Official Bryan Colangelo thread (for Hinkie talk, use the Hinkie thread)

[Mik317]

I'm looking forward to getting players who can actually play.....there's nothing wrong with trading for 25-28 year olds....doesn't mean you're looking for a quick fix.

yeah if those 25-28 year olds are actual gamechangers....otherwise it is a waste of time and money. IMO if you are going to spend money on a guy, he needs to be a part of your contending core...otherwise go for cheaper alternatives. I will never understand why people are in such a hurry to become a 25-35 win team ASAP. Yes to contend, you have to do so eventually as going from 10 wins to 50 does not happen...period. But doing so via your young players rather than some dude who won't be here if you ever contend...is just ehhhh. Short term yeah. wooo back in the hunt I guess..but then you either have to let those guys go and hope your youth is now ready to lead or overpay to keep them to stay afloat. Both options mean you miss out on better chances at top flight picks to actually add to your core.

The Mo Cheeks/ Doug Collins era Sixers, drafted pretty well all things considered (most of those dudes are still in the league after all) but the consistant issue was that we ended up being built backwards in that we had a team full of great role players but no centerpice and had no way of getting one.

Now of course if Embiid, Okafor, or whoever we draft show star potential...THEN you can kinda kick it into overdrive...but even then...look at the Pelicans. They have one of the top 5 players in the WORLD...and suck because they rushed things.

This offseason, I am looking for Corey Joseph type FA signings...nothing major. That plus our 3 draft additions, Saric and Embiid should be enough to move us forward and allow us to see what we got before commiting money to dudes who won't help us longterm.

[NYSixersFan]

what happened?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/how-the-76ers-unraveled-sam-hinkie-193118470.html

u didnt no? its been all over the net m8

I don't care...only thing that matters to me is that Hinkie is out!

[NYSixersFan]

I'm looking forward to getting players who can actually play.....there's nothing wrong with trading for 25-28 year olds....doesn't mean you're looking for a quick fix.

yeah if those 25-28 year olds are actual gamechangers....otherwise it is a waste of time and money. IMO if you are going to spend money on a guy, he needs to be a part of your contending core...otherwise go for cheaper alternatives. I will never understand why people are in such a hurry to become a 25-35 win team ASAP. Yes to contend, you have to do so eventually as going from 10 wins to 50 does not happen...period. But doing so via your young players rather than some dude who won't be here if you ever contend...is just ehhhh. Short term yeah. wooo back in the hunt I guess..but then you either have to let those guys go and hope your youth is now ready to lead or overpay to keep them to stay afloat. Both options mean you miss out on better chances at top flight picks to actually add to your core.

The Mo Cheeks/ Doug Collins era Sixers, drafted pretty well all things considered (most of those dudes are still in the league after all) but the consistant issue was that we ended up being built backwards in that we had a team full of great role players but no centerpice and had no way of getting one.

Now of course if Embiid, Okafor, or whoever we draft show star potential...THEN you can kinda kick it into overdrive...but even then...look at the Pelicans. They have one of the top 5 players in the WORLD...and suck because they rushed things.

This offseason, I am looking for Corey Joseph type FA signings...nothing major. That plus our 3 draft additions, Saric and Embiid should be enough to move us forward and allow us to see what we got before commiting money to dudes who won't help us longterm.

I fully expect to be a playoff contender next year.

The problem with previous Sixer teams is that they never had the cap space to add that one Impact free agent...they had solid players, but too many of them were overpaid. You need to have a combo of Max players that are actually worth max money, solid mid level vets and then cheap young talent.

[XtremeDunkz]

I'm looking forward to getting players who can actually play.....there's nothing wrong with trading for 25-28 year olds....doesn't mean you're looking for a quick fix.

yeah if those 25-28 year olds are actual gamechangers....otherwise it is a waste of time and money. IMO if you are going to spend money on a guy, he needs to be a part of your contending core...otherwise go for cheaper alternatives. I will never understand why people are in such a hurry to become a 25-35 win team ASAP. Yes to contend, you have to do so eventually as going from 10 wins to 50 does not happen...period. But doing so via your young players rather than some dude who won't be here if you ever contend...is just ehhhh. Short term yeah. wooo back in the hunt I guess..but then you either have to let those guys go and hope your youth is now ready to lead or overpay to keep them to stay afloat. Both options mean you miss out on better chances at top flight picks to actually add to your core.

