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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL unprotected, etc) 

Post#41 » by HotelVitale » Mon May 22, 2017 9:08 pm

Lakerman416 wrote:Something you guys are forgetting is the Lakers have no reason to tank a single game next year. Sure the Lakers will probably be probably be in the bottom 6 around the all star break. But A LOT of teams will go into full tank mode around that time while the Lakers won't at all. That is why the Nets won so many of their final 20 games this year (wouldn't had won 2 of them if they had a protected pick). If the Lakers had a top 3 protected pick I think they would finish in the bottom 5, but because they don't and teams will be desperate to get a top 5 pick.. my guess is number 10. Which is still great for Philly.

That's true but that'll likely only win you an extra 3-4 games down the stretch. The Nets still finished with the worst record and it wasn't particularly close--4 games behind the Suns, 6 behind y'all--even with them not tanking outright at any point of the season and doing well in the tank-time during the last two weeks of the season.

I don't think I'm being homerish in my projections, and it seems like it'd be about the very very best case for you all to end up with the 10th worst record. You won 26 games last year so we'll set that as a baseline. Let's be generous with your FA season and assume you get someone who can replace Lou Will--your best player from last year--which is a very good realistic scenario with your FA $. (And you all went like 2-15 between the time he lost and that winning streak during prime tank season). Then let's give a generous boost for young guys improving--an extra 3 wins based on young talent improvement and assuming no regressions from anyone. That moves you to 29 wins. And let's add 3 extra games to that for the last couple weeks when other lotto teams are tanking--that gets you to 32. That's likely to be about 7th-8th worst for most seasons (taking an average over the last couple seasons). You'd need to pull out a few extra wins somehow or other to get to that 34-35 win zone that's usually the 10th worst record.

When you combine those facts with your pretty crazy start to '16-17 (that had you at .500 like 6 weeks into the season), I think it's safe to place the over/under at around 6th worst. Could be 10th worst but could as easily be 2nd worst based on talent and situation.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL unprotected, etc) 

Post#42 » by Unbreakable99 » Mon May 22, 2017 9:24 pm

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Lakerman416 wrote:Something you guys are forgetting is the Lakers have no reason to tank a single game next year. Sure the Lakers will probably be probably be in the bottom 6 around the all star break. But A LOT of teams will go into full tank mode around that time while the Lakers won't at all. That is why the Nets won so many of their final 20 games this year (wouldn't had won 2 of them if they had a protected pick). If the Lakers had a top 3 protected pick I think they would finish in the bottom 5, but because they don't and teams will be desperate to get a top 5 pick.. my guess is number 10. Which is still great for Philly.

That's true but that'll likely only win you an extra 3-4 games down the stretch. The Nets still finished with the worst record and it wasn't particularly close--4 games behind the Suns, 6 behind y'all--even with them not tanking outright at any point of the season and doing well in the tank-time during the last two weeks of the season.

I don't think I'm being homerish in my projections, and it seems like it'd be about the very very best case for you all to end up with the 10th worst record. You won 26 games last year so we'll set that as a baseline. Let's be generous with your FA season and assume you get someone who can replace Lou Will--your best player from last year--which is a very good realistic scenario with your FA $. (And you all went like 2-15 between the time he lost and that winning streak during prime tank season). Then let's give a generous boost for young guys improving--an extra 3 wins based on young talent improvement and assuming no regressions from anyone. That moves you to 29 wins. And let's add 3 extra games to that for the last couple weeks when other lotto teams are tanking--that gets you to 32. That's likely to be about 7th-8th worst for most seasons (taking an average over the last couple seasons). You'd need to pull out a few extra wins somehow or other to get to that 34-35 win zone that's usually the 10th worst record.

When you combine those facts with your pretty crazy start to '16-17 (that had you at .500 like 6 weeks into the season), I think it's safe to place the over/under at around 6th worst. Could be 10th worst but could as easily be 2nd worst based on talent and situation.


Watch us draft Jackson and then get the 1st pick in 2018 and have the chance to draft Doncic and have this debate about who we should draft all over again :lol: . I can already see it now. We already have Jackson and Covington and Simmons. How can we draft Doncic? He won't start and if he does then who goes to the bench? We have too many forwards. Do you think we can trade Jackson for the number 3 pick? When will we get another PG? All we do is draft Forwards. I'm tired of it.

