***Sixerfan1976 Official Thread - Update Page 28***

[ETphoneHome12]

god i cant wait for us to just do something

[Skates]

Some of the pie in the sky open cap space numbers include us not re-signing Young. He is a favorite of the FO and Collins and an important cog to the team. He certainly could price himself out of our plans, but otherwise he is being re-signed and those cap fihures people keep throwing out are therefore basd on a very unlikely scenario (Young not resigned) that would also make this team a less desirable landing spot for any discerning FA.

Howard is going to land in a major media market and/or a team with another superstar. Even in its best years, the Sixers do not qualify as a major media market despite playing in Philly. They are the ugly stepchild behind the Eagles, Phillies and Flyers, and have to compete with some excellent NCAA basketball in town too. The only way to get a superstar here via FA is to build an extremely strong team for them to step into. This isn't New York or South Beach or Chicago, this team can't be stripped down and expect big name FA's to come calling.

[tk76]

Also, who knows what the new CBA will be like for cap and contracts-- but in 2 years Jrue has a cap hold of about 8M under the current CBA. Similarly Thad has a cap hold this summer until he is signed here or elsewhere.

[766776]

yeah i didnt mention why Kaman makes sense for sixers
because Kaman is an all-star while iggy's not (yet)

To me,Kaman is only a one-year rental for sixers to remain in playoffs but nothing more.The team may just let Kaman go even he plays well.The direction may be to get roster younger in long-term, maybe.But this year,if they dont get Kaman they cannot find another veteran(with one year left or two and Nene is not possible) who can help sixers win and fill in the starting C. I also think that having a winning season would help young players to develop as well.

Yeah i think sixers' fastbreak points getting greatly reduced,but I dont see Hawes ever fits in the up-tempo style of sixers too so Collins may get used to it by giving pressure beyond the arc defensively.And if Kaman comes,Hawes may get involved in a three-team trade(for a more energetic player)?

I see the reasons behind,but just not getting too excited as well

[steveb21]

SF, you mentioned possibly trading for a player who's been in the league for a year. Were you referring to Aminu in the Clippers deal? Or could we possibly be targeting another player...like maybe Wes Johnson?

[steveb21]

Edit: duplicate post.

[Gsraider]

You know what would be nice? How about Philly deciding to start issuing denials about trading Iguodala just like G.S. is doing with Ellis. Sure, most teams will view it as a smokescreen, but what if it wasn't? I absolutely understand why Philly is shopping Iguodala, but not if they are simply hell bent on trading him prior to the lockout at all costs. Screw the lockout (if there is one). They should continue to shop Iguodala and let it be known that he's available for the right price only. Otherwise, he doesn't strike me as the type that will cause waves and he's too good to give up for a package that you wouldn't normally accept.

[Skates]

You know what would be nice? How about Philly deciding to start issuing denials about trading Iguodala just like G.S. is doing with Ellis. Sure, most teams will view it as a smokescreen, but what if it wasn't? I absolutely understand why Philly is shopping Iguodala, but not if they are simply hell bent on trading him prior to the lockout at all costs. Screw the lockout (if there is one). They should continue to shop Iguodala and let it be known that he's available for the right price only. Otherwise, he doesn't strike me as the type that will cause waves and he's too good to give up for a package that you wouldn't normally accept.

Unlike Stefanski, Thorn is a guy who plays things out behind closed doors and isn't as interested in media coverage, especially not media rumors. I am sure the other teams know how available Iggy is and what the Sixers are looking to get for him generally, plus whatever other players they are willing to move. Thorn is an old-fashioned behind the scenes kind of guy. He really doesn't care what we are reading and wondering about, but it doesn't mean he isn't doing his job quietly and professionally.

[Foshan]

lol hope ur right!

[Gsraider]

Unlike Stefanski, Thorn is a guy who plays things out behind closed doors and isn't as interested in media coverage, especially not media rumors. I am sure the other teams know how available Iggy is and what the Sixers are looking to get for him generally, plus whatever other players they are willing to move. Thorn is an old-fashioned behind the scenes kind of guy. He really doesn't care what we are reading and wondering about, but it doesn't mean he isn't doing his job quietly and professionally.

And that's fine, so long as he doesn't have marching orders to take the best offer and trade Iguodala by the end of the month, regardless of what he thinks of the proposals. I hope there is at least flexibility to say no (for now).

[76ciology]

Thanks for the responses regarding a Kaman trade.

Your cap argument makes sense in terms of why the team wants to trade Iguodala. But I still don't see why Kaman should be the target. As I've said before- I'd rather have nothing than Kaman (say a trade exception from Cleveland + picks or young players or VC to buy out or some deal with Minny.) Actually spending value for Kaman makes zero sense for this team and risks them re-signing him or putting off other front-court additions.

The reason why Kaman is the target is not only because of his expiring contract, his serviceability, but it also makes us stay competitive next season.

Another thing is that nobody was offering us trade exemption + lotto pick or player. And this is why the Clipps package is pretty much perfect for our team.

