The Fate of Shake Milton

[mjkvol]

Neither is ideal, but the better contract and better upside gives Shake the edge. Furk looks broken at this point.

[76ciology]

Furk’s probably tanking his %s so the law of average kicks in for him by the playoffs

[spikeslovechild]

Neither is ideal, but the better contract and better upside gives Shake the edge. Furk looks broken at this point.

Furks contract makes it so he will continue to get looks.

We should have honestly forced the Nets to take him

[Ferry Avenue]

In my opinion they need to start using Milton as the backup PG and leave Maxey alone at the off guard position.

That's Milton's greatest value to the team at present -- allowing Maxey to continue to function from a position in which his production is far greater. Maxey's output is too important to have him swallowed up by his former position, even for just stretches within games, when it isn't necessary.

The smartest moves this team can make right now in my opinion are the one above, along with starting Niang and bringing Harris off the bench when Embiid isn't on the floor. It makes no sense to have Harris be a fourth option alongside Harden, Embiid, and Maxey when he can be a second or third option as a bench player.

[Murray_17]

In my opinion they need to start using Milton as the backup PG and leave Maxey alone at the off guard position.

That's Milton's greatest value to the team at present -- allowing Maxey to continue to function from a position in which his production is far greater. Maxey's output is too important to have him swallowed up by his former position, even for just stretches within games, when it isn't necessary.

The smartest moves this team can make right now in my opinion are the one above, along with starting Niang and bringing Harris off the bench when Embiid isn't on the floor. It makes no sense to have Harris be a fourth option alongside Harden, Embiid, and Maxey when he can be a second or third option as a bench player.

Problem with starting Niang is that he commits too many fouls to stay in the floor as a starter

[Kobblehead]

It's legit BS that both Milton and Korkmaz are shooting under 30% from three. Like WTF.

[Skates]

It's legit BS that both Milton and Korkmaz are shooting under 30% from three. Like WTF.

I think part of this is two guys that had to become primary ball handlers before Harden got here, they both look lost at times. Not skilled enough to do it all and are struggling to play off the ball, Shake especially. We should have had a legit Maxey backup all year.

[76thBearCub]

Outside of Niang our bench is pitiful.

[mjkvol]

It's legit BS that both Milton and Korkmaz are shooting under 30% from three. Like WTF.

Seriously, what are the odds of that? I'm not sure that Shake is 100% healthy, but Korkmaz looks like he just lost all his confidence.

[mjkvol]

Outside of Niang our bench is pitiful.

Outside of Niang our bench is invisible.

[76ciology]

If you want 6th man scoring, you wont get it with Shake.

But you may get it with Shake by starting him then sliding Maxey as our 6th man. And also ending games with Maxey.

Same can be said if you start Niang and slide Tobi to 6th man.

If you really want a DEEP bench. Start Shake and Niang, both act as spot up shooters. Then have Maxey and Tobi off the bench.

[Foshan]

If you want 6th man scoring, you wont get it with Shake.

But you may get it with Shake by starting him then sliding Maxey as our 6th man. And also ending games with Maxey.

Same can be said if you start Niang and slide Tobi to 6th man.

If you really want a DEEP bench. Start Shake and Niang, both act as spot up shooters. Then have Maxey and Tobi off the bench.

I was just talking about that with someone the other day. As much as i hate the thought of benching Maxi, it actually would make a lot of sense (IMO) to run either Shake or Kork in the starting line up simply to stretch the floor, and then give some punch off the bench with Maxi.
Harden
Shake(Kork?)
Thybulle
Niang
Embiid

more shooting to let thybulle be a cutter. or focus on the Harden/Embiid pick and roll.

Don't think it helps our rebounding at all. Which is why long term i actually like the idea of playing reed at the 4.

[76ciology]

If you want 6th man scoring, you wont get it with Shake.

But you may get it with Shake by starting him then sliding Maxey as our 6th man. And also ending games with Maxey.

Same can be said if you start Niang and slide Tobi to 6th man.

If you really want a DEEP bench. Start Shake and Niang, both act as spot up shooters. Then have Maxey and Tobi off the bench.

I was just talking about that with someone the other day. As much as i hate the thought of benching Maxi, it actually would make a lot of sense (IMO) to run either Shake or Kork in the starting line up simply to stretch the floor, and then give some punch off the bench with Maxi.
Harden
Shake(Kork?)
Thybulle
Niang
Embiid

more shooting to let thybulle be a cutter. or focus on the Harden/Embiid pick and roll.

Don't think it helps our rebounding at all. Which is why long term i actually like the idea of playing reed at the 4.

With regards to rebounding%

Thybulle is comparable to Tyrese Maxey
Niang is comparable to Shake Milton
Tobias is comparable to James Harden

Embiid is a bad rebounder at 18% for a defensive anchor.
In comparison Jokic is rebounding at 23%.

