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Is PG really a deep position in the NBA?

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Re: Is PG really a deep position in the NBA? 

Post#41 » by bedjawII » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:55 am

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76ciology wrote:FWIW, I think refs will favor defenders who will front and deny shaq the ball at the post if he plays on today's game.

I also think that today's drive and draw game is more effective in getting good looks or are better pps than post offense even with shaq. But then it's just hypothetical.

Then I think Bulls suits today's game with their read and react offense and defense anchored by their wings+rodman. I wouldn't be surprised if Pip and Jordan will try to expand their range if they play in today's game. Imagine how lethal that would be!


Shaq did exactly enough work to be a dominating player, no more no less. Feel like he would have had some more challenges in this era, but then he might have actually gotten his butt in shape all the time and worked on his game more. So maybe he has a harder time but I think he could have made the adjustments and been a better player for it.

Agreed that those bulls teams were real precursors to the modern era. They could have played whenever though.

I think you are generalizing Shaq based on his last few years. He was not only a behemoth but had great footwork and a skilled passer. He was also pretty healthy most of his career. He was so much more then just a physical presence
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Re: Is PG really a deep position in the NBA? 

Post#42 » by BoomBap » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:53 pm

young shaq would dominate in every era. He was just not human.
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Re: Is PG really a deep position in the NBA? 

Post#43 » by Negrodamus » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:57 pm

BoomBap wrote:young shaq would dominate in every era. He was just not human.


If he were on this current Sixers team, the refs would call, at minimum, 3 offensive fouls per game on him. The refs don't seem to like us very much, in my completely unbiased opinion.
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Re: Is PG really a deep position in the NBA? 

Post#44 » by shawn_hemp » Sat Dec 24, 2016 5:29 pm

It is a deep position in the league, and our point guards are definitely below average

Might have something to do with the 7-22 record we're rocking atm.

Are quality PGs hard to find? IMO, not really. The Sixers chose to be this bad
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Re: Is PG really a deep position in the NBA? 

Post#45 » by HotelVitale » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:42 pm

the_process wrote:There are more good PG's in the league than any other position save perhaps PF. That's what they mean by deepest. It also means there's no point to overpaying for one since you can go out and find a comparable for cheaper. Go through every team in the league and see how many do not have a capable starter. At the very most 5, including PHI. Most not even have a good starter but also a good backup, and that doesn't even talk about the teams who are stashing young guys who are promising (Delon Wright, Jerian Grant; to name a couple.)

Confused by this. The following teams have weak starters at PG:
Knicks
Sixers
Lakers
Kings
Bulls
Bucks
Mavs
Magic
Nuggets
Hawks
Nets (arguable, but they'd certainly love to upgrade that spot)

All of those teams' PGs are pretty bad players by almost any measure. It seems like maybe you're slotting guys like Rondo or Deron Williams--who stink now--into the 'good' PG category based on their play like 3-4 years ago. And you're also slotting every high draft pick or vaguely promising guy like E Payton and Mudiay--who also stink right now--into that category too. Seems like sort of of personal point guard bias (or maybe just remembering 3-4 years ago, when the position was deeper).
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Re: Is PG really a deep position in the NBA? 

Post#46 » by shawn_hemp » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:19 am

All those teams are also anywhere from barely average to worst in the league

Idk if I'd consider Dennis Schroder weak either
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Re: Is PG really a deep position in the NBA? 

Post#47 » by Chuck Everett » Sun Dec 25, 2016 8:33 am

Cory Joseph, Jameer Nelson, Patty Mills, Raymond Felton, JJ Barea, Shaun Livingston, Tim Frazier would all start in Philadelphia. All are coming off the bench.
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Re: Is PG really a deep position in the NBA? 

Post#48 » by the_process » Sun Dec 25, 2016 6:42 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
the_process wrote:There are more good PG's in the league than any other position save perhaps PF. That's what they mean by deepest. It also means there's no point to overpaying for one since you can go out and find a comparable for cheaper. Go through every team in the league and see how many do not have a capable starter. At the very most 5, including PHI. Most not even have a good starter but also a good backup, and that doesn't even talk about the teams who are stashing young guys who are promising (Delon Wright, Jerian Grant; to name a couple.)

Confused by this. The following teams have weak starters at PG:
Knicks
Sixers
Lakers
Kings
Bulls
Bucks
Mavs
Magic
Nuggets
Hawks
Nets (arguable, but they'd certainly love to upgrade that spot)

All of those teams' PGs are pretty bad players by almost any measure. It seems like maybe you're slotting guys like Rondo or Deron Williams--who stink now--into the 'good' PG category based on their play like 3-4 years ago. And you're also slotting every high draft pick or vaguely promising guy like E Payton and Mudiay--who also stink right now--into that category too. Seems like sort of of personal point guard bias (or maybe just remembering 3-4 years ago, when the position was deeper).


:lol: This is a 10 month old post you quoted. But you're right about one thing, I shouldn't have used the word good. The word I should have used is capable.

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