The Ben Simmons Megathread

[Simmons25]

Stop just stop

No just No.

Lonzo shot 19% from 3 point land in Summer League whilst chucking it up at JR Smith type regularity against poor defenders that were often leaving him wide open and daring him to shoot it.

Tell me again how good Lonzo is at shooting.

Lonzo struggled shooting the rock in summer league. No question about it. Ball shot 24% from 3 actually. I've been critical of Lonzo shooting this summer but come on.

Your argument is really flawed when it's based on Ben Simmons in an empty gym shooting from the same spot. Flawed and laughable. Ben Simmons shot 36% in summer league and attempted 1 3pter. Defenders in the summer league what did u call them again? Poor defenders? Well they blatantly backed up off him and dared him to shoot.

I'm not going to sit here and argue if Lonzo shooting in college will translate into the NBA. Maybe it does maybe it doesn't. It looked pretty bad in the summer. But Ben Simmons has done nothing to suggest he's better at it than Lonzo despite his SL %'s.


So yeah stop just stop...

1. I said "Iam not even sure Ball is better" not that Simmons is wayyy better.

2. It's not based just on an open gym session at all. I've been quite adamant for a while that Simmons shot is actually not all that bad. It certainly wasn't in High school when he shot it more. It's nowhere near as bad as everything THINKS it is. There seems to be a general consensus that because Simmons only took 3 shots from beyond the arc thats evidence that he is an awful shooter.

Simmons himself said he considers himself a good shooter and just needs to get his reps up now that he is being asked to shoot in the NBA (Something he was not asked to do in College).

His stroke looks pretty good to me. Much better than Lonzo Balls. He brings the ball up higher and will be able to shoot over defenders due to his height. Lonzo on the other hand brings his ball up low and will struggle unless he shoots with significant space between himself and his defender. He got away with that in College. I don't see him getting away with that in the NBA.

So like I said.. lets wait and see 6 months but I am yet to be convinced Lonzo can play against NBA defenders with a longer 3 point line and guys up in his face.

[Mrcrockpots]

LOL at these Simmons vs Lonzo comparisons. I'm blown away at some fans that think Lonzo is a better prospect than Ben Simmons. If anything, Lakers vs Sixers games are going to be must see TV. This season needs to get started already.

[sixers78]

No just No.

Lonzo shot 19% from 3 point land in Summer League whilst chucking it up at JR Smith type regularity against poor defenders that were often leaving him wide open and daring him to shoot it.

Tell me again how good Lonzo is at shooting.

Lonzo struggled shooting the rock in summer league. No question about it. Ball shot 24% from 3 actually. I've been critical of Lonzo shooting this summer but come on.

Your argument is really flawed when it's based on Ben Simmons in an empty gym shooting from the same spot. Flawed and laughable. Ben Simmons shot 36% in summer league and attempted 1 3pter. Defenders in the summer league what did u call them again? Poor defenders? Well they blatantly backed up off him and dared him to shoot.

I'm not going to sit here and argue if Lonzo shooting in college will translate into the NBA. Maybe it does maybe it doesn't. It looked pretty bad in the summer. But Ben Simmons has done nothing to suggest he's better at it than Lonzo despite his SL %'s.


So yeah stop just stop...

1. I said "Iam not even sure Ball is better" not that Simmons is wayyy better.

2. It's not based just on an open gym session at all. I've been quite adamant for a while that Simmons shot is actually not all that bad. It certainly wasn't in High school when he shot it more. It's nowhere near as bad as everything THINKS it is. There seems to be a general consensus that because Simmons only took 3 shots from beyond the arc thats evidence that he is an awful shooter.

Simmons himself said he considers himself a good shooter and just needs to get his reps up now that he is being asked to shoot in the NBA (Something he was not asked to do in College).

His stroke looks pretty good to me. Much better than Lonzo Balls. He brings the ball up higher and will be able to shoot over defenders due to his height. Lonzo on the other hand brings his ball up low and will struggle unless he shoots with significant space between himself and his defender. He got away with that in College. I don't see him getting away with that in the NBA.

So like I said.. lets wait and see 6 months but I am yet to be convinced Lonzo can play against NBA defenders with a longer 3 point line and guys up in his face.

You do realize Simmons changed the way he shoots right? So while you were saying his shot looked good in HS. Ben has totally changed it. His body doesn't twist and he stopped releasing his shot on the way down. Just funny to hear you say his shot looked good when he had it changed lol

And the problem with Simmons isn't so much he is a terrible shooter. It's the fact that he doesn't even shoot to begin with. He played 33 games in college at 35mpg and took a total of what 46 jumpers (mid-3)?