And you see why we’re bad at rebounding. Our center is not a great rebounder and the rest of the guys are just rebounding like guards.

I’ve been saying it over and over again, teams should just spam their fastbreak like how the Hornets did against us.

We will look like a Cavs with Mozgov team against the smallball warriors squad.

I know Biid is big. But I do think he should be treated like a PF than a C, where he has to play with another PF who can rebound the ball with atleast REB16% like what Portis is to Giannis.

[mjkvol]

You guys are discussing the lineup possibilities to make both units more efficient and fit better, but you're forgetting one thing that nullifies all of this - barring something unforeseen like an injury, Doc Rivers is not going to take Tobias out of the starting lineup, and he is very likely not going to with Maxey, either.

He may be forced to give Bassey some run due to Jordan's play, but should have been doing that all season. He has potentially wasted a chance to give us some depth from within, but he will 'dance with the girl he brung' as he always has.

[youngcrev]

If you want 6th man scoring, you wont get it with Shake.

But you may get it with Shake by starting him then sliding Maxey as our 6th man. And also ending games with Maxey.

Same can be said if you start Niang and slide Tobi to 6th man.

If you really want a DEEP bench. Start Shake and Niang, both act as spot up shooters. Then have Maxey and Tobi off the bench.

I was just talking about that with someone the other day. As much as i hate the thought of benching Maxi, it actually would make a lot of sense (IMO) to run either Shake or Kork in the starting line up simply to stretch the floor, and then give some punch off the bench with Maxi.
Harden
Shake(Kork?)
Thybulle
Niang
Embiid

more shooting to let thybulle be a cutter. or focus on the Harden/Embiid pick and roll.

Don't think it helps our rebounding at all. Which is why long term i actually like the idea of playing reed at the 4.

With regards to rebounding%

Thybulle is comparable to Tyrese Maxey
Niang is comparable to Shake Milton
Tobias is comparable to James Harden

Embiid is a bad rebounder at 18% for a defensive anchor.
In comparison Jokic is rebounding at 23%.

And you see why we’re bad at rebounding. Our center is not a great rebounder and the rest of the guys are just rebounding like guards.

I’ve been saying it over and over again, teams should just spam their fastbreak like how the Hornets did against us.

We will look like a Cavs with Mozgov team against the smallball warriors squad.

I know Biid is big. But I do think he should be treated like a PF than a C, where he has to play with another PF who can rebound the ball with atleast REB16% like what Portis is to Giannis.

"Embiid is a bad rebounder" is a bad take. He might not have elite rebounding numbers, but he's certainly very good at it.

We have a bunch a bunch of small and/or unathletic guys. That's our perimeter defense and rebounding isn't very good. Hopefully Embiid can carry those things enough to get by in the playoffs and the offense is playing at an elite level.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Tobias Harris off the bench makes more sense then Maxey off the bench. I just don't see Maxey being a sparkplug/insta offense in a reserve role. He'll be asked to do even more, the turnovers will go increase, the shooting % will decrease, and his efficiency wont remain the same as if he were a starter. That's just my opinion. I think Tobias Harris is better suited for the role if the concern is to get a scoring punch with the second unit. The problem is, Harris is being paid like a starter, Doc is not going to deviate from that at all. The best way to solve this problem with what we currently have to work with would be to do exactly what Doc has been doing which is staggering Harden and Embiid. I think Harris should come in to play with this too. Stagger their minutes so that 1 or 2 starters are always on the floor. If the refusal is to keep Harris as a starter, then yeah...Doc is playing this situation correctly in my opinion. He's playing Harden with our reserves and allowing the Maxey/Embiid combo to continue it's growth. It's our best option. I know everyone else likes to play coach, but I think Doc is doing the best with what he has to work with. Until Paul Reed shows the ability to stretch the floor he wont see it. Yes, he's probably our best athlete on this roster and the potential for him is there, but it's not going to bear fruit until he can hit an open three. We have skilled players that can do things, but no complete players in terms of reserves. It's a crappy situation to be in, guys will just have to step up. WTF happened to Korkmaz? This was looking like his year early on. He will not fool me again. Korkmaz was honestly the guy I was hoping would step it up. Between him and Shake I thought we were going to be ok. Isaiah Joe showed some promise too during the preseason, but he's remained buried on the bench.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

If you want 6th man scoring, you wont get it with Shake.

But you may get it with Shake by starting him then sliding Maxey as our 6th man. And also ending games with Maxey.

Same can be said if you start Niang and slide Tobi to 6th man.

If you really want a DEEP bench. Start Shake and Niang, both act as spot up shooters. Then have Maxey and Tobi off the bench.

