Depth Chart/Minute Allocation

[Iverson Armband]

Lol @ signing bums just because they’re tall

[pr0wler]

I'd like to see something like:

Harden (32) | Maxey (16)
Maxey (18) | Melton (24) | Milton (6)
Thybulle (24) | House (16) | Tucker (6) | Melton (2)
Harris (32) | Tucker (16)
Embiid (32) | Reed (12) | Tucker (4)

Maxey 34
Harden 32
Harris 32
Embiid 32
Melton 26
Tucker 26
Thybulle 24
House 16
Reed 12
Milton 6

Keeping Thybulle in the lineup allows them to keep Tucker's minutes down at a reasonable level, while giving him a last chance to see if he can figure out a role offensively (or potentially helping his trade value by reminding teams what he can do defensively). In reality Tucker probably gets the nod, but I'll just keep that in there.

Maxey/Embiid and Harden/Harris would stagger to remain on the floor at all times. Shake gets some run, otherwise you end up playing Melton for really long stretches. Reed serves as Embiid's primary back with Tucker mixed in for some short stretches to experiment with switch everything.

I generally agree they really should start Thybulle. The extra athleticism throughout the year will help, plus all the other big picture benefits you listed.

I just hope that they're open to starting Tucker for big matchups and in the playoffs of course. Kind of how it played out for Danny Green this year starting in the playoffs after not so much in the season. They made a big investment in Tucker and I think they should really preserve it over the next 2 years at least.

I would even be okay with starting Melton if shooting is effecting the starters.

The fact that they've added 3 3 and D rotation players in 1 off-season is a huge boost that was very hard to expect. But they would be so wise to go ahead and address that backup center issue. You just don't try to develop guys that are that unproven on a contending team, and I really wouldn't want Tucker battling centers all year long. Whiteside, someone.

I'm starting to think about Dwight Howard would be a good option. Mainly because He's almost out of the league. That would give you the flexibility of trying it the way all of you want to try it. But having a pretty solid release valve for defense and rebounding when it doesn't work. I would imagine someone like Whiteside would want a guarantee that he's the backup center.

I agree it would be nice to get Howard as a legit backup C. But him and Harden didn't get along too well back in HOU, so that might complicate things.

[M2J]

Lol @ signing bums just because they’re tall

Lol at relying on a G leaguer that's played like a bum in the NBA, and calling yourself a contender.

Especially because the hope is that in being has stopped trying to chase the MVP and will rest a lot of games as needed. Even if they're not a backup, you will need someone to be a replacement starter and keeping read and his small ball role with the Harden bench. Howard isn't ideal... but better to just get it out of the way before all options are picked up and you have to make a trade for something that's available now.

[zaz102]

That G Leaguer outplayed one of those vet stiffs that got signed day one in FA. What does that tell you about those guys that haven't been signed yet?

Might be worth it to roll with with what we have and see if whether it makes sense to make a trade before the deadline.

[M2J]

That G Leaguer outplayed one of those vet stiffs that got signed day one in FA. What does that tell you about those guys that haven't been signed yet?

Might be worth it to roll with with what we have and see if whether it makes sense to make a trade before the deadline.

Why do you people keep saying this. Jordan and any backup center the Sixers had last year should've been out of the league, and Reed was just on par due to being undersized, and a foul machine helping to put the entire team in the penalty early in 4th quarters.... You know the important quarter.

Arguing that he's better than other scrubs doesn't change the fact that he's not better than players they should be getting this off season.

He really didn't outplay anybody. They survived his minutes in the playoffs by playing with Tobias Harden and Maxey, trying to increase the offense. His defense and rebounding wasn't sufficient enough and with three high quality starters playing with him plus either Danny or Niang.... Those lineups were still nerve wrecking.

[zaz102]

That G Leaguer outplayed one of those vet stiffs that got signed day one in FA. What does that tell you about those guys that haven't been signed yet?

Might be worth it to roll with with what we have and see if whether it makes sense to make a trade before the deadline.

Why do you people keep saying this. Jordan and any backup center the Sixers had last year should've been out of the league, and Reed was just on par due to being undersized, and a foul machine helping to put the entire team in the penalty early in 4th quarters.... You know the important quarter.

Arguing that he's better than other scrubs doesn't change the fact that he's not better than players they should be getting this off season.

He really didn't outplay anybody. They survived his minutes in the playoffs by playing with Tobias Harden and Maxey, trying to increase the offense. His defense and rebounding wasn't sufficient enough and with three high quality starters playing with him plus either Danny or Niang.... Those lineups were still nerve wrecking.