Trade gives us:
-a player that would help us to stay competitive next season
-upgraded a much needed position
-an expiring contract that would open up around 16-18m dollars in cap space
-it also gives us a substitute player for Thad Young that would gives us the flexibility not to sign him in 2012.

It is important for us to stay competitive. Not only because of Doug Collins and EB42's sake but also because one of the conditions of these big time FAs is to sign with a winning team.

Philadelphia is shaping up to be one of the top destination for a FA in 2012 and 2013. Not only because it is one of the remaining metro area that have the money to sign them..

As the fifth-largest metro area in the country, Philadelphia has an inherent advantage over its competitors.

Seven of the eight most valuable franchises in the NBA – New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, Houston, Dallas, Miami, and Phoenix – call one of the ten-largest metro areas home.

Simply put, to be one of the richest franchises in the league, you have to be located in a big-time city. Only a few franchises have that luxury, and the Sixers are one of them.

..but they also have a winning atmosphere headed by the veteran EB42, our well respected coach in Doug Collins and our young talented backcourt of Jrue and ET. Factor all these things, and I don't think there is really that much team out there that can compete with us. With a talented supporting cast already in place, they can even have their own legacy signing with the 76ers. They aren't doing a LeBron on Wade's team.

Say we just trade Iguodala for picks and a trade excemption. DC and EB42 would asks to be out of this team. And I don't think that it would make us an attractive FA destination in 2012 or 2013.

And the Sixers having Kaman-Hawes-Vucevic next year is almost comical. I could care less what race they are. But their plodding games with teh Sxiers previously up-tempo style is terrible. If I was Jrue I'd want out.

It's not like they are going to be on the same court all at the same time. As far as I know, we weren't winning with a fast/small frontcourt of Thad/EB42. At the end of the day, we need to really have a real PF/C duo out there. It might take away our running game, but atleast it would give us better chance in winning.

[76ciology]

And yeah, two of Hawes/Vucevic/Kaman on the floor together is laughable.

What are you talking about? Who said two of that trio will be on the floor together?

[51X3RF4N]

Looks like someone was spot on. Thorn says Iggy trade is not imminent. Hopefully thats a smoke screen to get LAC or GS to up the offer in the last moments.

[sixerfan1976]

if we got kaman and vucevic...we would not have them on court on same time....same thing for hawes.

vucevic wouldnt play much this year unless kaman got hurt or traded...they would expect him to play meaningful minutes by 2012-2013.

acquiring kaman would not affect our draft strategy at all. the sixers realize he is a one year rental. That plus aminu is part of the reason that like the deal.

[underpressure]

Looks like someone was spot on. Thorn says Iggy trade is not imminent. Hopefully thats a smoke screen to get LAC or GS to up the offer in the last moments.

Hopefully this is the realisation by the management that an Iguodala trade doesn't bode us well and would be destructive for this team's success in the near and distant future.

[Gsraider]

[Hopefully this is the realisation by the management that an Iguodala trade doesn't bode us well and would be destructive for this team's success in the near and distant future.

I suppose that depends on the deal, but certainly the ones up for public consumption fit that bill.

[Gsraider]

acquiring kaman would not affect our draft strategy at all. the sixers realize he is a one year rental. That plus aminu is part of the reason that like the deal.

I realize that you are no longer dispensing new information, but do you know if Philly has no intention of keeping Kaman beyond a year or is that just speculation? Also, is Aminu someone Philly really likes going forward or is he simply viewed as insurance at the forward spot when Iguodala leaves?

[sixerfan1976]

thorn saying nothing is imminent is just posturing. IF everyone knows/thinks you are trading him at all costs...they will low ball offer.

Is it 100% that he gets traded before draft...no.....but its likely. May be today..may be tomorrow. There is no deadline but they dont want to deal with this post lockout if there is one. They want a quick resolution.

[sixerfan1976]

acquiring kaman would not affect our draft strategy at all. the sixers realize he is a one year rental. That plus aminu is part of the reason that like the deal.

I realize that you are no longer dispensing new information, but do you know if Philly has no intention of keeping Kaman beyond a year or is that just speculation? Also, is Aminu someone Philly really likes going forward or is he simply viewed as insurance at the forward spot when Iguodala leaves?

They like aminu. Figure he can play regular rotation minutes this year. Perhaps as a starter if they prefer to keep Thad off the bench as the hybrid forward. Could also keep Nocioni and play him some at SF too. Kaman gives them a trade chip or an expiring which could play well at deadline or the offseason. The expectation is they would keep their options open with Kaman but know his value is more so his expiring even though for 2011 he will sure up their center spot

[Gsraider]

Thanks SF, although if I see Nocioni start for as much as 1 minute next season, I think my head will explode. Between Kaman and Nocioni's expiring deals, I would hope that might be enough to possibly make a big move or two on its own. However, Kaman in the starting lineup is at least plausible. If Nocioni is in there, I could only imagine it's due to injuries or the alternatives would simply have to have panned out very badly.