The curious case of Thybulle

[76ciology]

I guess the disconnect is that you seem to think Embiid is simply gonna be cooked after this window with Harden.

I think when that time comes you look to re-tool around Embiid and Maxey to create another window.

My confusion comes from the idea that you must trade a very good player if he’s not going to become great. It’s not like we have some simple lever we can pull to turn Maxey into a legit cornerstone, so I don’t get it unless he’s saying that we must do a full strip down after this season and rebuild from scratch. Which is not a convincing premise.

Can’t tell if it’s just this usual realgm thing where people turn ‘this player isn’t an answer to everything’ into ‘this player is the reason we’re not winning a championship and we must burn him now.’ Or if it’s just assuming that us knowing someone is maybe a little overrated means we can somehow finagle that into something better than that player. Instead of it just meaning that a player is a little overrated.

I appreciate you trying to come up with scenarios to give him the benefit of doubt on why anybody would trade a 3rd year 22 year old star with the work ethic of Kobe **** Bryant as anything but stupid. Noway no how does it make sense to trade maxey with harden aging as well it totally makes no sense! Do you know how sick sixers front office would be if they traded maxey and had to sit back and watch him fricking dominate the league the next 10 year’s while we trot out lord knows who? Smh

Then move on and find another one.

Look outside Sixers and dont just watch Sixers games. Even Jordan Clarkson is scoring out of his mind. You are not missing much with Maxey. Its not like you have someone who can be one of the top players in the league.

Guys like Quickley, Cole Anthony, Hyland Bones, Anfernee Simons, Cam Thomas can all be as good as scorer or near as good as a scorer than Maxey. What more if you have a top pick like Scoot Henderson 2.0 in some draft in the future?

[76ciology]

You say a lot of crazy ****, but you'll have to explain this one.

Yeah, and i have my fair share of bad opinions and also some really good ones.

I’ve learned from my mistake. I also saw where Sixers had their mistakes. And I’ve been watching more non-Sixers games than Sixers games.

If im rebuilding, I’m gonna build around my 1-2 position. I’ll have a high standards with guards if im gonna start this team from scratch.

Maxey is good if you have Harden and Embiid. But if you are gonna start a team from scratch, I’ll want someone who’s more deserving to be paid the max as a starting piece.

I also think Boston or Raps should do the same with Jaylen Brown or FVV if both teams are looking to rebuild.

5 years down the road, I can’t see and ESPN marquee match-up of Tyrese Maxey vs Luka Doncic. It’s more likely going to be someone like Scoot Henderson or Ja Morant.

Dont get me wrong, im not saying im just gonna waive him. Im gonna treat him like how Spurs did Dejounte Murray by pumping and dumping him for atleast a couple of picks.

I guess the disconnect is that you seem to think Embiid is simply gonna be cooked after this window with Harden.

I think when that time comes you look to re-tool around Embiid and Maxey to create another window.

Im not saying absolutely right. And you maybe right. Nobody can see the future

But if im running this team when Embiid is not yet cooked, then I’d treat Embiid as LeBron and Sixers as the Lakers where I’d accumulate young assets like Reed, Springer, Maxey and picks and go after a disgruntled alpha like Anthony Davis back then.

Maxey is a very good player as the third guy but in a large sample size of toughest of competition, you’d want a better player to play with a post prime Embiid.

But then you maybe right, Maxey may turn out to be a Steph Curry 2.0. Who knows.. and when that time comes, who’s stupid enough to trade the next Steph Curry?

But if Embiid proves to be hard to win with at that time (declining performance and misses a lot of games), i’d be inclined to clean the house and do a quick rebuild.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I rather retool around Embiid til he retires than rebuild when we ain't contending. I think Embiid might win one here ironically being like the 2 or 3 best player in the future.

[76ciology]

I rather retool around Embiid til he retires than rebuild when we ain't contending. I think Embiid might win one here ironically being like the 2 or 3 best player in the future.

Then that’s possibly the Lakers route of trading all young players (very likely includes Maxey for our version) and picks for Anthony Davis.

Personally, I dont care who stays or who doesnt as long as we win a championship.

Which franchise does players dont want to play because they hurt the feelings of a player because they traded them? Celtics with Isaiah Thomas?

[Murray_17]

Guys like Quickley, Cole Anthony, Hyland Bones, Anfernee Simons, Cam Thomas can all be as good as scorer or near as good as a scorer than Maxey. What more if you have a top pick like Scoot Henderson 2.0 in some draft in the future?