I don't understand what I said wasn't true. Doc wanted to play Jordan in the playoffs, but they went with Reed. DAJ got signed day one is FA. I'm saying that because it's true.

I'm not saying that he's anything great or that he's going to be the backup come playoffs, but I think you can grab someone by the deadline that is as good as anyone out there now.

Also, I think he was fine for his role in the playoffs. Imagine if he got some burn during the season. Not sure why not give that a chance unless there's someone head and shoulders out there that you can sign for the minimum and I don't really see that. Maybe Harrell, probably my #1 choice if hed sign for the minimum, but he had problems in the playoffs before. Dwight is limited, does bonehead things, and fouls a lot as well. Boogie can't even stay on a team.

[TTP]

That G Leaguer outplayed one of those vet stiffs that got signed day one in FA. What does that tell you about those guys that haven't been signed yet?

Might be worth it to roll with with what we have and see if whether it makes sense to make a trade before the deadline.

Why do you people keep saying this. Jordan and any backup center the Sixers had last year should've been out of the league, and Reed was just on par due to being undersized, and a foul machine helping to put the entire team in the penalty early in 4th quarters.... You know the important quarter.

Arguing that he's better than other scrubs doesn't change the fact that he's not better than players they should be getting this off season.

He really didn't outplay anybody. They survived his minutes in the playoffs by playing with Tobias Harden and Maxey, trying to increase the offense. His defense and rebounding wasn't sufficient enough and with three high quality starters playing with him plus either Danny or Niang.... Those lineups were still nerve wrecking.

I'm not even convinced that a lot of Reed's fouls are that bad when considering the situation and the expectation and value of a steal. I'd be interested in seeing a study on the negative value of non-shooting fouls. Like when Reed goes for a steal when the opposing team is either about to start or already in transition and picks up a non-shooting foul. That's the type of a situation where a lot of smart NBA players would intentionally wrap up a guy at halfcourt to stop transition anyways, only Reed has among the highest expectations in the NBA of generating a steal in that spot - his career steal % so far would have led the NBA last season by a huge margin.

The size stuff is pretty overblown too and is anti-Moneyball (Moreyball?). Production matters more than how someone looks. With the obvious caveat that we're dealing with very small samples, pretty much every metric shows that Reed has managed to be productive in spite of his apparent physical limitations.

I definitely disagree with the bolded - he's been a fine rebounder so far. He's 25th in the NBA in three year RA-Rebound rate and ranks 4th for offensive rebound rate behind Adams, Capela, and Kanter.

He does well in the turnover battle - he's 75th in RA-TO rate in a category where most of the guys at the top are guards and wings.

Three year LA-RAPM has him 92nd overall among all NBA players. His EPM last year was 6th on the team, around 50th among all centers, and was right around breakeven (which is substantially above replacement level). His RPM had him 221 out of 557 players. BPM was also extremely favorable for him at +2.1, though truthfully it's probably the worst stat here and is likely to overvalue a guy like Reed. His raw on/offs in the regular season were really bad last year but a lot of that is going to be because he doesn't play with Embiid, so the adjusted metrics tend to like him a lot better. They were also quite good in the playoffs.

Again, all of this was a very small sample (which is Doc's fault), but in the limited minutes we've seen, pretty much every metric suggests that he's at least an average NBA player. Maybe with more minutes, his flaws will become more exposed but I disagree that he's been unproductive in his time so far, and I also definitely disagree that his rebounding isn't sufficient enough.

[Sixerscan]

Nuggets signing Jordan as the opening bell for free agency was still ringing remains the funniest moment of the offseason btw

[Iverson Armband]

That G Leaguer outplayed one of those vet stiffs that got signed day one in FA. What does that tell you about those guys that haven't been signed yet?

Might be worth it to roll with with what we have and see if whether it makes sense to make a trade before the deadline.

Why do you people keep saying this. Jordan and any backup center the Sixers had last year should've been out of the league, and Reed was just on par due to being undersized, and a foul machine helping to put the entire team in the penalty early in 4th quarters.... You know the important quarter.

Arguing that he's better than other scrubs doesn't change the fact that he's not better than players they should be getting this off season.

He really didn't outplay anybody. They survived his minutes in the playoffs by playing with Tobias Harden and Maxey, trying to increase the offense. His defense and rebounding wasn't sufficient enough and with three high quality starters playing with him plus either Danny or Niang.... Those lineups were still nerve wrecking.