So yeah we will see how many jumpers Ben actually takes his rookie season. Let's see if he has confidence in his shot like you do.

[thenbaman]

I think a few of you need to start hanging around the lakers board,lol

[Chris76]

Lonzo struggled shooting the rock in summer league. No question about it. Ball shot 24% from 3 actually. I've been critical of Lonzo shooting this summer but come on.

Your argument is really flawed when it's based on Ben Simmons in an empty gym shooting from the same spot. Flawed and laughable. Ben Simmons shot 36% in summer league and attempted 1 3pter. Defenders in the summer league what did u call them again? Poor defenders? Well they blatantly backed up off him and dared him to shoot.

I'm not going to sit here and argue if Lonzo shooting in college will translate into the NBA. Maybe it does maybe it doesn't. It looked pretty bad in the summer. But Ben Simmons has done nothing to suggest he's better at it than Lonzo despite his SL %'s.


So yeah stop just stop...

1. I said "Iam not even sure Ball is better" not that Simmons is wayyy better.

2. It's not based just on an open gym session at all. I've been quite adamant for a while that Simmons shot is actually not all that bad. It certainly wasn't in High school when he shot it more. It's nowhere near as bad as everything THINKS it is. There seems to be a general consensus that because Simmons only took 3 shots from beyond the arc thats evidence that he is an awful shooter.

Simmons himself said he considers himself a good shooter and just needs to get his reps up now that he is being asked to shoot in the NBA (Something he was not asked to do in College).

His stroke looks pretty good to me. Much better than Lonzo Balls. He brings the ball up higher and will be able to shoot over defenders due to his height. Lonzo on the other hand brings his ball up low and will struggle unless he shoots with significant space between himself and his defender. He got away with that in College. I don't see him getting away with that in the NBA.

So like I said.. lets wait and see 6 months but I am yet to be convinced Lonzo can play against NBA defenders with a longer 3 point line and guys up in his face.

You do realize Simmons changed the way he shoots right? So while you were saying his shot looked good in HS. Ben has totally changed it. His body doesn't twist and he stopped releasing his shot on the way down. Just funny to hear you say his shot looked good when he had it changed lol

And the problem with Simmons isn't so much he is a terrible shooter. It's the fact that he doesn't even shoot to begin with. He played 33 games in college at 35mpg and took a total of what 46 jumpers (mid-3)?

So yeah we will see how many jumpers Ben actually takes his rookie season. Let's see if he has confidence in his shot like you do.

Simmons and Ball will be shooting different types of shots. Ball will be taking deep 3s, if he makes them great, but they should be more difficult because of the distance. Whereas Simmons will be taking midrange post ups or wide open 3s, he should be more efficient, eventually. Simmons already has that skill, but he chose to get more efficient layups for himself and others in the past.

[sixers78]

1. I said "Iam not even sure Ball is better" not that Simmons is wayyy better.

2. It's not based just on an open gym session at all. I've been quite adamant for a while that Simmons shot is actually not all that bad. It certainly wasn't in High school when he shot it more. It's nowhere near as bad as everything THINKS it is. There seems to be a general consensus that because Simmons only took 3 shots from beyond the arc thats evidence that he is an awful shooter.

Simmons himself said he considers himself a good shooter and just needs to get his reps up now that he is being asked to shoot in the NBA (Something he was not asked to do in College).

His stroke looks pretty good to me. Much better than Lonzo Balls. He brings the ball up higher and will be able to shoot over defenders due to his height. Lonzo on the other hand brings his ball up low and will struggle unless he shoots with significant space between himself and his defender. He got away with that in College. I don't see him getting away with that in the NBA.

So like I said.. lets wait and see 6 months but I am yet to be convinced Lonzo can play against NBA defenders with a longer 3 point line and guys up in his face.

You do realize Simmons changed the way he shoots right? So while you were saying his shot looked good in HS. Ben has totally changed it. His body doesn't twist and he stopped releasing his shot on the way down. Just funny to hear you say his shot looked good when he had it changed lol

And the problem with Simmons isn't so much he is a terrible shooter. It's the fact that he doesn't even shoot to begin with. He played 33 games in college at 35mpg and took a total of what 46 jumpers (mid-3)?

So yeah we will see how many jumpers Ben actually takes his rookie season. Let's see if he has confidence in his shot like you do.

Simmons and Ball will be shooting different types of shots. Ball will be taking deep 3s, if he makes them great, but they should be more difficult because of the distance. Whereas Simmons will be taking midrange post ups or wide open 3s, he should be more efficient, eventually. Simmons already has that skill, but he chose to get more efficient layups for himself and others in the past.