Sorry but lol

Outside of Simons non of those guys are near Maxey as a scorer. Quickley, Cam Thomas and Cole Anthony cannot even reach average league efficiency on a lot less volume than Maxey. If they took the number of shots Maxey does they would have like a 45% TS

Let's be serious for a moment

[HotelVitale]

Guys like Quickley, Cole Anthony, Hyland Bones, Anfernee Simons, Cam Thomas can all be as good as scorer or near as good as a scorer than Maxey. What more if you have a top pick like Scoot Henderson 2.0 in some draft in the future?

Sorry but lol

Outside of Simons non of those guys are near Maxey as a scorer. Quickley, Cam Thomas and Cole Anthony cannot even reach average league efficiency on a lot less volume than Maxey. If they took the number of shots Maxey does they would have like a 45% TS

Let's be serious for a moment

Yeah, 76ology you went off the deep end here. I agree that Maxey is overrated by some folks and I’ve always been a little skeptical of him; he’s always needed to take and make really tough shots to be effective since he doesn’t have the size, dominant athleticism, etc to consistently create easier stuff. But, man, how many times does Maxey have to come through for us huge to convince you he’s a little special? I feel like a key part of the Sixers experience the last couple years has been doubting Maxey and then seeing him do enough amazing ish that I have to give in and bow down.

There’s a big gap between ‘legit superstar’ and ‘dime a dozen scorer’ and even if Maxeys in that gap you should maybe recalibrate where he’s at in it. (Also I don’t think the league in general values him as anything close to a superstar.)

[76ciology]

Guys like Quickley, Cole Anthony, Hyland Bones, Anfernee Simons, Cam Thomas can all be as good as scorer or near as good as a scorer than Maxey. What more if you have a top pick like Scoot Henderson 2.0 in some draft in the future?

Sorry but lol

Outside of Simons non of those guys are near Maxey as a scorer. Quickley, Cam Thomas and Cole Anthony cannot even reach average league efficiency on a lot less volume than Maxey. If they took the number of shots Maxey does they would have like a 45% TS

Let's be serious for a moment

Yeah, 76ology you went off the deep end here. I agree that Maxey is overrated by some folks and I’ve always been a little skeptical of him; he’s always needed to take and make really tough shots to be effective since he doesn’t have the size, dominant athleticism, etc to consistently create easier stuff. But, man, how many times does Maxey have to come through for us huge to convince you he’s a little special? I feel like a key part of the Sixers experience the last couple years has been doubting Maxey and then seeing him do enough amazing ish that I have to give in and bow down.

There’s a big gap between ‘legit superstar’ and ‘dime a dozen scorer’ and even if Maxeys in that gap you should maybe recalibrate where he’s at in it. (Also I don’t think the league in general values him as anything close to a superstar.)

I was not stating something definite or comparing them for what they are right now.

Im saying stating that they can all be possibly be near as good or just as good as him IN THE FUTURE (i.e in the next 5 years) or ROLE CHANGE (i.e playing with Harden and Embiid)

And either way Maxey is not THAT kind of guy who can be an alpha to a declining embiid or an alpha to a rebuilding team.

[Murray_17]

I was not stating something definite or comparing them for what they are right now.

Im saying stating that they can all be possibly be near as good or just as good as him IN THE FUTURE (i.e in the next 5 years) or ROLE CHANGE (i.e playing with Harden and Embiid)

I mean, that's fine but also doesn't take in consideration what Maxey himself can be.

All of those guys are around Maxey's age and for some reason, you're expecting them to severely improve while Maxey would stay as the player he's right now. Not to take into account some of those guys have developed less of a jumper than Maxey less quick.

No one is saying the guy is gonna be top 15 or even 30 player in the league yet, but you're taking it completely to the other side.

[SixthStreet]

Yeah I don't understand why those guys are afforded the potential of improvement but Maxey is not. If you are going to argue that way you can't lose.

[HardenToSixers]

Sorry but lol

Outside of Simons non of those guys are near Maxey as a scorer. Quickley, Cam Thomas and Cole Anthony cannot even reach average league efficiency on a lot less volume than Maxey. If they took the number of shots Maxey does they would have like a 45% TS

Let's be serious for a moment

Yeah, 76ology you went off the deep end here. I agree that Maxey is overrated by some folks and I’ve always been a little skeptical of him; he’s always needed to take and make really tough shots to be effective since he doesn’t have the size, dominant athleticism, etc to consistently create easier stuff. But, man, how many times does Maxey have to come through for us huge to convince you he’s a little special? I feel like a key part of the Sixers experience the last couple years has been doubting Maxey and then seeing him do enough amazing ish that I have to give in and bow down.

There’s a big gap between ‘legit superstar’ and ‘dime a dozen scorer’ and even if Maxeys in that gap you should maybe recalibrate where he’s at in it. (Also I don’t think the league in general values him as anything close to a superstar.)

I was not stating something definite or comparing them for what they are right now.