The Mo Cheeks/ Doug Collins era Sixers, drafted pretty well all things considered (most of those dudes are still in the league after all) but the consistant issue was that we ended up being built backwards in that we had a team full of great role players but no centerpice and had no way of getting one.

Now of course if Embiid, Okafor, or whoever we draft show star potential...THEN you can kinda kick it into overdrive...but even then...look at the Pelicans. They have one of the top 5 players in the WORLD...and suck because they rushed things.

This offseason, I am looking for Corey Joseph type FA signings...nothing major. That plus our 3 draft additions, Saric and Embiid should be enough to move us forward and allow us to see what we got before commiting money to dudes who won't help us longterm.

I fully expect to be a playoff contender next year.

The problem with previous Sixer teams is that they never had the cap space to add that one Impact free agent...they had solid players, but too many of them were overpaid. You need to have a combo of Max players that are actually worth max money, solid mid level vets and then cheap young talent.

LMFAOOOOOOOOO

BAHAHAHA

Okay, I'm good now. I just needed that laugh. You really do want the 41-41 Sixers back. I was hoping you weren't serious this whole time.

[NYSixersFan]

yeah if those 25-28 year olds are actual gamechangers....otherwise it is a waste of time and money. IMO if you are going to spend money on a guy, he needs to be a part of your contending core...otherwise go for cheaper alternatives. I will never understand why people are in such a hurry to become a 25-35 win team ASAP. Yes to contend, you have to do so eventually as going from 10 wins to 50 does not happen...period. But doing so via your young players rather than some dude who won't be here if you ever contend...is just ehhhh. Short term yeah. wooo back in the hunt I guess..but then you either have to let those guys go and hope your youth is now ready to lead or overpay to keep them to stay afloat. Both options mean you miss out on better chances at top flight picks to actually add to your core.

The Mo Cheeks/ Doug Collins era Sixers, drafted pretty well all things considered (most of those dudes are still in the league after all) but the consistant issue was that we ended up being built backwards in that we had a team full of great role players but no centerpice and had no way of getting one.

Now of course if Embiid, Okafor, or whoever we draft show star potential...THEN you can kinda kick it into overdrive...but even then...look at the Pelicans. They have one of the top 5 players in the WORLD...and suck because they rushed things.

This offseason, I am looking for Corey Joseph type FA signings...nothing major. That plus our 3 draft additions, Saric and Embiid should be enough to move us forward and allow us to see what we got before commiting money to dudes who won't help us longterm.

I fully expect to be a playoff contender next year.

The problem with previous Sixer teams is that they never had the cap space to add that one Impact free agent...they had solid players, but too many of them were overpaid. You need to have a combo of Max players that are actually worth max money, solid mid level vets and then cheap young talent.

LMFAOOOOOOOOO

BAHAHAHA

Okay, I'm good now. I just needed that laugh. You really do want the 41-41 Sixers back. I was hoping you weren't serious this whole time.

a 40 win team with good young players plus cap space and draft picks going forward? yes please

[NYSixersFan]

I think we can be where the Celtics are now next year....a playoff team that has draft picks and cap space going forward

[CoreyGallagher]

I think we can be where the Celtics are now next year....a playoff team that has draft picks and cap space going forward

Convenient for you to ignore how we got all of those draft picks and that cap space.

[tsmith]

I think we can be where the Celtics are now next year....a playoff team that has draft picks and cap space going forward

Who got the picks and the cap space?

[marcush]

Liquidating a teams assets to gain cap space a future picks is not rocket science. Picking the right players that fit and developing them is the hard part.

Hinkie did a great job of the first bit but nothing to suggest he was capable of the next part.

[PhillyRocks1]

I fully expect to be a playoff contender next year.