I'm not even convinced that a lot of Reed's fouls are that bad when considering the situation and the expectation and value of a steal. I'd be interested in seeing a study on the negative value of non-shooting fouls. Like when Reed goes for a steal when the opposing team is either about to start or already in transition and picks up a non-shooting foul. That's the type of a situation where a lot of smart NBA players would intentionally wrap up a guy at halfcourt to stop transition anyways, only Reed has among the highest expectations in the NBA of generating a steal in that spot - his career steal % so far would have led the NBA last season by a huge margin.

The size stuff is pretty overblown too and is anti-Moneyball (Moreyball?). Production matters more than how someone looks. With the obvious caveat that we're dealing with very small samples, pretty much every metric shows that Reed has managed to be productive in spite of his apparent physical limitations.

I definitely disagree with the bolded - he's been a fine rebounder so far. He's 25th in the NBA in three year RA-Rebound rate and ranks 4th for offensive rebound rate behind Adams, Capela, and Kanter.

He does well in the turnover battle - he's 75th in RA-TO rate in a category where most of the guys at the top are guards and wings.

Three year LA-RAPM has him 92nd overall among all NBA players. His EPM last year was 6th on the team, around 50th among all centers, and was right around breakeven (which is substantially above replacement level). His RPM had him 221 out of 557 players. BPM was also extremely favorable for him at +2.1, though truthfully it's probably the worst stat here and is likely to overvalue a guy like Reed. His raw on/offs in the regular season were really bad last year but a lot of that is going to be because he doesn't play with Embiid, so the adjusted metrics tend to like him a lot better. They were also quite good in the playoffs.

Again, all of this was a very small sample (which is Doc's fault), but in the limited minutes we've seen, pretty much every metric suggests that he's at least an average NBA player. Maybe with more minutes, his flaws will become more exposed but I disagree that he's been unproductive in his time so far, and I also definitely disagree that his rebounding isn't sufficient enough.

Case closed.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I think we should add another center to the roster. Cousins is out there and he'd be a nice addition. I do think this is Reeds job to lose though. We'll see what he's got as the full time back up and go from there.

[M2J]

Why do you people keep saying this. Jordan and any backup center the Sixers had last year should've been out of the league, and Reed was just on par due to being undersized, and a foul machine helping to put the entire team in the penalty early in 4th quarters.... You know the important quarter.

Arguing that he's better than other scrubs doesn't change the fact that he's not better than players they should be getting this off season.

He really didn't outplay anybody. They survived his minutes in the playoffs by playing with Tobias Harden and Maxey, trying to increase the offense. His defense and rebounding wasn't sufficient enough and with three high quality starters playing with him plus either Danny or Niang.... Those lineups were still nerve wrecking.

I'm not even convinced that a lot of Reed's fouls are that bad when considering the situation and the expectation and value of a steal. I'd be interested in seeing a study on the negative value of non-shooting fouls. Like when Reed goes for a steal when the opposing team is either about to start or already in transition and picks up a non-shooting foul. That's the type of a situation where a lot of smart NBA players would intentionally wrap up a guy at halfcourt to stop transition anyways, only Reed has among the highest expectations in the NBA of generating a steal in that spot - his career steal % so far would have led the NBA last season by a huge margin.

The size stuff is pretty overblown too and is anti-Moneyball (Moreyball?). Production matters more than how someone looks. With the obvious caveat that we're dealing with very small samples, pretty much every metric shows that Reed has managed to be productive in spite of his apparent physical limitations.

I definitely disagree with the bolded - he's been a fine rebounder so far. He's 25th in the NBA in three year RA-Rebound rate and ranks 4th for offensive rebound rate behind Adams, Capela, and Kanter.

He does well in the turnover battle - he's 75th in RA-TO rate in a category where most of the guys at the top are guards and wings.

Three year LA-RAPM has him 92nd overall among all NBA players. His EPM last year was 6th on the team, around 50th among all centers, and was right around breakeven (which is substantially above replacement level). His RPM had him 221 out of 557 players. BPM was also extremely favorable for him at +2.1, though truthfully it's probably the worst stat here and is likely to overvalue a guy like Reed. His raw on/offs in the regular season were really bad last year but a lot of that is going to be because he doesn't play with Embiid, so the adjusted metrics tend to like him a lot better. They were also quite good in the playoffs.

Again, all of this was a very small sample (which is Doc's fault), but in the limited minutes we've seen, pretty much every metric suggests that he's at least an average NBA player. Maybe with more minutes, his flaws will become more exposed but I disagree that he's been unproductive in his time so far, and I also definitely disagree that his rebounding isn't sufficient enough.

Case closed.

