The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[76ciology]

The 2 things that deter me from Biedrins is his contract + his injuries.

His contract is $9 mil flat until 2013/2014 (last year is player option). It is a reasonable contract IF he is healthy. He runs the floor well and provides a great defensive presence. However, he has limited offensive game down the post or in terms of his shooting (?). He can provide what Dalembert provided us, but with a better attitude.

But if I was the Warriors management, I wouldn't really be open to trade him for Iggy unless I am getting some defensive bigs in return as well. Then again...it IS the Warriors and they are known to blow up whatever is going good!

I've been suggesting this trade for quite some time already. I really think that Biedrins is a guy who fit the bill at our C position. He's a guy who can anchor our rebounding and interior defense. I also think he and EB42 complements one another.

His contract sucks. But something's gotta give.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

1/2/3 look pretty good. Brand is a big question mark but he if can give us atleast 15/8 this year thats good enough to hold that position down. We have Speights as well.
I think Spencer Hawes is the key to all of this. I think he's either going to be really good or really bad for us. If he plays well then we are a playoff team.

[51X3RF4N]

Apparently now the guy over at PSD is saying that Iggy's getting traded for a Center after the free agency period begins.

WTF? Jefferson?

That is the only one I can remotely think of that makes any kind of sense.

Jrue/Lou
Turner/Meeks
Thad/Nocioni
Brand/Speights
Jefferson/Hawes

[PhillyFan]

Golden State did drafted Udoh at #6, so I guess it IS possible they may give us Biedrins in a trade

I hope we can at least bring a big in...I am not sold on Spencer Hawes as our starter when the season begins

Which brings the question, have the Sixers decided what to do with the summer league team/roster yet? I hope it's not like last year where they split the team with Orlando.

[Kobblehead]

Biedrins is absolutely terrible and due $36 million over the next 4 years. That would be a catastrophic acquisition.

[is1531]

Iguodala was never part of anything close to a deal yesterday.

The 76ers brass should hang their heads in shame for doing nothing yesterday, considering they look like a 36 win team next year. It's a waste of time loooking for a back up center, when your still missing 2 pieces to the starting puzzle. You build the starting team first, then filter in the role players. Ed is as bad as it gets as a GM. Only a stroke of luck from God gave us Turner, then these clowns stand around and don't follow up. I heard on the radio yesterday whre Ed talked about possibly doing something after free agency. That's right Ed, take your time and go to Las Vegas for 3 weeks and cool off from your hard night's work.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

40 wins is the WORST place to be.

Not enough for a franchise player
Not good enough for a ring.

Not good enough for a true diehard sixers fan! You shouldn't be aiming for 40 wins, we've been there done that these past couple of years.

[The Guilty Party]

40 wins is the WORST place to be.

Not enough for a franchise player
Not good enough for a ring.

Not good enough for a true diehard sixers fan! You shouldn't be aiming for 40 wins, we've been there done that these past couple of years.

Meh. You're right... a true Sixer die-hard wants to spend another season getting upset when his team wins. Get out of here with that garbage! If this were an aging team, I would agree that mediocrity breeds mediocrity but we have SOOOO many young players that this team will improve simply because it's players will be getting better.

Moves need to be made but this team isn't going to be turned into a contender overnight.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

No, it's not and that's not what I mean. Would I be happy with 40 wins on a young team, where Jrue and the gang are getting minutes? Yes.

I'm not happy with the retooling. The Nocioni's, the Iguodala's, the Brand's. I think once we fire Stefanski, we'll be on the right path. the OKC Path. Presti owned the draft last night.

[ZarcMumoff]

Let Thad's lowered value turn into a reasonable salary when we re-sign him. Nocionoi is not part of this team's future... Thad Young is. These are the current players on this roster who are relevant to the future- and there are plenty of minutes for them long term:

Jrue/Iguodala/Turner (starters)
Thad/Speights/Lou (Key reserves, ? starter potential)
Meeks, Hawes (possible reserves)

These player are placeholders who will be gone before or soon after the lock-out:
Brand/Nocioni/Green/Kapono

Minutes for the last group should not enter the conversation when thinking about keeping the 1st group. we need to think about who should be around when this team is peaking. not how to shore up this year's frontcourt for a 1st round playoff run...

I agree. Why can't we re-sign Young? We should have more than enough money if we keep Kapono and Green and let them expire that we won't be near the luxury tax. Only other salary that could go up is Hawes because he is a restricted FA like Thad.

Re-sign Thad. I'm 100% sure he has a great year this year, and he improves on D with Collins' help. If he is showing promise throughout the season, then we can trade Iguodala to a contender.