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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL unprotected, etc) 

Post#43 » by sixerswillrule » Wed May 24, 2017 3:48 pm

Who was the Lakers fan who kept posting on our board 1-2 years ago and guaranteed their pick wouldn't be top 10?
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Post#44 » by the_process » Wed May 24, 2017 4:59 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:Who was the Lakers fan who kept posting on our board 1-2 years ago and guaranteed their pick wouldn't be top 10?


Forget 2 years ago, there were a couple who came over here when the Lakers were 12-12 talking about how they wouldn't even be giving up a lottery pick because they were going to make the playoffs :lol:
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL unprotected, etc) 

Post#45 » by PLO » Thu May 25, 2017 4:16 am

^ ^ Lakers fans do seem more deluded than other NBA fans, maybe their expectations are unrealistic after the success they've had historically
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL unprotected, etc) 

Post#46 » by TTP » Thu May 25, 2017 6:10 am

PLO wrote:^ ^ Lakers fans do seem more deluded than other NBA fans, maybe their expectations are unrealistic after the success they've had historically


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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL unprotected, etc) 

Post#47 » by Unbreakable99 » Thu May 25, 2017 1:51 pm

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PLO wrote:^ ^ Lakers fans do seem more deluded than other NBA fans, maybe their expectations are unrealistic after the success they've had historically


Just make bets with them to punish them for their delusions.


Speaking of bets did you ever tell that one Lakers fan what avatar he needs to use?
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL unprotected, etc) 

Post#48 » by TTP » Thu May 25, 2017 2:31 pm

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TTP wrote:
PLO wrote:^ ^ Lakers fans do seem more deluded than other NBA fans, maybe their expectations are unrealistic after the success they've had historically


Just make bets with them to punish them for their delusions.


Speaking of bets did you ever tell that one Lakers fan what avatar he needs to use?


Not yet. I think I've narrowed it down to either the same avatar I'm using (which I will give to anyone who loses an avatar bet to me so that the community will recognize it as my signature) or the Hinkie Jesus one (because it's awesome). I've been too lazy to make the decision and PM him.
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL unprotected, etc) 

Post#49 » by smittybanton » Thu May 25, 2017 3:53 pm

What would I do if I were Magic Johnson and Rob Pelinka?

The way I see it, the Lakers cannot build a championship contendor or perennial playoff team if they don’t find a way to move Luol Deng and Timofey Mozgov by Summer 2018.

In my opinion the Lakers need a true point guard, because D’Angelo Russell is not one. He’s an above average shooting guard, though. Jordan Clarkson is also either a shooting guard or a combo guard, but not a point.

The Lakers also need a stretch four, and a true Center. Neither Julius Randle, nor Larry Nance fit that bill. One has to go. Nance is the better defender, although Julius Randle can play a little small ball center so long as you’re not expecting blocked shots.
Brandon Ingram could be that guy in time. But he’s at least two years away from being that dude. Ivica Zubac could be a starting center, but he’s also two years away. The problem is, do you want to bring Paul George onto a team at a time when those complementary players aren’t ready for Showtime? You’d rather have a team ready in 2018 that plugs Paul George in amongst guys ready to win.

Because the Lakers need $30M in cap space to get Paul George in 2018, the Lakers free agency moves in 2017 cannot block that path. Right now, they have about $81M in salary, plus capholds for their draft picks. (Deng17m, Mozgov15m, Clarkson11.5M, Brewer7.5M, Black6.5M, Young5.5M(PO), Russell5.5m, Ingram5.5M, Randle4M, Nance1M, Zubac1M, Nwaba1M). So, they should have around $15M to spend right now.

Next year, the Lakers shed about $20M in salary when deadweight, like Corey Brewer, Tarik Black and Nick Young, comes off the books. Combine that with this year’s space and that’s $35M, enough to land Paul George. Problem is, a) they have to get to the salary cap floor this year, $90M, and b) more importantly, they MUST build a team Paul George wants to come to.

So I predict the Lakers will spend their free agent money this year to acquire at least one veteran player Paul George will respect, to go along with young players like Ingram and Zubac who should improve. Next summer, 2018, I believe they will move Jordan Clarkson’s $13M for what they hope will be a first round pick in a draft that finally has centers they could use. That'll give them the $30M they need for George.

Obviously, Deng and Mozgov have two of the worst contracts, and they don’t expire until 2020. Same with Jordan Clarkson’s deal. The Lakers don’t have a lot of future draft picks in stock, so its hard to imagine them being able to trade either of those guys. Clarkson, however, will get you something.