He should be more efficient at shooting open jumpers that he doesn't take when he's wide open? What kind of logic is that. Lol

[Negrodamus]

If Ben Simmons ever hits 32% from three on a medium to high volume in a season, I will apologize to all of you for underestimating him and will concede that he was pulling the wool over our eyes with his shockingly low number of 3s in college.

He's a non-shooter and I don't see that changing. Luckily we don't need him to be a shooter.

[Chris76]

If Ben Simmons ever hits 32% from three on a medium to high volume in a season, I will apologize to all of you for underestimating him and will concede that he was pulling the wool over our eyes with his shockingly low number of 3s in college.

He's a non-shooter and I don't see that changing. Luckily we don't need him to be a shooter.

Simmons will be a shooter, but it will be mostly from midrange and floaters. However, I do see him taking wide open 3s, when possible. This will keep defense's honest, probably something he didn't consider in college.

[Negrodamus]

If Ben Simmons ever hits 32% from three on a medium to high volume in a season, I will apologize to all of you for underestimating him and will concede that he was pulling the wool over our eyes with his shockingly low number of 3s in college.

He's a non-shooter and I don't see that changing. Luckily we don't need him to be a shooter.

Simmons will be a shooter, but it will be mostly from midrange and floaters. However, I do see him taking wide open 3s, when possible. This will keep defense's honest, probably something he didn't consider in college.

Shot 33% from 2pt jumpers at LSU and took three 3pters all season. I'm not sure what suggests he's going to be a shooter besides "he's working on it and will eventually figure it out" which isn't a real answer.

[zeeb]

Read on Twitter

Rather than some LeBron to 76ers future link, is this possibly just a reaction to when LeBron may have leaked the Irving trade request news to Simmons? Is this basically proof that LeBron's camp -- indirectly or directly -- was the source of the leak, as Irving reportedly believes? Timing fits based on reports of when LeBron first knew about it.

[ivysixer2000]

Read on Twitter

Rather than some LeBron to 76ers future link, is this possibly just a reaction to when LeBron may have leaked the Irving trade request news to Simmons? Is this basically proof that LeBron's camp -- indirectly or directly -- was the source of the leak, as Irving reportedly believes? Timing fits based on reports of when LeBron first knew about it.

Well it definitely makes Bron look better and in his best interest if Bron leaves, so him leaking it is definitely possible.

[TTP]

From what I've seen of limited Simmons video of his new shooting stroke.... and what I saw of Ball in SL I am not sure that Ball is even better at shooting than Simmons now. First few months of the season will tel... but Ball's shot is so broken and Simmons looks so fluent I cannot possible see Ball being a better shooter in the league.

Stop just stop

No just No.

Lonzo shot 19% from 3 point land in Summer League whilst chucking it up at JR Smith type regularity against poor defenders that were often leaving him wide open and daring him to shoot it.

Tell me again how good Lonzo is at shooting.

Lonzo shot 23.8% from 3 in Summer League (10-42). I'm not sure where you're getting 19%.

Lol @ that sample size meaning absolutely anything though. Steph Curry had the following separate stretches from 3 last season: 8-36, 8-35, 10-40, 4-31.

You really have to calm your takes on Simmons. There's very little evidence to argue against Ball being a better shooter than Simmons right now.

[Chris76]

Stop just stop

No just No.

Lonzo shot 19% from 3 point land in Summer League whilst chucking it up at JR Smith type regularity against poor defenders that were often leaving him wide open and daring him to shoot it.

Tell me again how good Lonzo is at shooting.

Lonzo shot 23.8% from 3 in Summer League (10-42). I'm not sure where you're getting 19%.

Lol @ that sample size meaning absolutely anything though. Steph Curry had the following separate stretches from 3 last season: 8-36, 8-35, 10-40, 4-31.

You really have to calm your takes on Simmons. There's very little evidence to argue against Ball being a better shooter than Simmons right now.

Both players will be very impactful, Simmons should make 5 or more midrange jumpers. He looked comfortable taking them. With his size and speed, defenders will have difficulty contesting his shot.

[Simmons25]

Stop just stop

No just No.

Lonzo shot 19% from 3 point land in Summer League whilst chucking it up at JR Smith type regularity against poor defenders that were often leaving him wide open and daring him to shoot it.

Tell me again how good Lonzo is at shooting.

Lonzo shot 23.8% from 3 in Summer League (10-42). I'm not sure where you're getting 19%.

Lol @ that sample size meaning absolutely anything though. Steph Curry had the following separate stretches from 3 last season: 8-36, 8-35, 10-40, 4-31.

You really have to calm your takes on Simmons. There's very little evidence to argue against Ball being a better shooter than Simmons right now.

