Sixers Offseason Thread Part 5

[ProcessDoctor]

No I don't know he's a loser. I'm against the whole winner/loser talking points when it comes to sports, I think it's stupid and illogical. We pick and choose which wins matter and which don't. Dude has won so many games in this league, but they don't count, only the playoff losses count. It makes no sense.

Just like last year scoring 40 points in the playoffs for the Sixers twice, including two super clutch shots... those don't count, just the game 7. It's all so stupid. All playoff games count the same. You don't get to game 7's unless you win previous games in the series.

These are just baseless narratives sports fans have blindly come to accept because they have agendas against players and want to trash them. But they don't stand up to scrutiny.

100% agree on the overblown narrative bull in the NBA. Harden is a top-40, maybe even top-30 NBA player of all-time, and internet dweebs and the media so easily label him as a choker and loser. Like what the hell are we actually saying?

LeBron was a "loser" until he joined Miami. Giannis has lost several bad series, but he's untouchable because he snuck in one chip.

I don't think the overall culture of how fans and the media define NBA players will change anytime soon but it's nice to hear a perspective not so engrained in it.

Outside of the very tip-top of all-time greats (i.e. top-15ish), every star needs breaks to go their way to "break through", whether thats injury luck, shot luck, favorable opponent/matchup/bracket. There's a great amount of luck involved in winning whether people want to admit it or not.

Edit: last point. If Embiid wins a chip here, with the rest of his resume, he creeps into the top-30 all-time as well. He wins 2, and he's already in Hakeem/Durant territory.

[FireMorey]

And to shift the discussion back to Embiid. Embiid could average 45ppg in a playoff series in games 1-6 and single handedly carry his team to 3 wins in a series by dominating on both ends of the floor. And do it all on a mangled knee. But if he has a game 7 where he scores like 22 points on 7-20 shooting after averaging 45ppg through game 6, he'll be labeled a "loser."

....yeah

so would alot of stars

comes with the territory.

Tatum was getting clowned after winning ffs lol.

Fair or not....until Biid "breaks through" he will continue to get **** THE very moment he has a bad night. Luka carried the Mavs to the finals but was getting called a fat piece of **** as they lost games.

Well that's the entirety of my point. That it isn't fair. And isn't logical. Of course fans are "gonna do what they do" but also I'm going to call out nonsense when I see it and hear it. They're entitled to say it and I'm entitled to call it moronic.

[NYSixersFan]

Bringing back Lowry and signing Jackson for the minimum was good. Makes me feel better overall. Still need a PF...

I wasn't in favor of PG, but overall....Morey did fairly well.

[jstross]

I like the PG signing, but not the amount and length. He seemed the best available to move the needle so I'm OK with it.
I like the off season a lot so far, but really need to add a 4 at some point.

Bringing back Lowry and signing Jackson for the minimum was good. Makes me feel better overall. Still need a PF...

I wasn't in favor of PG, but overall....Morey did fairly well.

[mjkvol]

Otherwise you wouldn't have brought up Jimmy Butler. A guy who takes entire regular seasons off just to be ready for the playoffs. A guy who rubs every locker room he's ever been in the wrong way. A guy who gets into spats with his coaches and talks trash after playoff series he's lost. Apparently those things don't matter. Nor does when he was on the Sixers and just randomly decided to not shoot 3's all year out of some bizarre silent protest against Ben Simmons and the coaching, actively hurting the team.

Is this the same Jimmy Butler whose trade caused you to disavow your Sixers fandom forever?

[the_process]

Joel didn't need to say anything. People need to learn to shut up sometimes. Don't care he's on a podcast or whatever. Just mumble something about congrats Boston and move on to the next question.

"Better to remain silent and appear a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." - Samuel Langhorne Clemens

[76ciology]

Full interview here...

Watch on YouTube

How do you feel about it? Im just halfway

[FireMorey]

Otherwise you wouldn't have brought up Jimmy Butler. A guy who takes entire regular seasons off just to be ready for the playoffs. A guy who rubs every locker room he's ever been in the wrong way. A guy who gets into spats with his coaches and talks trash after playoff series he's lost. Apparently those things don't matter. Nor does when he was on the Sixers and just randomly decided to not shoot 3's all year out of some bizarre silent protest against Ben Simmons and the coaching, actively hurting the team.

Is this the same Jimmy Butler whose trade caused you to disavow your Sixers fandom forever?

I love Jimmy Butler. But I'm also not going to prop him up as some poster boy for being an epic winner to paint Harden as a loser either.

[76ciology]

Here's my take on Joel Embiid's interview on that podcast:

First, the host isn't good. As Embiid's trainer, he focuses on individualistic topics and asks a lot of dumb questions, like who's the best in one-on-one or who would win between specific players in one-on-one matchups. The host also seeks praise for his role in training Embiid. The conversation often involves putting others down or highlighting specific situations to make Embiid look better, such as emphasizing that he's a late bloomer or that he plays through knee drains after every game. Hypothetical questions, like how much he'd average if double-teaming were not allowed, are also common. Overall, the interview is filled with nonsense questions that make a confident player like Embiid come across as egomaniacal.

