doesn't matter because I personally watched Buffalo fans chuck ice balls at the Miami Dolphin players all game two years ago. Nobody said a thing about that.
At any rate, I've been to quite a few different sporting events/stadiums around the country. Nothing captures or has come close to the energy and love I have felt at Philly event. I've been to a handful of Phillies games and they were the best back in the day. 1993 as well to be specific. I think I went to three Phillies game that year and every one of them were awesome.

[sixers hoops]

Just listened to PHLY - Bodner said the motion likely move Morey makes is cut Reed and use the 9 mil to make one more move. The next move would be to sign Martin to a large amount; then trade Martin during the season to bring in one more big contract/name.

If the Sixers traded Reed for more money they become hard cap and it would prevent the Martin move.

So taking all that; it sounds like we're going to be sitting tight and Reed is likely to be cut to give us 9 mil versus 2 mil to use on a player.

After Hollinger floated this idea yesterday, everyone is predicting it now. It doesn’t seem like anybody heard it is happening as much as people are running with the idea after Hollinger said it. I heard the Hollinger suggestion last night, then Liberty Ballers had an article suggesting it this morning, then Derek mentioned it on his podcast. Seems like it’s just making the rounds.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I don't think we're trading Reed. I think we need to resign KJ Martin too. I think some good vet min options are going to open up as the summer moves on.

[sixers hoops]

Paul George is 6 foot eight, 220 pounds with a huge wingspan. I suppose he could play PF in the modern NBA it’s not there are a ton of Karl Malones out there.

The estimate I saw said he played 86% of his minutes at PF last season.

[MikRay]

Paul George is 6 foot eight, 220 pounds with a huge wingspan. I suppose he could play PF in the modern NBA it’s not there are a ton of Karl Malones out there.

The estimate I saw said he played 86% of his minutes at PF last season.

There ya go

[Kobblehead]

Paul George played 86% of his minutes at PF.
LeBron James played 86% of his minutes at PF.
Jalen Williams played 84% of his minutes at PF.
Jimmy Butler played 74% of his minutes at PF.
Jayson Tatum played 72% of his minutes at PF.

Big wings play the 4, that's just how the modern NBA works.

[sixers hoops]

Paul George is 6 foot eight, 220 pounds with a huge wingspan. I suppose he could play PF in the modern NBA it’s not there are a ton of Karl Malones out there.

The estimate I saw said he played 86% of his minutes at PF last season.

There ya go

Just saw another site that had it at 31%. I don’t know how they determine his exact position at each time he checks into the game.

[mjkvol]

I was alive for the snow ball incident. I think I was like 10 or 11 when that happened. I've also experienced some of the most amazing, electric crowds in all of sports. I watched Ricky Jordan hit a grand slam against the Dodgers in Veterans stadium and have never quite experienced anything as awesome in terms of sporting events since then. I've been to games at the Spectrum where Charles Barkley literally took entire games over. I don't know...Like I said, it's ignorance on people who don't know any better.

I've said it to people from other cities a million times - there is no sports crowd like a Philly crowd when they are all in behind a team. I was at Sixers-Celtics regular season games in the '80's that were just electric, and went to late season Phillies games at the Vet in 1980 and 1993 - there's just a sound that Philly crowds generate that I've only ever heard similar at Neyland Stadium at UT.

The cheesesteak and Santa snow ball stuff are typical national media "journalistic" laziness, and given that most of the national media is centered in NYC, they are nice, easy cheap shots at Philly.

I got that Santa snowball thing confused with another time. I'm a 90s kid and I seem to remember it happening then too in a home game against the Cowboys or Giants. It doesn't matter because I personally watched Buffalo fans chuck ice balls at the Miami Dolphin players all game two years ago. Nobody said a thing about that.
At any rate, I've been to quite a few different sporting events/stadiums around the country. Nothing captures or has come close to the energy and love I have felt at Philly event. I've been to a handful of Phillies games and they were the best back in the day. 1993 as well to be specific. I think I went to three Phillies game that year and every one of them were awesome.

The Santa snowball game was in 1968 - the Eagles were awful, but not awful enough to get the 1st pick in the next draft, who would be OJ Simpson. The crowd was in a foul mood with the terrible football and weather, and the Eagles threw a pick six right before halftime. At the half they had some kind of Christmas thing with a terrible, skinny Santa, and a few people threw snowballs, and it just became a barrage, actually really funny except for the Santa, who took cover under the sleigh. Howard Cosell showed the highlights nationally, and the rest is history.

I remember in the '90's or early '00's the fans at Giants Stadium throwing a ton of snowballs at the players in a meaningless late season game, and the national media circled the wagons and said that the people throwing the snowballs weren't really Giants fans, but people who had gotten tickets from Giants fans. You know, because of how 'classy' NY fans are.

[stormi]

Paul George played 86% of his minutes at PF.
LeBron James played 86% of his minutes at PF.
Jalen Williams played 84% of his minutes at PF.
Jimmy Butler played 74% of his minutes at PF.
Jayson Tatum played 72% of his minutes at PF.

Big wings play the 4, that's just how the modern NBA works.

You listed three teams here that made it a priority to get bigger in the offseason:

MIA -> Drafted Ware and want Bam at the four.
LAL -> Pursued Valanciunas / want another big alongside Davis.
OKC -> Gave Hartenstein a bag, want Chet playing the 4 and the 5.

One team (LAC) that was fundamentally built poorly and exploitable by any opposition that had size

And one team (BOS) that have two jumbo guards at the 1 and the 2 (White/Holiday) there to alleviate the risk of being outmatched physically and while still having Horford (6'9), Kristaps (7'2) and Hauser (7'2) there to allow line-up versatility amongst their core players.

There is no logical pathway to a championship with Paul George being the tallest player on this roster that can provide minutes alongside Joel Embiid.

So Paul Reed and Andre Drummond do not count.

[Covi_Marsh]

Basketball is positionless. If Kawhi guards the better wing majority of the game then by default George is on the PF.

Julius Randle
Banchero
Siakim
Tatum
Mobley

I can live with George matchup. Mobley and Randle have sinse but they don’t have stretch 5s to pull embiid from the paint.

Giannis will be guarded by Embiid. We should be okay if we just load up on another wing. For now anyway. Would have to find PF depth before deadline.