The problem with previous Sixer teams is that they never had the cap space to add that one Impact free agent...they had solid players, but too many of them were overpaid. You need to have a combo of Max players that are actually worth max money, solid mid level vets and then cheap young talent.

LMFAOOOOOOOOO

BAHAHAHA

Okay, I'm good now. I just needed that laugh. You really do want the 41-41 Sixers back. I was hoping you weren't serious this whole time.

a 40 win team with good young players plus cap space and draft picks going forward? yes please

At least that is going into a positive direction. Nobody said, nor should anyone assume that is going they are going to max out at 41 and really expected Mr. I don't know how to talk to people to even get close to 41 wins.

[CoreyGallagher]

Liquidating a teams assets to gain cap space a future picks is not rocket science. Picking the right players that fit and developing them is the hard part.

Hinkie did a great job of the first bit but nothing to suggest he was capable of the next part.

It is tough to liquidate assets and come out of with as much as Hinkie was able to. He won just about every trade that he made.

[marcush]

Liquidating a teams assets to gain cap space a future picks is not rocket science. Picking the right players that fit and developing them is the hard part.

Hinkie did a great job of the first bit but nothing to suggest he was capable of the next part.

It is tough to liquidate assets and come out of with as much as Hinkie was able to. He won just about every trade that he made.

Much easier to do when you are trying to lose and don't care about the development of your players.

[CoreyGallagher]

Much easier to do when you are trying to lose and don't care about the development of your players.

Can win and lose trades whether tanking or not, developing players or not.

[NYSixersFan]

Liquidating a teams assets to gain cap space a future picks is not rocket science. Picking the right players that fit and developing them is the hard part.

Hinkie did a great job of the first bit but nothing to suggest he was capable of the next part.

At least there are a few people on this forum who get it....thank you!

[NYSixersFan]

I think we can be where the Celtics are now next year....a playoff team that has draft picks and cap space going forward

Convenient for you to ignore how we got all of those draft picks and that cap space.

He was not going to take this team forward...no matter the picks or cap space he created.....accept this fact...move on....and start to love winning again......I think you guys love collecting assets and winning trades, more than you love winning basketball games

[Embiid P]

I'm looking forward to getting players who can actually play.....there's nothing wrong with trading for 25-28 year olds....doesn't mean you're looking for a quick fix.

yeah if those 25-28 year olds are actual gamechangers....otherwise it is a waste of time and money. IMO if you are going to spend money on a guy, he needs to be a part of your contending core...otherwise go for cheaper alternatives. I will never understand why people are in such a hurry to become a 25-35 win team ASAP. Yes to contend, you have to do so eventually as going from 10 wins to 50 does not happen...period. But doing so via your young players rather than some dude who won't be here if you ever contend...is just ehhhh. Short term yeah. wooo back in the hunt I guess..but then you either have to let those guys go and hope your youth is now ready to lead or overpay to keep them to stay afloat. Both options mean you miss out on better chances at top flight picks to actually add to your core.

The Mo Cheeks/ Doug Collins era Sixers, drafted pretty well all things considered (most of those dudes are still in the league after all) but the consistant issue was that we ended up being built backwards in that we had a team full of great role players but no centerpice and had no way of getting one.

Now of course if Embiid, Okafor, or whoever we draft show star potential...THEN you can kinda kick it into overdrive...but even then...look at the Pelicans. They have one of the top 5 players in the WORLD...and suck because they rushed things.

This offseason, I am looking for Corey Joseph type FA signings...nothing major. That plus our 3 draft additions, Saric and Embiid should be enough to move us forward and allow us to see what we got before commiting money to dudes who won't help us longterm.

I fully expect to be a playoff contender next year.

The problem with previous Sixer teams is that they never had the cap space to add that one Impact free agent...they had solid players, but too many of them were overpaid. You need to have a combo of Max players that are actually worth max money, solid mid level vets and then cheap young talent.

If you disagreed with Hinkie's approach then fine I can accept it, but if you're looking for a GM that saves his cap space wisely for that one impact free agent, then I'm afraid that Bryan Colangelo isn't your guy. He's pretty much Billy King 2.0 when it comes to wasting cap space on mediocre free agents.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I'm looking forward to getting players who can actually play.....there's nothing wrong with trading for 25-28 year olds....doesn't mean you're looking for a quick fix.