However, drastic times take drastic measures. I use a future LA first round pick to move Deng and Mozgov’s contracts, so that I can use their $30M to sign Derrick Favors, since the Jazz are highly unlikely to pay him after re-signing Gobert and Hayward. Favors and Zubac form the center tandem the Lakers need.

So Paul George and Derrick Favors in 2018.

But what about 2017? The Lakers are not a playoff team, and therefore cannot attract any of the top names. This is just not a good free agent year. Nerlens Noel is not leaving Dallas. Can’t afford Blake Griffin or Serge Ibaka. They would be compounding the Deng and Mozgov mistakes if they spent their $10-$15M on a center like Cristiano Felicio.

Chris Bosh is the stretch four the Lakers can sign this year a) for not a lot of money, b) not a lot of years, c) but who brings a respected veteran presence that would be attractive to Paul George and Derrick Favors. Rob Pelinka, the Lakers newly installed GM, was Chris Bosh’s agent before moving to Hollywood. If Bosh plays, great. If not, the Lakers get season tickets and player goodwill worth more than the $5M or so they’ll have to pay him (assuming there’s not a great market for the risk that comes with his service).

Other power forwards the Lakers could get for less than $15M include: Ersan Ilyasova, Nikola Mirotic, Amir Johnson?

The best I think I could do for the Lakers if I was GM would be Lonzo Ball, D’Angelo Russell, Paul George, Chris Bosh/Brandon Ingram, Derrick Favors. But getting that lineup in 2018 means I wont be making a lot of trades or free agent signings that add players in 2017.

So, the bottom line is, no, I don’t think the Lakers will be very good next year, and their pick will be in the top six or seven..
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL unprotected, etc) 

Post#50 » by PhilBlackson » Mon May 29, 2017 3:34 pm

All depends if they do in fact get Ball.

I'm not saying Ball makes them a Playoff team but he would (and likely will) take them out of the bottom 5. While LAL will still suck defensively, they do have shooters and a mobile big. Ball will have them playing uptempo which suits them to a tee and as a result winning quite a few more games. Again IF Boston doesn't take Ball, LAL's pick imo will be in the 8-12 range which maybe sounds underwhelming but adding Sexton, Duval or Vanderbilt isn't that bad after all lol
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Post#51 » by BoomBap » Mon May 29, 2017 4:43 pm

1.Warriors
2.Spurs
3.Rockets
4.Jazz
5.Clippers
6.Grizzlies
7.Thunder
8.Blazers

and there are still young and talented teams like the Nuggets, Pelicans and Wolves. No way in hell, the Lakers make the POs next year. No. Way. In. Hell.

They will hand us over the No.1 Pick. #WeLoveYouSam
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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL unprotected, etc) 

Post#52 » by Ericb5 » Mon May 29, 2017 7:35 pm

smittybanton wrote:What would I do if I were Magic Johnson and Rob Pelinka?

The way I see it, the Lakers cannot build a championship contendor or perennial playoff team if they don’t find a way to move Luol Deng and Timofey Mozgov by Summer 2018.

In my opinion the Lakers need a true point guard, because D’Angelo Russell is not one. He’s an above average shooting guard, though. Jordan Clarkson is also either a shooting guard or a combo guard, but not a point.

The Lakers also need a stretch four, and a true Center. Neither Julius Randle, nor Larry Nance fit that bill. One has to go. Nance is the better defender, although Julius Randle can play a little small ball center so long as you’re not expecting blocked shots.
Brandon Ingram could be that guy in time. But he’s at least two years away from being that dude. Ivica Zubac could be a starting center, but he’s also two years away. The problem is, do you want to bring Paul George onto a team at a time when those complementary players aren’t ready for Showtime? You’d rather have a team ready in 2018 that plugs Paul George in amongst guys ready to win.

Because the Lakers need $30M in cap space to get Paul George in 2018, the Lakers free agency moves in 2017 cannot block that path. Right now, they have about $81M in salary, plus capholds for their draft picks. (Deng17m, Mozgov15m, Clarkson11.5M, Brewer7.5M, Black6.5M, Young5.5M(PO), Russell5.5m, Ingram5.5M, Randle4M, Nance1M, Zubac1M, Nwaba1M). So, they should have around $15M to spend right now.