Please it's the same wishful thinking that you all have been spewing about read the entire off-season. It doesn't close anything. He's completely unproven because when he was playing it was not adequate. The only positives anyone can say about Reed is wishful thinking... Not proven. Blame Rivers or whatever for not playing the player that can't prove himself when he does play.... But that's a fact.

The only thing that was stated that was relevant to my post was that he was better in the playoffs. But it doesn't dispute the fact that they had to play 4 starters essentially with him just to SURVIVE those minutes with them. His steal percentage in the regular season doesn't mean anything to what I'm referring to... Which is how poorly this team plays defensively and on the boards when Joel is not in the game. Where there was a clear drop off when he came in playing with the starters other than Joel. I focus on that aspect because it showcases how worried they are about that spot. No matter what center they were using last year.... Which is why they need a new one. The more relevant thing to study rather than if getting in foul trouble in the 4th quarter has hurt the team before the stars get back in (ask any coach that question)... Is how much his steals help the team when he's gambling to get them because he can't defend his position.

It also showcases that in the playoffs each and every game that wasn't a Philadelphia win blowout essentially Reed's a negative vs other backups, meaning even close wins.... He's a negative with the starters at other positions. That's problematic. It needs to be addressed... Like it was vs when Drummond was signed. The team is definitely supposed to drop off when Joel is not playing playing with starters.... It's not supposed to be a negative lineup. Which means during the regular season when they can't afford to play the starters more minutes. The bench is going to kill each and every game.

His size is a problem because that along with his actual lack of abilities to guard perimeter players adequately is why he fouls so much. He was the second best rebounder on the team last year for fact... But that doesn't say much. Which is why they need to get someone that is better. Furthermore Moreyball is going small so that you can add another shooter. He is not that, at least not proven to be that. Despite his athleticism he hasn't even proven to be a legitimate lob threat.

My issue isn't even with Reed. To say you're going all in and to not try to use a veterans minimum contract to sign additional help that is currently available rather than needing to hope that they get cut in the middle of the season or hope that you can trade for one, is asinine. I'm okay with starting a season with Reed as the backup... I wouldn't be okay with not having a backup plan for a talent that you needed to test out in the summer league and calling yourself a contender. Most especially when Joel is considering resting more. You want to rely on a backup center that can't stay out of foul trouble?

[M2J]

I think we should add another center to the roster. Cousins is out there and he'd be a nice addition. I do think this is Reeds job to lose though. We'll see what he's got as the full time back up and go from there.

He hasn't played pretty well last year. But I think the focus should be on defensive and rebounding and I personally would pass on Cousins vs other guys

[76thBearCub]

I just don't want to see any meaningful minutes from Milton, Korkmaz, or Thybulle unless they can put it together and make something happen consistently.

[PhillyNj]

I just don't want to see any meaningful minutes from Milton, Korkmaz, or Thybulle unless they can put it together and make something happen consistently.

I agree with Milton and Korkmaz but Thybulle is a player.
Thybulle and Melton on the floor together could be something special to watch. Reed may also be very good with them as they are some of the fastest players in the league at their positions.

[phillynative]

I just don't want to see any meaningful minutes from Milton, Korkmaz, or Thybulle unless they can put it together and make something happen consistently.

I agree with Milton and Korkmaz but Thybulle is a player.
Thybulle and Melton on the floor together could be something special to watch. Reed may also be very good with them as they are some of the fastest players in the league at their positions.

Matisse is just a disruptive defender that give you nothing else and whos gimmicky defense gets figured out in the playoffs.

[Sixerscan]

I'm not even convinced that a lot of Reed's fouls are that bad when considering the situation and the expectation and value of a steal. I'd be interested in seeing a study on the negative value of non-shooting fouls. Like when Reed goes for a steal when the opposing team is either about to start or already in transition and picks up a non-shooting foul. That's the type of a situation where a lot of smart NBA players would intentionally wrap up a guy at halfcourt to stop transition anyways, only Reed has among the highest expectations in the NBA of generating a steal in that spot - his career steal % so far would have led the NBA last season by a huge margin.

The size stuff is pretty overblown too and is anti-Moneyball (Moreyball?). Production matters more than how someone looks. With the obvious caveat that we're dealing with very small samples, pretty much every metric shows that Reed has managed to be productive in spite of his apparent physical limitations.

I definitely disagree with the bolded - he's been a fine rebounder so far. He's 25th in the NBA in three year RA-Rebound rate and ranks 4th for offensive rebound rate behind Adams, Capela, and Kanter.

He does well in the turnover battle - he's 75th in RA-TO rate in a category where most of the guys at the top are guards and wings.

