Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[ProcessDoctor]

Would y’all trade Maxey and Tobias for zion?
Harden- melton- zion-pj tucker- Joel

I would trade Maxey for Kawhi, Siakam, or Trae before Zion. Zion has too many reasons to be unavailable and isn't focused on winning a championship at this stage of his career. Same thing goes for Ja.

Well I do think that's overvaluing Maxey for either Trae or Kawhi with Tobi. Now Siakam, perhaps, I do like that fit but I have my doubts as to getting him.

Just stars that might hypothetically be available. I imagine both LAC and ATL are planning to run it back this year.

With Siakam, I'd probably need an extension agreement with him before pulling the trigger since he's a FA next summer. I'd also need to know Seth Curry would be interested in re-joining this team to replace Maxey's spacing. Even with the extension and Curry, I'm on the fence about a Maxey-Siakam swap.

[Negrodamus]

One thing I’m for sure going to do is cheer for Tobias to win all non-playoff games against us so I can hear him say “Luke Kennard over me?!?” as he walks into the lockerroom

[the_process]

Would y’all trade Maxey and Tobias for zion?
Harden- melton- zion-pj tucker- Joel

No.

[Arsenal]

Harden is gonna get 3 with a 4th PO, all eyes are on Tobias now.

There's no chance he gets 4 guaranteed real years, even less so with a PO the 4th year.

3 guaranteed years, tops. If there is any guaranteed money in Year 4, it will just be a small amount ala Chris Paul this year, and will mean less money in the first 3 years.

[Stanford]

Unfortunately, we're not doing anything with Harden and Embiid as the top two. Locking in a second round exit is good enough for ownership though.

[Arsenal]

Unfortunately, we're not doing anything with Harden and Embiid as the top two. Locking in a second round exit is good enough for ownership though.

You've swallowed the blackpill. Sad!

[the_process]

Harden is gonna get 3 with a 4th PO, all eyes are on Tobias now.

That's what a mostly washed GM would do. 2+1 is an average GM. A straight 2 year deal is what good GM's would give.

A 2 year max is better than 2+1 at 40 which would all be better than a 3+1 even at 35.

That being said, where is Harden going to get more money and a better chance to win? 2-80 take it or leave it.

Harden should then be trade bait next summer after signing that unless they make the Finals.

[76ersfan96]

Zion has played more games than Joel at this point in their careers. Zion is someone you take the risk on. He is a potential mvp guy.

[mksp]

Pretty frustrating that Harden is coming back.

I don't see any scenario where the Sixers realistically field a team better without Harden than with him. Besides, his return is far from confirmed.

Maybe, maybe not. But I can imagine a scenario where the Sixers are at least fun to watch without Harden, and while more volatile, have some untapped upside or something that they just can't hit with Harden.

Part of being a fan is having fun watching your team play basketball, and I derived no joy from his past year. Just a slog, with a predictable ending. Just a personal thing.

[Arsenal]

Here's an owner who's truly committed to winning. Ready to EXPLODE right through the Super Apron. Can we say the same for that little rat that owns the Sixers? Doubtful. He's never cared about winning, just lining his pockets like the greedy bastard he is.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271984/Suns-Believe-They-Have-Edge-To-Explode-Right-Through-Second-Luxury-Tax-Apron

[Ferry Avenue]

Unfortunately, we're not doing anything with Harden and Embiid as the top two. Locking in a second round exit is good enough for ownership though.

No doubt about that. Any formula designed to get this team past the second round must involve some alteration of the tip of the team's spear. Changing the feathers on it won't do the trick. That was forecasted as well when Harden was obtained, as neither he nor Embiid function in the manner necessary in that capacity.

[Arsenal]

Zion has played more games than Joel at this point in their careers. Zion is someone you take the risk on. He is a potential mvp guy.

I'd have to do the Maxey + Harris for Zion trade. Agree that Zion has too much potential to pass up. MVP caliber talent.

I also think he's wanted out of NO for awhile and never wanted to be there to begin with. Significant chance his availability goes up drastically once he gets somewhere he wants to go.

[ProcessDoctor]

Here's an owner who's truly committed to winning. Ready to EXPLODE right through the Super Apron. Can we say the same for that little rat that owns the Sixers? Doubtful. He's never cared about winning, just lining his pockets like the greedy bastard he is.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271984/Suns-Believe-They-Have-Edge-To-Explode-Right-Through-Second-Luxury-Tax-Apron

Ironically, I had the exact opposite thought when I read that. That team is absolutely **** man. Ishbia is reckless. They have about 2 years to win, and whether they do or don't, they will be irrelevant for a decade after. They have no future foundation outside of what they get in a Booker trade in 3 years. They are one of the last franchises I would want to be a fan of right now.