I agree that the roster needs to be balanced out. People get out of hand with the age crap. Calling a senior in college too old, "awe man, he's 22, way too old to have a future ". This isn't the NFL, guys can play into their mid 30's. Not saying I want a team full of Joe Johnson's, but acting like 25-28 is too old is ridiculous. That's when players mature, that's usually around the time they figure the game out. I'd be fine signing a few free agent vets, not necessarily to be go to guys, but to help push things along. I think we have one superstar player in Jahlil Okafor, I think we get our A+ guy this summer if we can land Ben Simmons.

[NYSixersFan]

yeah if those 25-28 year olds are actual gamechangers....otherwise it is a waste of time and money. IMO if you are going to spend money on a guy, he needs to be a part of your contending core...otherwise go for cheaper alternatives. I will never understand why people are in such a hurry to become a 25-35 win team ASAP. Yes to contend, you have to do so eventually as going from 10 wins to 50 does not happen...period. But doing so via your young players rather than some dude who won't be here if you ever contend...is just ehhhh. Short term yeah. wooo back in the hunt I guess..but then you either have to let those guys go and hope your youth is now ready to lead or overpay to keep them to stay afloat. Both options mean you miss out on better chances at top flight picks to actually add to your core.

The Mo Cheeks/ Doug Collins era Sixers, drafted pretty well all things considered (most of those dudes are still in the league after all) but the consistant issue was that we ended up being built backwards in that we had a team full of great role players but no centerpice and had no way of getting one.

Now of course if Embiid, Okafor, or whoever we draft show star potential...THEN you can kinda kick it into overdrive...but even then...look at the Pelicans. They have one of the top 5 players in the WORLD...and suck because they rushed things.

This offseason, I am looking for Corey Joseph type FA signings...nothing major. That plus our 3 draft additions, Saric and Embiid should be enough to move us forward and allow us to see what we got before commiting money to dudes who won't help us longterm.

I fully expect to be a playoff contender next year.

The problem with previous Sixer teams is that they never had the cap space to add that one Impact free agent...they had solid players, but too many of them were overpaid. You need to have a combo of Max players that are actually worth max money, solid mid level vets and then cheap young talent.

If you disagreed with Hinkie's approach then fine I can accept it, but if you're looking for a GM that saves his cap space wisely for that one impact free agent, then I'm afraid that Bryan Colangelo isn't your guy. He's pretty much Billy King 2.0 when it comes to wasting cap space on mediocre free agents.

I'm hoping Jerry can help in this regard.

[sixers hoops]

Liquidating a teams assets to gain cap space a future picks is not rocket science. Picking the right players that fit and developing them is the hard part.

Hinkie did a great job of the first bit but nothing to suggest he was capable of the next part.

Agreed, but I thought he was so effective at the first phase he deserved an opportunity this summer to prove his ability at the second phase. Frankly, his teardown and asset collection was excellent. Bringing Colangelo or Ferry in as a Co-GM wasn't giving Hinkie that opportunity to show his talents putting a competitive roster together.

I would have been fine with them squeezing Hinkie out but this was premature. They gave him an organization that was talent and asset poor and, in my opinion, required a three year tank to build a strong foundation. It was clearly time to start producing ACTUAL WINS, but they really didn't give him that chance.

If he wouldn't tried to build a playoff team a year ago, he would have been doing the organization a disservice. The young talent and assets at that time would have sent us back in the path to mediocrity. I think a mandate to improve this season would have been fair and appropriate. But he didn't have that opportunity.

[ankle420breaker]

I agree with most that Hinkie deserved to see things through since it was his moves that positioned us for what could be an off-season for the ages.

I will say that I was concerned about free agency considering the current perception of Sam throughout the league. He hasn't made many friends and I can't imagine us being on the radars of any top tier players.

The thing that bothers me the most is that we just walked Jerry's son into a golden opportunity without even giving a look into other potential candidates for the job.

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