Three year LA-RAPM has him 92nd overall among all NBA players. His EPM last year was 6th on the team, around 50th among all centers, and was right around breakeven (which is substantially above replacement level). His RPM had him 221 out of 557 players. BPM was also extremely favorable for him at +2.1, though truthfully it's probably the worst stat here and is likely to overvalue a guy like Reed. His raw on/offs in the regular season were really bad last year but a lot of that is going to be because he doesn't play with Embiid, so the adjusted metrics tend to like him a lot better. They were also quite good in the playoffs.

Again, all of this was a very small sample (which is Doc's fault), but in the limited minutes we've seen, pretty much every metric suggests that he's at least an average NBA player. Maybe with more minutes, his flaws will become more exposed but I disagree that he's been unproductive in his time so far, and I also definitely disagree that his rebounding isn't sufficient enough.

Case closed.

Please it's the same wishful thinking that you all have been spewing about read the entire off-season. It doesn't close anything. He's completely unproven because when he was playing it was not adequate. The only positives anyone can say about Reed is wishful thinking... Not proven. Blame Rivers or whatever for not playing the player that can't prove himself when he does play.... But that's a fact.

The only thing that was stated that was relevant to my post was that he was better in the playoffs. But it doesn't dispute the fact that they had to play 4 starters essentially with him just to SURVIVE those minutes with them. His steal percentage in the regular season doesn't mean anything to what I'm referring to... Which is how poorly this team plays defensively and on the boards when Joel is not in the game. Where there was a clear drop off when he came in playing with the starters other than Joel. I focus on that aspect because it showcases how worried they are about that spot. No matter what center they were using last year.... Which is why they need a new one. The more relevant thing to study rather than if getting in foul trouble in the 4th quarter has hurt the team before the stars get back in (ask any coach that question)... Is how much his steals help the team when he's gambling to get them because he can't defend his position.

It also showcases that in the playoffs each and every game that wasn't a Philadelphia win blowout essentially Reed's a negative vs other backups, meaning even close wins.... He's a negative with the starters at other positions. That's problematic. It needs to be addressed... Like it was vs when Drummond was signed. The team is definitely supposed to drop off when Joel is not playing playing with starters.... It's not supposed to be a negative lineup. Which means during the regular season when they can't afford to play the starters more minutes. The bench is going to kill each and every game.

His size is a problem because that along with his actual lack of abilities to guard perimeter players adequately is why he fouls so much. He was the second best rebounder on the team last year for fact... But that doesn't say much. Which is why they need to get someone that is better. Furthermore Moreyball is going small so that you can add another shooter. He is not that, at least not proven to be that. Despite his athleticism he hasn't even proven to be a legitimate lob threat.

My issue isn't even with Reed. To say you're going all in and to not try to use a veterans minimum contract to sign additional help that is currently available rather than needing to hope that they get cut in the middle of the season or hope that you can trade for one, is asinine. I'm okay with starting a season with Reed as the backup... I wouldn't be okay with not having a backup plan for a talent that you needed to test out in the summer league and calling yourself a contender. Most especially when Joel is considering resting more. You want to rely on a backup center that can't stay out of foul trouble?

I don't recall it going like that? For example, Reed without Harris+Embiid on the court had a +23.1 net rating during the playoffs. Without Harden+Embiid it was +3.1. Without Maxey+Embiid was -7.3.

And they didn't just "survive" with the other 4 starters, Harden/Maxey/Green/Harris/Reed were +36.8.

There were a couple bad games, but like Drummond got played off the court in the Celtics series, had a -22.6 net rating for the series, averaged 15 MPG including 3:36 in Game 4. He got a DNCP the year before in the last game of the Lakers/Suns series. Centers that aren't elite tend to be very hit or miss during the playoffs.

Also keep in mind that the reason why Drummond and Howard before him likely signed here is that they were promised the backup role. So if they want to give Reed a chance at the backup spot to see how he does, you're likely left with the Kyle O'Quinn types that are ok with not playing, at which point it may make more sense to just wait for the deadline and buyouts, and see if Reed continues to grow into the role.

Your "veteran backup 5" on the roster is probably PJ Tucker, also.

[M2J]

Case closed.

Please it's the same wishful thinking that you all have been spewing about read the entire off-season. It doesn't close anything. He's completely unproven because when he was playing it was not adequate. The only positives anyone can say about Reed is wishful thinking... Not proven. Blame Rivers or whatever for not playing the player that can't prove himself when he does play.... But that's a fact.