Next year, the Lakers shed about $20M in salary when deadweight, like Corey Brewer, Tarik Black and Nick Young, comes off the books. Combine that with this year’s space and that’s $35M, enough to land Paul George. Problem is, a) they have to get to the salary cap floor this year, $90M, and b) more importantly, they MUST build a team Paul George wants to come to.

So I predict the Lakers will spend their free agent money this year to acquire at least one veteran player Paul George will respect, to go along with young players like Ingram and Zubac who should improve. Next summer, 2018, I believe they will move Jordan Clarkson’s $13M for what they hope will be a first round pick in a draft that finally has centers they could use. That'll give them the $30M they need for George.

Obviously, Deng and Mozgov have two of the worst contracts, and they don’t expire until 2020. Same with Jordan Clarkson’s deal. The Lakers don’t have a lot of future draft picks in stock, so its hard to imagine them being able to trade either of those guys. Clarkson, however, will get you something.

However, drastic times take drastic measures. I use a future LA first round pick to move Deng and Mozgov’s contracts, so that I can use their $30M to sign Derrick Favors, since the Jazz are highly unlikely to pay him after re-signing Gobert and Hayward. Favors and Zubac form the center tandem the Lakers need.

So Paul George and Derrick Favors in 2018.

But what about 2017? The Lakers are not a playoff team, and therefore cannot attract any of the top names. This is just not a good free agent year. Nerlens Noel is not leaving Dallas. Can’t afford Blake Griffin or Serge Ibaka. They would be compounding the Deng and Mozgov mistakes if they spent their $10-$15M on a center like Cristiano Felicio.

Chris Bosh is the stretch four the Lakers can sign this year a) for not a lot of money, b) not a lot of years, c) but who brings a respected veteran presence that would be attractive to Paul George and Derrick Favors. Rob Pelinka, the Lakers newly installed GM, was Chris Bosh’s agent before moving to Hollywood. If Bosh plays, great. If not, the Lakers get season tickets and player goodwill worth more than the $5M or so they’ll have to pay him (assuming there’s not a great market for the risk that comes with his service).

Other power forwards the Lakers could get for less than $15M include: Ersan Ilyasova, Nikola Mirotic, Amir Johnson?

The best I think I could do for the Lakers if I was GM would be Lonzo Ball, D’Angelo Russell, Paul George, Chris Bosh/Brandon Ingram, Derrick Favors. But getting that lineup in 2018 means I wont be making a lot of trades or free agent signings that add players in 2017.

So, the bottom line is, no, I don’t think the Lakers will be very good next year, and their pick will be in the top six or seven..


Good post, but the Lakers can't trade a first round pick earlier than 2020, and that is far enough out for the pick to have no incentive for teams that want to take on current salary, especially for non difference makers like Deng, and Mozgov.

If Hinkie was running a team today, he wouldn't take a 2020 first round pick to take Deng or Mozgov. They both have 3 more years at big money.

If the Lakers are going to move one of those guys it will have to be with someone like Russell, and that's a stiff price to pay. The time to do that would be this summer because if Russell has another year like last year his value will go down, and if he has a better year then it will be that much harder for Magic to trade him.

I also don't get the vibe that they need to do anything other than have the cap space to get George.

They may be able to trade Clarkson, but not for anything that moves the needle.

If I were them I would take Ball without question. Then I would seriously look at packaging Russell with Deng/Mozgov this summer to get something of value, and try to change the locker room. Ball and Ingram become the core, George comes the following year, and you have salary flexibility to build around them.




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Re: 2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL unprotected, etc) 

Post#53 » by TinyRik » Tue May 30, 2017 1:24 am

BoomBap wrote:1.Warriors
2.Spurs
3.Rockets
4.Jazz
5.Clippers
6.Grizzlies
7.Thunder
8.Blazers

and there are still young and talented teams like the Nuggets, Pelicans and Wolves. No way in hell, the Lakers make the POs next year. No. Way. In. Hell.

They will hand us over the No.1 Pick. #WeLoveYouSam


I don't think we can begin to predict the West until after free agency, not because I think the lakers will get anyone good or anyone at all but because there is so much potential for roster changes from all playoff teams in the west.

San Antonio has been rumored to want CP3 if they get him the clippers are done. Since they are way better without blake then Paul.

The clippers could lose Paul to SA and Blake griffin to miami since Blake has been rumored there and the no state tax minimises the loss of a fifth year contract since he doesn't qualify for the DVPE. The clippers could be screwed

Rockets over achieved and relied on 2 often injured role players in Anderson and Gordon. What are the odds that they both stay healthy and play over 70 games again?