[Arsenal]

Here's an owner who's truly committed to winning. Ready to EXPLODE right through the Super Apron. Can we say the same for that little rat that owns the Sixers? Doubtful. He's never cared about winning, just lining his pockets like the greedy bastard he is.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271984/Suns-Believe-They-Have-Edge-To-Explode-Right-Through-Second-Luxury-Tax-Apron

Ironically, I had the exact opposite thought when I read that. That team is absolutely **** man. Ishbia is reckless. They have about 2 years to win, and whether they do or don't, they will be irrelevant for a decade after. They have no future foundation outside of what they get in a Booker trade in 3 years. They are one of the last franchises I would want to be a fan of right now.

They're only fcuked if they are handicapped re: payroll like the rest of the league which apparently won't cross the 2nd Apron. OTOH if the Suns are willing to explode past the 2nd Apron, they have a great chance to win chips.

[ProcessDoctor]

Here's an owner who's truly committed to winning. Ready to EXPLODE right through the Super Apron. Can we say the same for that little rat that owns the Sixers? Doubtful. He's never cared about winning, just lining his pockets like the greedy bastard he is.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271984/Suns-Believe-They-Have-Edge-To-Explode-Right-Through-Second-Luxury-Tax-Apron

Ironically, I had the exact opposite thought when I read that. That team is absolutely **** man. Ishbia is reckless. They have about 2 years to win, and whether they do or don't, they will be irrelevant for a decade after. They have no future foundation outside of what they get in a Booker trade in 3 years. They are one of the last franchises I would want to be a fan of right now.

They're only fcuked if they are handicapped re: payroll like the rest of the league which apparently won't cross the 2nd Apron. OTOH if the Suns are willing to explode past the 2nd Apron, they have a great chance to win chips.

Sure, if you have unlimited money and you're only concerned about the fees. The more important issue is you are extremely limited in being able to construct a real basketball team, which they don't have.

Penalties for exceeding the second apron include the loss of the mid-level exception, a ban on including cash as part of trades and the inability to accept more salary in a trade than the team sends out. A team in the second apron will also be unable to aggregate salary in trades and cannot trade its first-round pick seven years in the future (ie. its 2030 pick in 2023/24) or sign players on the buyout market.

Also, if a team exceeds the second apron and remains there in two of the four subsequent years, its frozen draft pick (the one that was initially seven years out) will get moved to the end of the first round, regardless of the team’s record in that season.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/04/nba-to-phase-in-second-tax-apron.html

Phoenix is cooked.

[sixers hoops]

Ironically, I had the exact opposite thought when I read that. That team is absolutely **** man. Ishbia is reckless. They have about 2 years to win, and whether they do or don't, they will be irrelevant for a decade after. They have no future foundation outside of what they get in a Booker trade in 3 years. They are one of the last franchises I would want to be a fan of right now.

They're only fcuked if they are handicapped re: payroll like the rest of the league which apparently won't cross the 2nd Apron. OTOH if the Suns are willing to explode past the 2nd Apron, they have a great chance to win chips.

Sure, if you have unlimited money and you're only concerned about the fees. The more important issue is you are extremely limited in being able to construct a real basketball team, which they don't have.

Penalties for exceeding the second apron include the loss of the mid-level exception, a ban on including cash as part of trades and the inability to accept more salary in a trade than the team sends out. A team in the second apron will also be unable to aggregate salary in trades and cannot trade its first-round pick seven years in the future (ie. its 2030 pick in 2023/24) or sign players on the buyout market.

Also, if a team exceeds the second apron and remains there in two of the four subsequent years, its frozen draft pick (the one that was initially seven years out) will get moved to the end of the first round, regardless of the team’s record in that season.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/04/nba-to-phase-in-second-tax-apron.html

Phoenix is cooked.

Yeah. I guess they are kind of locked in once they cross the second apron. It’s ride or die with Durant, Booker, Beal, Ayton, and Payne. Similar to the Nets team that could never get it done. Beal is more reliable than Kyrie at least.

Nevertheless, Durant, Booker, and Beal give you two or three years where they should have a legit shot at contending.

[sixers hoops]

It should be noted that last season Maxey missed 26 games, Harden missed 24, and Embiid missed 16. We still finished with the 3rd best record in the NBA. Were we in the Finals last season if those guys missed fewer games and we were #2 instead of #3? I don't know the answer to that and I'm not pretending to, but my point is the league is wide open right now and you can't let top-25 (20?) talent walk for nothing.

Every contending team needs to catch breaks (i.e. Denver was healthy for the first time in a long time, Miami played against an injured Giannis, Lakers made a helluva deadline trade). Retaining Harden keeps us in that conversation. The rest is improving on the margins with a Tobais trade, Nurse coaching, and catching other non-predictable breaks.