Im saying stating that they can all be possibly be near as good or just as good as him IN THE FUTURE (i.e in the next 5 years) or ROLE CHANGE (i.e playing with Harden and Embiid)

And either way Maxey is not THAT kind of guy who can be an alpha to a declining embiid or an alpha to a rebuilding team.

Like the other guy said, this is a ridiculous basis of a take when Maxey is younger than Quickley for example. The only reasonable argument I could see around Maxey's efficiency dipping is that you think his 3P% is inflated the last couple seasons, otherwise saying players older than him could become as good as him is just a nonsense statement that is about as useful as saying Simmons could become a 90% free throw shooter just because there is a world where he gets electro shock therapy, drops his ego and switches to his left hand.

[HotelVitale]

Sorry but lol

Outside of Simons non of those guys are near Maxey as a scorer. Quickley, Cam Thomas and Cole Anthony cannot even reach average league efficiency on a lot less volume than Maxey. If they took the number of shots Maxey does they would have like a 45% TS

Let's be serious for a moment

Yeah, 76ology you went off the deep end here. I agree that Maxey is overrated by some folks and I’ve always been a little skeptical of him; he’s always needed to take and make really tough shots to be effective since he doesn’t have the size, dominant athleticism, etc to consistently create easier stuff. But, man, how many times does Maxey have to come through for us huge to convince you he’s a little special? I feel like a key part of the Sixers experience the last couple years has been doubting Maxey and then seeing him do enough amazing ish that I have to give in and bow down.

There’s a big gap between ‘legit superstar’ and ‘dime a dozen scorer’ and even if Maxeys in that gap you should maybe recalibrate where he’s at in it. (Also I don’t think the league in general values him as anything close to a superstar.)

I was not stating something definite or comparing them for what they are right now.

Im saying stating that they can all be possibly be near as good or just as good as him IN THE FUTURE (i.e in the next 5 years) or ROLE CHANGE (i.e playing with Harden and Embiid)

And either way Maxey is not THAT kind of guy who can be an alpha to a declining embiid or an alpha to a rebuilding team.

There are two things that are implied here that I think most people are taking issue with:
-There’s an insinuation that Maxey not being an all-NBA guy means he’s worth more in a trade than as a player. I don’t think you’ve made any argument to support this yet, you’re talking as though it’s true though in general history isn’t as convinced. And besides this feels like one of those things where a trade might make sense in 3 years or whenever if the situations lined up and there was a great partner etc, but thats s lot of ifs and you’re sort of talking as though we can know that a trade will be a good idea.
-You’ve hedged a lot against actually saying that Maxey’s not doing something dozens of others couldn’t do, but it feels like you’re still thinking it. Again Maxey’s shown enough for us to know that yeah he’s streaky and one dimensional but he’s also just a gamer. He averaged a hyper efficient 20/5/5+ against a great defense in a PO series lots of folks thought we’d lose, and he was flat unstoppable many times in the PO. I feel weird going to bat from him since I generally feel cooler on him than most but again how could you not remember all those hero moments not long ago. Definitely made me a believer.

[ProcessDoctor]

Just putting this out there - Tisse is 4th in Defensive RAPTOR (> 400 minutes played).

[Stanford]

Just putting this out there - Tisse is 4th in Defensive RAPTOR (> 400 minutes played).

What's Jokic?

[NYSixersFan]

Just putting this out there - Tisse is 4th in Defensive RAPTOR (> 400 minutes played).

Does that mean we can actually get someone good for him?

[Negrodamus]

The Matisse exhibit is almost over at the Philadelphia Museum of Art. Hopefully that similarly means the Matisse exhibit will conclude at the Well Fargo Center at around the same time.

[ProcessDoctor]

Just putting this out there - Tisse is 4th in Defensive RAPTOR (> 400 minutes played).

What's Jokic?

Lol he's 12th. Don't let that discredit the tool for you though...

On a similar note, it sounds like a lot of you are completely out on him?

[SixthStreet]

I've reversed my position on him and I'm all in. He's going to be a big part of the rest of the season and into the playoffs. He's becoming more disciplined defensively without losing his special deflection ability.

[HardenGoat]

I think he’s doing a fine job and is our best overall defender in terms of disrupting the other teams star players. He shut down Lillard who later went on to drop a 60 piece. I say keep him

[Embiid P]

I think he’s doing a fine job and is our best overall defender in terms of disrupting the other teams star players. He shut down Lillard who later went on to drop a 60 piece. I say keep him

It all depends on what he's willing to take in the offseason. I think realistically, he'll command somewhere in the 10-12 million per range. Any more than that and I think we let him walk.

[Stanford]

12 million for Matisse Thybulle? He can't even get on the court