The only thing that was stated that was relevant to my post was that he was better in the playoffs. But it doesn't dispute the fact that they had to play 4 starters essentially with him just to SURVIVE those minutes with them. His steal percentage in the regular season doesn't mean anything to what I'm referring to... Which is how poorly this team plays defensively and on the boards when Joel is not in the game. Where there was a clear drop off when he came in playing with the starters other than Joel. I focus on that aspect because it showcases how worried they are about that spot. No matter what center they were using last year.... Which is why they need a new one. The more relevant thing to study rather than if getting in foul trouble in the 4th quarter has hurt the team before the stars get back in (ask any coach that question)... Is how much his steals help the team when he's gambling to get them because he can't defend his position.

It also showcases that in the playoffs each and every game that wasn't a Philadelphia win blowout essentially Reed's a negative vs other backups, meaning even close wins.... He's a negative with the starters at other positions. That's problematic. It needs to be addressed... Like it was vs when Drummond was signed. The team is definitely supposed to drop off when Joel is not playing playing with starters.... It's not supposed to be a negative lineup. Which means during the regular season when they can't afford to play the starters more minutes. The bench is going to kill each and every game.

His size is a problem because that along with his actual lack of abilities to guard perimeter players adequately is why he fouls so much. He was the second best rebounder on the team last year for fact... But that doesn't say much. Which is why they need to get someone that is better. Furthermore Moreyball is going small so that you can add another shooter. He is not that, at least not proven to be that. Despite his athleticism he hasn't even proven to be a legitimate lob threat.

My issue isn't even with Reed. To say you're going all in and to not try to use a veterans minimum contract to sign additional help that is currently available rather than needing to hope that they get cut in the middle of the season or hope that you can trade for one, is asinine. I'm okay with starting a season with Reed as the backup... I wouldn't be okay with not having a backup plan for a talent that you needed to test out in the summer league and calling yourself a contender. Most especially when Joel is considering resting more. You want to rely on a backup center that can't stay out of foul trouble?

I don't recall it going like that? For example, Reed without Harris+Embiid on the court had a +23.1 net rating during the playoffs. Without Harden+Embiid it was +3.1. Without Maxey+Embiid was -7.3.

And they didn't just "survive" with the other 4 starters, Harden/Maxey/Green/Harris/Reed were +36.8.

There were a couple bad games, but like Drummond got played off the court in the Celtics series, had a -22.6 net rating for the series, averaged 15 MPG including 3:36 in Game 4. He got a DNCP the year before in the last game of the Lakers/Suns series. Centers that aren't elite tend to be very hit or miss during the playoffs.

Also keep in mind that the reason why Drummond and Howard before him likely signed here is that they were promised the backup role. So if they want to give Reed a chance at the backup spot to see how he does, you're likely left with the Kyle O'Quinn types that are ok with not playing, at which point it may make more sense to just wait for the deadline and buyouts, and see if Reed continues to grow into the role.

Your "veteran backup 5" on the roster is probably PJ Tucker, also.

Very early in the first round Doc switched to playing those lineups because the responsibilities that should be handled by the backup center were not being taken care of. The plus minus was skewed as I've stated there were some blowouts where the team looked really really good. Also some of the lineups where Reed is without those guys Were also in the blowouts where he played with the other bench players on both teams. Like game 4 versus Miami where Harden was on fire. But my main point is that they had to make it essentially an offensive lineup because of how poor the defense and rebounding turns. Bigger main point is that with Embiid likely to miss games hopefully do the rest. The need for a real backup center grows. At least an option of a big physical presence. I've pushed for Tucker to be the backup center. In special situations. I would just think they would want to have someone with size.

You also cannot expect to see that lineup during the regular season, because the minutes will be shortened. It was a band-aid. Read clearly was a liability in the playoffs. No stat can change what all of our eyes saw. He still has some developing to do. I hope he does develop. A backup plan is essential

I've already brought up the point that someone like Whiteside would likely want a guaranteed role. Unfortunately that probably leaves someone like Howard.

[youngcrev]

Please it's the same wishful thinking that you all have been spewing about read the entire off-season. It doesn't close anything. He's completely unproven because when he was playing it was not adequate. The only positives anyone can say about Reed is wishful thinking... Not proven. Blame Rivers or whatever for not playing the player that can't prove himself when he does play.... But that's a fact.