I don’t think they are acquiring a star finisher, so the roster improvements have to happen around the edges. I ignore all of the Beal, Lillard, Zion, etc talk, because I think we are moving forward with Embiid, Harden, and Maxey as our big three. Morey pushed our remaining chips in for Harden, and trading Maxey will prob next us less value than I would want.

Unfortunately, the last ten years or so I watched primarily Sixers games so I’m not really knowledgeable in regards to undervalued gems on other teams rosters. I like McDaniels and Melton pickups, but Morey needs to find more players with a cheap price tag that can have more of an impact come playoff time.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I want Tobias Harris outta here.

[ProcessDoctor]

It should be noted that last season Maxey missed 26 games, Harden missed 24, and Embiid missed 16. We still finished with the 3rd best record in the NBA. Were we in the Finals last season if those guys missed fewer games and we were #2 instead of #3? I don't know the answer to that and I'm not pretending to, but my point is the league is wide open right now and you can't let top-25 (20?) talent walk for nothing.

Every contending team needs to catch breaks (i.e. Denver was healthy for the first time in a long time, Miami played against an injured Giannis, Lakers made a helluva deadline trade). Retaining Harden keeps us in that conversation. The rest is improving on the margins with a Tobais trade, Nurse coaching, and catching other non-predictable breaks.

I don’t think they are acquiring a star finisher, so the roster improvements have to happen around the edges. I ignore all of the Beal, Lillard, Zion, etc talk, because I think we are moving forward with Embiid, Harden, and Maxey as our big three. Morey pushed our remaining chips in for Harden, and trading Maxey will prob next us less value than I would want.

Unfortunately, the last ten years or so I watched primarily Sixers games so I’m not really knowledgeable in regards to undervalued gems on other teams rosters. I like McDaniels and Melton pickups, but Morey needs to find more players with a cheap price tag that can have more of an impact come playoff time.

One player I hope we've been eyeing is Kyle Anderson. He provides defense, playmaking, and rebounding that would allow him to serve as the perfect piece in our 2nd unit. It's tough to envision how to acquire him though, especially if only Tobias is involved.

[Iverson Armband]

mjkvol wrote:
To me the coaching change will be the single most impactful move of the off season, and I think a run it back has a legitimate shot at competing for a championship due to that more than anything else they may or may not do. Also, there is no juggernaut out there to fear, and there is not a whole lot separating the top 7-8 teams.

Iverson Armband wrote:
This fanbase is delusional. We’re coming off another playoff meltdown, and people are thinking a coach who was just fired himself is the savior lol. Denver is clearly a lot better than us. Boston has owned us for the past 6-7 years lol. We haven’t proven we can beat the Heat in a series either. Also can’t rule out Milwaukee and Phoenix as they have better top end talent than we do. If no major changes are made this team will be legit contenders, how exactly? Sure they might win 50+ games in the regular season, but there is nothing there to show me it won’t just be more of the same in May.


Never got the chance to respond to this. I'm not sure anyone is clearly better than anyone in the league right now. We had Boston on the ropes and let them off, and they clearly have issues with Brown and depth guys due to be paid, and something is definitely missing there. MIA had an incredibly charmed run to get to a finals where they were outclassed. MIL has got their own problems with an aging core making a lot of money.

I'm not worried about the teams in the West because we'll have reached a finals before we even have to think about that, but Denver had incredible luck health-wise and I need to see how PHX is even going to field an 8-9 player rotation at this point.

I'm assuming that Morey is going to address some roster issues like backup PG and shooting, but even if we stood pat, the presence of Nurse is a monster upgrade.

For one thing, he's going to give promising youth a chance, seeing if he can find potential contributors that are already in-house - Rivers had to be forced to give Maxey his shot, and Reed would never have seen the court except that his chosen guys were proven beyond cooked.

He will be far more flexible with regard to rotations, and will try different things scheme-wise on both ends. He will use the regular season as a laboratory as opposed to trying to pad his career W-L. He will bring a 21st century approach to a team that has been locked into an archaic, inflexible program for the last three years.

These are just obvious changes and differences, and while it guarantees nothing, it will certainly be a far different looking team come 2024.

It’s possible that it’s a different looking team, for sure. As I said, the team could very well win 50+ games again.

But as long as Harden is here and we don’t have a legit #1 to pair with Joel, it’ll be more of the same. Joel is NOT a number 1 option. And I hate to break it to you, but Tobias Harris… the guy you think sucks, ain’t bringing much. I have absolutely NO confidence in Harden and any feeling to the contrary is just wishful thinking at this point based on absolutely zero logic.