The 19% was prior to the last game. I stopped taking notice of SL once the Sixers got knocked out. Good on him for getting it up to 23.8% though

I don't need to "calm my takes on Simmons" as I haven't said he is Steph Curry. I think Simmons will be an average shooter in the NBA but always said that's all he needs to be. You seem to think this is more about Simmons being a good shooter... it's not. It's about how bad a shooter I think Lonzo is going to be.

I noticed though you seem more intent on dumbing down every take about Simmons. You ranked him just above Amir Johnson on the team and had Fultz ranked 9th on the team We get it... you hate Colangelo and had your favourites in the draft like Ball and miss Hinkie.

[TTP]

The 19% was prior to the last game. I stopped taking notice of SL once the Sixers got knocked out. Good on him for getting it up to 23.8% though

I don't need to "calm my takes on Simmons" as I haven't said he is Steph Curry. I think Simmons will be an average shooter in the NBA but always said that's all he needs to be. You seem to think this is more about Simmons being a good shooter... it's not. It's about how bad a shooter I think Lonzo is going to be.

I noticed though you seem more intent on dumbing down every take about Simmons. You ranked him just above Amir Johnson on the team and had Fultz ranked 9th on the team We get it... you hate Colangelo and had your favourites in the draft like Ball and miss Hinkie.

No - this is about calling you out for making a ridiculous claim and supporting it with (incorrect) small sample size data and a 30 second clip of Simmons shooting jumpers.

By the way, why do you discount Ball's shooting based on Summer League stats but not do the same for Simmons? Flashy highlights aside, Simmons' stats were horrendous in Summer League a year ago (42.0 TS%, 1.4 assist/TO, -11.2 NRtg). I don't think it's rational to put much weight into those stats, but if you're going to do it for Ball, you should be consistent and do it for your boy too.

I'm not dumbing down takes on Simmons. I ranked them on what I thought their theoretical "production value" would be for this season relative to replacement level. I think Simmons should be great longterm but I'm not expecting him to be an above average starter his rookie season, which Covington already is. Maybe I could have put him above Redick (who is probably around a league average starter) but it's probably close.

I also didn't break it into tiers, so you have no idea whether I had Simmons "just above Amir Johnson" or not. Had I broken it into tiers, I would have put Simmons in the second tier with Covington and Redick, and Amir would have been in the third tier with Holmes as significantly positive rotation players. Regardless, Amir has been a significant positive his entire career and hasn't had a statistical drop-off, so it wouldn't be a slight to anyone to have them just above Amir (if that were the case).

I don't think it's unreasonable to list Fultz 9th though. Historically, 19 year old rookies aren't particularly good. I'd consider it a win if Fultz is a positive player this year but am not expecting much more than that.

I don't hate Colangelo. I thought he was not a good GM in Toronto and I definitely hate how he acquired the GM job here. I dislike a lot of the early moves he made (Bayless, Henderson signings) as well as some of his inaction (not moving Okafor). I've moved towards cautious optimism though after his moves this offseason. I liked his draft picks last year and thought the Kendall Marshall and both Ersan trades were solid. I definitely hate his politicking, especially with the fake 1sts.

I'm confused why you're even bringing that up though and also confused about your "favorites like Ball" comment. I guess you're trying to discredit my argument in some weird way. I always preferred Fultz to Ball for us but still think Ball is a great prospect. Whether I like Ball or not is irrelevant to my previous argument though.

[Mrcrockpots]

Over/under for Simmons this season

Points- 12.5
Assists- 7.5
Rebounds- 7.5
FT%- 69.5%
3pt%- 23.5%
TS%- 50%
Usage%- 25.5%

[PLO]

Over/under for Simmons this season

Points- 12.5
Assists- 7.5
Rebounds- 7.5
FT%- 69.5%
3pt%- 23.5%
TS%- 50%
Usage%- 25.5%

That seems about right, anything substantially above those upper numbers would be great.

Not sure if he's going to the HOF just yet, hasn't played in an actual NBA game.

[Sixersftw]

Over/under for Simmons this season

Points- 12.5 (over)
Assists- 7.5 (under)
Rebounds- 7.5 (over)
FT%- 69.5% (over)
3pt%- 23.5% (Rain drops, drop top, I have faith in Ben Simmons' Jumpshot)
TS%- 50% (over)
Usage%- 25.5% (under)

really bang on numbers though imo. I think the points are the only one that feels low.

[cksdayoff]

18 ppg
8 apg
8 rpg
80% ft

[Mrcrockpots]

18 ppg
8 apg
8 rpg
80% ft

That would be insane. I don't think he scores as much his rookie year. I'm thinking 15ppg, 9apg and 7 rpg is about right. But even these numbers are insane lol.