The only thing that was stated that was relevant to my post was that he was better in the playoffs. But it doesn't dispute the fact that they had to play 4 starters essentially with him just to SURVIVE those minutes with them. His steal percentage in the regular season doesn't mean anything to what I'm referring to... Which is how poorly this team plays defensively and on the boards when Joel is not in the game. Where there was a clear drop off when he came in playing with the starters other than Joel. I focus on that aspect because it showcases how worried they are about that spot. No matter what center they were using last year.... Which is why they need a new one. The more relevant thing to study rather than if getting in foul trouble in the 4th quarter has hurt the team before the stars get back in (ask any coach that question)... Is how much his steals help the team when he's gambling to get them because he can't defend his position.

It also showcases that in the playoffs each and every game that wasn't a Philadelphia win blowout essentially Reed's a negative vs other backups, meaning even close wins.... He's a negative with the starters at other positions. That's problematic. It needs to be addressed... Like it was vs when Drummond was signed. The team is definitely supposed to drop off when Joel is not playing playing with starters.... It's not supposed to be a negative lineup. Which means during the regular season when they can't afford to play the starters more minutes. The bench is going to kill each and every game.

His size is a problem because that along with his actual lack of abilities to guard perimeter players adequately is why he fouls so much. He was the second best rebounder on the team last year for fact... But that doesn't say much. Which is why they need to get someone that is better. Furthermore Moreyball is going small so that you can add another shooter. He is not that, at least not proven to be that. Despite his athleticism he hasn't even proven to be a legitimate lob threat.

My issue isn't even with Reed. To say you're going all in and to not try to use a veterans minimum contract to sign additional help that is currently available rather than needing to hope that they get cut in the middle of the season or hope that you can trade for one, is asinine. I'm okay with starting a season with Reed as the backup... I wouldn't be okay with not having a backup plan for a talent that you needed to test out in the summer league and calling yourself a contender. Most especially when Joel is considering resting more. You want to rely on a backup center that can't stay out of foul trouble?

I don't recall it going like that? For example, Reed without Harris+Embiid on the court had a +23.1 net rating during the playoffs. Without Harden+Embiid it was +3.1. Without Maxey+Embiid was -7.3.

And they didn't just "survive" with the other 4 starters, Harden/Maxey/Green/Harris/Reed were +36.8.

There were a couple bad games, but like Drummond got played off the court in the Celtics series, had a -22.6 net rating for the series, averaged 15 MPG including 3:36 in Game 4. He got a DNCP the year before in the last game of the Lakers/Suns series. Centers that aren't elite tend to be very hit or miss during the playoffs.

Also keep in mind that the reason why Drummond and Howard before him likely signed here is that they were promised the backup role. So if they want to give Reed a chance at the backup spot to see how he does, you're likely left with the Kyle O'Quinn types that are ok with not playing, at which point it may make more sense to just wait for the deadline and buyouts, and see if Reed continues to grow into the role.

Your "veteran backup 5" on the roster is probably PJ Tucker, also.

Very early in the first round Doc switched to playing those lineups because the responsibilities that should be handled by the backup center were not being taken care of. The plus minus was skewed as I've stated there were some blowouts where the team looked really really good. Also some of the lineups where Reed is without those guys Were also in the blowouts where he played with the other bench players on both teams. Like game 4 versus Miami where Harden was on fire. But my main point is that they had to make it essentially an offensive lineup because of how poor the defense and rebounding turns. Bigger main point is that with Embiid likely to miss games hopefully do the rest. The need for a real backup center grows. At least an option of a big physical presence. I've pushed for Tucker to be the backup center. In special situations. I would just think they would want to have someone with size.

You also cannot expect to see that lineup during the regular season, because the minutes will be shortened. It was a band-aid. Read clearly was a liability in the playoffs. No stat can change what all of our eyes saw. He still has some developing to do. I hope he does develop. A backup plan is essential

I've already brought up the point that someone like Whiteside would likely want a guaranteed role. Unfortunately that probably leaves someone like Howard.

You cutting Bassey then? Because rostering 3 backup 5s for what's essentially a 10 minute role in the playoffs (less if you factor in Tucker) doesn't feel wise.

You can get a better backup center than Dwight Howard mid season if it becomes apparent that neither Reed or Bassey are up to the task.

[Iverson Armband]

Please it's the same wishful thinking that you all have been spewing about read the entire off-season. It doesn't close anything. He's completely unproven because when he was playing it was not adequate. The only positives anyone can say about Reed is wishful thinking... Not proven. Blame Rivers or whatever for not playing the player that can't prove himself when he does play.... But that's a fact.