Jazz could lose Hayward to the Celtics and George to a team like Minnesota where does that leave them?

Grizzlies got 70 games from both Conley and gasol. Given their injury history I wouldn't be shocked if they missed the playoffs. Plus they have one of the oldest teams as it is and no picks, young players or cap space to get better.

Thunder are a 1 man team who might miss the playoffs if Westbrook who played in 81 games misses even 10 games.

Blazers got better with nurkic so I think they could rise into a 5-6 seed next year depending on the other teams offseasons.

I think the lakers are going to be anywhere from 3-8 but it all depends on what other teams do.

If anything This has the potential to be one of the most exciting offseasons in a while.

Btw I know Doncic is good but who are the other elite guard players in next year's draft? I'm only familiar with ayton, porter, doncic, and Bamba. Thx
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Post#54 » by spikeslovechild » Tue May 30, 2017 3:50 pm

TTP wrote:
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TTP wrote:
Just make bets with them to punish them for their delusions.


Speaking of bets did you ever tell that one Lakers fan what avatar he needs to use?


Not yet. I think I've narrowed it down to either the same avatar I'm using (which I will give to anyone who loses an avatar bet to me so that the community will recognize it as my signature) or the Hinkie Jesus one (because it's awesome). I've been too lazy to make the decision and PM him.


How about trust the process with Deng and mosgov in the background.
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Post#55 » by BoomBap » Tue May 30, 2017 7:14 pm

TinyRik wrote:
BoomBap wrote:1.Warriors
2.Spurs
3.Rockets
4.Jazz
5.Clippers
6.Grizzlies
7.Thunder
8.Blazers

and there are still young and talented teams like the Nuggets, Pelicans and Wolves. No way in hell, the Lakers make the POs next year. No. Way. In. Hell.

They will hand us over the No.1 Pick. #WeLoveYouSam


I think the lakers are going to be anywhere from 3-8 but it all depends on what other teams do.


I hope you mean 3-8 in the Lottery. Everything else would be friggin ridiculous.
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Post#56 » by Cheatergriffin » Tue May 30, 2017 10:05 pm

Way too Early odds are out for 17/18. Right now odds are we are about a 6-9 in east which seems about right.

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Post#57 » by TinyRik » Wed May 31, 2017 3:09 am

BoomBap wrote:
TinyRik wrote:
BoomBap wrote:1.Warriors
2.Spurs
3.Rockets
4.Jazz
5.Clippers
6.Grizzlies
7.Thunder
8.Blazers

and there are still young and talented teams like the Nuggets, Pelicans and Wolves. No way in hell, the Lakers make the POs next year. No. Way. In. Hell.

They will hand us over the No.1 Pick. #WeLoveYouSam


I think the lakers are going to be anywhere from 3-8 but it all depends on what other teams do.


I hope you mean 3-8 in the Lottery. Everything else would be friggin ridiculous.



Lol, yea that's what I meant :lol: sorry I didnt make myself clear. Only way they get anywhere past that is if they trade for PG and even then I think they top out at like 38 wins
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Post#58 » by OleSchool » Sat Jun 3, 2017 7:36 pm

Ok, I'm bored sitting her waiting for my wife to get ready and my mind is wondering. What happens next year at the lottery if the Lakers make it to the top 3? Will the Sixers rep stand up or the Lakers rep? Will the Lakers even send a rep next year?

We should still be in the lottery next year, but late lottery so some Sixer rep will be there, do we send 2? 1 to sit in the Sixers chair and someone else to sit in the Lakers chair?

My mind is a dangerous place on boredom :lol:
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Post#59 » by LongLiveHinkie » Sat Jun 3, 2017 7:46 pm

I love Doncic. Man, that guy is perfect for our team. We must get him next year.
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Post#60 » by Sixerscan » Sat Jun 3, 2017 7:56 pm

OleSchool wrote:Ok, I'm bored sitting her waiting for my wife to get ready and my mind is wondering. What happens next year at the lottery if the Lakers make it to the top 3? Will the Sixers rep stand up or the Lakers rep? Will the Lakers even send a rep next year?

We should still be in the lottery next year, but late lottery so some Sixer rep will be there, do we send 2? 1 to sit in the Sixers chair and someone else to sit in the Lakers chair?

My mind is a dangerous place on boredom :lol:


Sixers rep. Just like how Boston has sent a rep the last two years.

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