I was just talking about that with someone the other day. As much as i hate the thought of benching Maxi, it actually would make a lot of sense (IMO) to run either Shake or Kork in the starting line up simply to stretch the floor, and then give some punch off the bench with Maxi.
Harden
Shake(Kork?)
Thybulle
Niang
Embiid

more shooting to let thybulle be a cutter. or focus on the Harden/Embiid pick and roll.

Don't think it helps our rebounding at all. Which is why long term i actually like the idea of playing reed at the 4.

With regards to rebounding%

Thybulle is comparable to Tyrese Maxey
Niang is comparable to Shake Milton
Tobias is comparable to James Harden

Embiid is a bad rebounder at 18% for a defensive anchor.
In comparison Jokic is rebounding at 23%.

And you see why we’re bad at rebounding. Our center is not a great rebounder and the rest of the guys are just rebounding like guards.

I’ve been saying it over and over again, teams should just spam their fastbreak like how the Hornets did against us.

We will look like a Cavs with Mozgov team against the smallball warriors squad.

I know Biid is big. But I do think he should be treated like a PF than a C, where he has to play with another PF who can rebound the ball with atleast REB16% like what Portis is to Giannis.

Paul Reed is that dude. But until he can stretch the floor the way Portis can for the Bucks, it's not gonna happen. It's part of the resason why I pounded the table for Christian Wood.

[76ciology]

I was just talking about that with someone the other day. As much as i hate the thought of benching Maxi, it actually would make a lot of sense (IMO) to run either Shake or Kork in the starting line up simply to stretch the floor, and then give some punch off the bench with Maxi.
Harden
Shake(Kork?)
Thybulle
Niang
Embiid

more shooting to let thybulle be a cutter. or focus on the Harden/Embiid pick and roll.

Don't think it helps our rebounding at all. Which is why long term i actually like the idea of playing reed at the 4.

With regards to rebounding%

Thybulle is comparable to Tyrese Maxey
Niang is comparable to Shake Milton
Tobias is comparable to James Harden

Embiid is a bad rebounder at 18% for a defensive anchor.
In comparison Jokic is rebounding at 23%.

And you see why we’re bad at rebounding. Our center is not a great rebounder and the rest of the guys are just rebounding like guards.

I’ve been saying it over and over again, teams should just spam their fastbreak like how the Hornets did against us.

We will look like a Cavs with Mozgov team against the smallball warriors squad.

I know Biid is big. But I do think he should be treated like a PF than a C, where he has to play with another PF who can rebound the ball with atleast REB16% like what Portis is to Giannis.

"Embiid is a bad rebounder" is a bad take. He might not have elite rebounding numbers, but he's certainly very good at it.

We have a bunch a bunch of small and/or unathletic guys. That's our perimeter defense and rebounding isn't very good. Hopefully Embiid can carry those things enough to get by in the playoffs and the offense is playing at an elite level.

You maybe right that maybe its a bad take but i also mentioned FOR A DEFENSIVE ANCHOR. Well, this is considering Jokic is at 23% and Gobert is at 25%, similarly playing alongside small 3&4s. And again, i could be wrong, im just comparing his numbers with these two and looking at our issues.

[youngcrev]

With regards to rebounding%

Thybulle is comparable to Tyrese Maxey
Niang is comparable to Shake Milton
Tobias is comparable to James Harden

Embiid is a bad rebounder at 18% for a defensive anchor.
In comparison Jokic is rebounding at 23%.

And you see why we’re bad at rebounding. Our center is not a great rebounder and the rest of the guys are just rebounding like guards.

I’ve been saying it over and over again, teams should just spam their fastbreak like how the Hornets did against us.

We will look like a Cavs with Mozgov team against the smallball warriors squad.

I know Biid is big. But I do think he should be treated like a PF than a C, where he has to play with another PF who can rebound the ball with atleast REB16% like what Portis is to Giannis.

"Embiid is a bad rebounder" is a bad take. He might not have elite rebounding numbers, but he's certainly very good at it.

We have a bunch a bunch of small and/or unathletic guys. That's our perimeter defense and rebounding isn't very good. Hopefully Embiid can carry those things enough to get by in the playoffs and the offense is playing at an elite level.

You maybe right that maybe its a bad take but i also mentioned FOR A DEFENSIVE ANCHOR. Well, this is considering Jokic is at 23% and Gobert is at 25%, similarly playing alongside small 3&4s. And again, i could be wrong, im just comparing his numbers with these two and looking at our issues.

Those 2 have elite rebounding numbers this season (Gobert has consistently done it). Worse than elite does not equal "bad"

[Sixercise]

Thread bump - considering the roster turnover from the past year, and how we previously discussed where he'd be depthwise, it's clear that Shake has had a bounceback season. Strangely, after the McDaniels trade, he's been mostly on the shelf (aside from the recent MIA road win). Now with PJ and Tobi hurt, I'm looking to see some burn for my dude.