The only thing that was stated that was relevant to my post was that he was better in the playoffs. But it doesn't dispute the fact that they had to play 4 starters essentially with him just to SURVIVE those minutes with them. His steal percentage in the regular season doesn't mean anything to what I'm referring to... Which is how poorly this team plays defensively and on the boards when Joel is not in the game. Where there was a clear drop off when he came in playing with the starters other than Joel. I focus on that aspect because it showcases how worried they are about that spot. No matter what center they were using last year.... Which is why they need a new one. The more relevant thing to study rather than if getting in foul trouble in the 4th quarter has hurt the team before the stars get back in (ask any coach that question)... Is how much his steals help the team when he's gambling to get them because he can't defend his position.

It also showcases that in the playoffs each and every game that wasn't a Philadelphia win blowout essentially Reed's a negative vs other backups, meaning even close wins.... He's a negative with the starters at other positions. That's problematic. It needs to be addressed... Like it was vs when Drummond was signed. The team is definitely supposed to drop off when Joel is not playing playing with starters.... It's not supposed to be a negative lineup. Which means during the regular season when they can't afford to play the starters more minutes. The bench is going to kill each and every game.

His size is a problem because that along with his actual lack of abilities to guard perimeter players adequately is why he fouls so much. He was the second best rebounder on the team last year for fact... But that doesn't say much. Which is why they need to get someone that is better. Furthermore Moreyball is going small so that you can add another shooter. He is not that, at least not proven to be that. Despite his athleticism he hasn't even proven to be a legitimate lob threat.

My issue isn't even with Reed. To say you're going all in and to not try to use a veterans minimum contract to sign additional help that is currently available rather than needing to hope that they get cut in the middle of the season or hope that you can trade for one, is asinine. I'm okay with starting a season with Reed as the backup... I wouldn't be okay with not having a backup plan for a talent that you needed to test out in the summer league and calling yourself a contender. Most especially when Joel is considering resting more. You want to rely on a backup center that can't stay out of foul trouble?

I don't recall it going like that? For example, Reed without Harris+Embiid on the court had a +23.1 net rating during the playoffs. Without Harden+Embiid it was +3.1. Without Maxey+Embiid was -7.3.

And they didn't just "survive" with the other 4 starters, Harden/Maxey/Green/Harris/Reed were +36.8.

There were a couple bad games, but like Drummond got played off the court in the Celtics series, had a -22.6 net rating for the series, averaged 15 MPG including 3:36 in Game 4. He got a DNCP the year before in the last game of the Lakers/Suns series. Centers that aren't elite tend to be very hit or miss during the playoffs.

Also keep in mind that the reason why Drummond and Howard before him likely signed here is that they were promised the backup role. So if they want to give Reed a chance at the backup spot to see how he does, you're likely left with the Kyle O'Quinn types that are ok with not playing, at which point it may make more sense to just wait for the deadline and buyouts, and see if Reed continues to grow into the role.

Your "veteran backup 5" on the roster is probably PJ Tucker, also.

Very early in the first round Doc switched to playing those lineups because the responsibilities that should be handled by the backup center were not being taken care of. The plus minus was skewed as I've stated there were some blowouts where the team looked really really good. Also some of the lineups where Reed is without those guys Were also in the blowouts where he played with the other bench players on both teams. Like game 4 versus Miami where Harden was on fire. But my main point is that they had to make it essentially an offensive lineup because of how poor the defense and rebounding turns. Bigger main point is that with Embiid likely to miss games hopefully do the rest. The need for a real backup center grows. At least an option of a big physical presence. I've pushed for Tucker to be the backup center. In special situations. I would just think they would want to have someone with size.

You also cannot expect to see that lineup during the regular season, because the minutes will be shortened. It was a band-aid.Read clearly was a liability in the playoffs. No stat can change what all of our eyes saw. He still has some developing to do. I hope he does develop. A backup plan is essential

I've already brought up the point that someone like Whiteside would likely want a guaranteed role. Unfortunately that probably leaves someone like Howard.

Speak for yourself, the only person who saw Reed as a liability in this thread so far is you. And to make matters worse, you flat offhand dismiss the boatloads of solid information people have provided to you that show you were wrong. Jeez, talk about stubborn lol. Just give it up dude.

[Jailblazers7]

If we want to pick up some big body to eat innings in the regular season, then sure whatever. But I think Paul Reed held his own in the playoffs in a situation he was unprepared for due to Doc’s mismanagement of the roster in the regular season. He looked good in summer league and should be better next season. We’re just not going to find a better playoff backup than him.

Maybe if we get really lucky Bassey develops into an alternative over the course of the season but some washed up vet would be nothing but a minutes filler is the regular season. The only interesting option imo is Aron Baynes as a flier to see if he can return to form after that freak injury.