[corwin]

SF,
I've enjoyed the information & the talk that follows most of the information that you give us & I would never question your sincerity on the info that you pass on to us. It just seems that whenever the mention of Iguodala getting traded comes up, the immediate Pavlovian answer from your friend is that he isn't on the table & that Young is being moved for a big. This seems illogical for multiple reasons that have been discussed on this & other Philly boards ad nauseum & it also really seems like the company line to me. I'm sure you trust your source but do you think it's possible he's feeding you misinformation on this one issue?

[Skates]

No, it's not and that's not what I mean. Would I be happy with 40 wins on a young team, where Jrue and the gang are getting minutes? Yes.

I'm not happy with the retooling. The Nocioni's, the Iguodala's, the Brand's. I think once we fire Stefanski, we'll be on the right path. the OKC Path. Presti owned the draft last night.

Without going into this for the millionth time, Iggy clearly does not belong in the Nocioni-Brand grouping.

Presti owned the draft? Sure, he's a damn good GM. His best move of the night, doing whatever it took to get Cole Aldritch at the 11th pick, yet if we did that you would be blowing us out of the water because it would have cost Thad (who was likely valued lower than the package that got the 11th pick).

Presti will also not have nearly as easy of a time of it once Durant, Westbrook and possibly Jeff Green are eating up their cap room. He will still be far better than Stefanski, but then again so are most dead people.

Part of the hold-up yesterday (and the last several years) on grabbing scond round draft picks was also Comcast's unwillingness to spend money to buy picks like other teams do.

Truthfully, after Monroe went to Detroit, the only guys I was interested in were Aldritch and Patterson, maybe Sanders. Once they went off the board, meh, I was really not impressed with much left on the board.

[radrmd216]

If it seems having Turner and Iguodala together on the court doesnt work..then maybe they move him later. But Collins wants to see it on the court..he thinks defensively..there will be no team better at the 1/2/3 on D. We obviously have to address center and Stefanski and collins know that.

I think Iggy should be traded, but maybe I think he has more value aroudn the league than he really does. If the Sixers think they can get the same value for Iggy later, when conditions would make you think otherwise (CBA, Iggy's contract, less teams with money to spend) than he must not have high value.

I still don't think the "experiment" with Jrue, Turner, and Iggy is worth it though. I would think there is one team that would give good value for Iggy.

[Gsraider]

Does this kind of piss anyone else off?

"We're not done," Collins said. "A situation for us would be if you move a guy to a team with cap space, you don't have to take anything back. It opens up some opportunities for us have some more versatility."

It kind of explains why no more picks were acquired last night and suggests trades will only be really considered if shedding salary is the key. Regardless of what they are selling regarding the Dalembert trade, this was a primary factor and probably will be in anything they look at with guys like Lou, Young, and Iguodala.

[PhillyRocks1]

Do people actually expect after a 27 win season to just snap your fingers and produce a championship? Trading Iguodala would be the dumbest thing they could do unless getting some kind of impact player back.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Understand this: If you traded Thad Young for Aldrich, you lost that trade. Period. Unless you win title. So, tell me, do you think we win the title in the next 5 years? That's what you need to win trade.

Sam Presti gave up a bunch of low level picks and got an excellent back-up center in Aldrich, he didn't go over the top for the guy, he didn't trade an NBA-Ready player like we were primed to do.

This was a top-5 draft. After that, you scramble for who you think are starters. Aldrich isn't a starter, but he's a guy that's going to give you minutes. Excellent job by Presti, would've been horrible if we gave up an NBA-Ready player like Thad for a back-up 5.

[Gsraider]

Do people actually expect after a 27 win season to just snap your fingers and produce a championship? Trading Iguodala would be the dumbest thing they could do unless getting some kind of impact player back.

Totally agree, but after my last post with the quote from Collins, I guess we shouldn't be surprised if he's traded for something that entails less salary coming back. I suppose that could wind up being better, but that's not easy to do.

[Dedicated_76ers_fan]

Now if it were a player of Greg Monroe's caliber, I wouldn't have minded. Or Hassan Whiteside, who fell all the way to the 2nd round! At that point, you pick him up and you tell him. "Look, your skilled, but the NBA isn't about primadonnas. You gotta go in and execute"

[SouthJersey]

People might as well give up on the idea of Andre Iguodala getting traded. Collins and the organization love him. Also, its pretty much been acknowledged that the Brand signing was a mistake. NO team would EVER admit their other signing was bad if they didnt have to.

[sixerfan1976]

I 100% believe that we arent shopping Iguodala right now and when I asked point blank and he said no we arent that I am not being misdirected.

I think we move Thad or Kapono.

I think there will be some down time between now and next Thursday..which works out great sinc eI am heading to the beach tomorrow for a Saturday-Saturday rental:)

For the record...Presti did an awesome job. WE need a banger just like Aldrich ..I was a huge fan of getting him. Sad it didnt work out.