P.S. surprised Embiid wanted Josh Jackson in that 2017 draft

[eyeatoma]

Full interview here...

Watch on YouTube

How do you feel about it? Im just halfway

As I said, I appreciate the honesty, but I came away from it a little concerned about why he pushed himself to play in the post season when he knew he wasn't reayd. Just makes me worried for if he has the chance of reinjury in the Olympics, or is gimpy during the start of the regular season.

I also don't think he's ready to lower his scoring load. Him talking about averaging 50 ppg with no double teams, and being the best scorer of all time, makes me think that he won't let up. So there are some concerns.

[76ciology]

Speaking of Jimmy, he's an excellent player for both Maxey and Paul George to learn from. Butler was a good fit for Jojo because he often plays at 50% effort when there's no pressure, conserving his energy for crucial moments. This contrasts with Embiid, who likes to be aggressive early to get his defenders into foul trouble, often leaving him exhausted down the stretch.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Speaking of Jimmy, he's an excellent player for both Maxey and Paul George to learn from. Butler was a good fit for Jojo because he often plays at 50% effort when there's no pressure, conserving his energy for crucial moments. This contrasts with Embiid, who likes to be aggressive early to get his defenders into foul trouble, often leaving him exhausted down the stretch.

I guess so. ... Currently the formula should be role players that can hang and the big 3 close the rest. Embiid,George and Maxey is lethal offense so that should blow Jimmy's conservative til 4th quarter approach out the window.

[mjkvol]

Otherwise you wouldn't have brought up Jimmy Butler. A guy who takes entire regular seasons off just to be ready for the playoffs. A guy who rubs every locker room he's ever been in the wrong way. A guy who gets into spats with his coaches and talks trash after playoff series he's lost. Apparently those things don't matter. Nor does when he was on the Sixers and just randomly decided to not shoot 3's all year out of some bizarre silent protest against Ben Simmons and the coaching, actively hurting the team.

Is this the same Jimmy Butler whose trade caused you to disavow your Sixers fandom forever?

I love Jimmy Butler. But I'm also not going to prop him up as some poster boy for being an epic winner to paint Harden as a loser either.

I just found it kind of funny in an odd way.

BTW, I don't disagree with your takes on the term "loser" and I'll add "choker" to that. It's very easy for fans and media to place labels based on low hanging fruit-type results when there are so many variables generally involved in any result.

But I'll continue to maintain that I'm not a believer in how Embiid goes about his off seasons, especially as he is getting older. He just seems too self satisfied and comfortable being surrounded by sycophantic yes-men who tell him how great he is instead of really taking a look in the mirror and focusing on getting his his body in condition and things that will help the team (and him!) to win that elusive championship.

Which is the one and only thing that would change the entire narrative that the national media and fans around the league have about him - if that even matters to him. He can win scoring titles and MVP's for the rest of time while being a social media troll, and while he'll be a first ballot HOFer, the perception by the NBA world outside of Philly will never change if the Sixers remain 2nd-round fodder.

[ivysixer2000]

For me, I just think Jojo and PG are doing too much talking. Have we heard Maxey doing all this talking? Nope, he's probably at the gym putting in work.

I do wish Jojo wasn't on the Olympic team, just cause of his injury history alone. The only good thing that could come out of it, if he's healthy, at least he will come into the season in better shape.

[Stanford]

For me, I just think Jojo and PG are doing too much talking. Have we heard Maxey doing all this talking? Nope, he's probably at the gym putting in work.

You can literally watch Joel playing basketball this summer

[LeonJordanJr24]

For me, I just think Jojo and PG are doing too much talking. Have we heard Maxey doing all this talking? Nope, he's probably at the gym putting in work.

I do wish Jojo wasn't on the Olympic team, just cause of his injury history alone. The only good thing that could come out of it, if he's healthy, at least he will come into the season in better shape.

They can't talk for 5-10 mins and work lol ???

[ivysixer2000]

Like I said, its just me. Trolling guys then talking about it to the media is just weird to me, especially when trolling Tatum who just won a ring. Some people like it, I do not, seems like he's talking out the side of his neck and just plain jealous.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Jealousy?? I'll give Embiid and George benefit of the doubt that they aren't little girls . Maybe they hate Boston as a rival and adversary. Maybe they say things to stir up competition. Jealious umm imma say no. I think we want to win a chip and know we gotta go through Boston and who ever.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Davis bertans should be a 76er rn.

[Iverson Armband]

Davis bertans should be a 76er rn.

Without ever seeing you, I can guarantee you are a better rebounder than Bertans. No thank you.