HotelVitale wrote:M2J wrote:Eyeamok wrote:How did he misjudge the market so badly and turn down the Heat offer ? $65 for 5 years vs $32 for 4 years. For a role player that is massive.
They look at what comparable or even worse guys are getting and think they can as well. A few players have fallen in that position this summer... This apron stuff is new and players feel they can opt out and at least receive the ntp MLE from some team and it's just not out there. Not an off season with lots of available money and it seems the middle class value is changing.
I mean some similar guys to Martin or Derrick Jones like DFS are getting 15 million without being super value players that were essentially playoff stars and helped their teams get to the finals in recent years.... And they're in their primes and believe they're close to or nearly as good as Josh Hart who makes 20 million. I was surprised to see DJJ sign quickly for about 10 million and not 13+ at least
Don't think it's the aprons or the current market really, more that like you said Caleb Martin's not a great guy to invest a ton of $ into. He's a 5th starter/solid rotation guy, we're rightfully excited for him given our situation but he's just a 10/4 guy on meh efficiency who's not particularly great at anything. He's going to help a team that already has like 5 good players, but he's not going to change the trajectory of an okay or blah team who needs to add a 3rd or 4th best player and he's not an elite role player either.
I think this type of 'middle class' has always been valued about like this. For the past 5 years there's been like 30-40 guys on maxes, then like 80-90 who make like $13-33m, then like 50 guys who make MLE-ish money ($8-12m). That's about 180-190 guys or 6 per team, and it makes sense as a range for teams to get their top 6 guys together. We can all think of a few examples of stpid overpays for guys as good or worse than Martin, but those are more exceptions to the norm. Martin's probably a little underpaid but he's around where he should be IMO.
(Also when he signed his current deal DFS was viewed as a significantly better defender and shooter than Martin is. DFS was just coming off two seasons of shooting 40% and was a highly valued 3D guy at the time, shine has come off him some in the last couple years).
Well there's big discrepancy with that middle class. Like Hart again is making 20 million... Older KCP just got a raise for similar numbers and he's more efficient.
However, to my point 25-year-old efficient enough 3 and D guy named Gary Trent jr. Who may be the best scoring and shooting guy in this discussion... Is possibly about to get a minimum deal. Not even being welcome back to his team where he fits the timeline for. But, most importantly is being paid 18.5 million this year and possibly going to sign a minimum deal at 25 this summer.
In other words with this middle class revelation, and guys like Brunson choosing to shave 100 million just to stay on the competitive team in the city he wants to be on and Paul George choosing to take the money to be able to he doesn't want to necessarily beyond... Albeit a better situation....,......…........................….,.................The owners won the previous CBA. Because they can always point to not necessarily the money, but instead the team management limitations as to why they didn't spend and why they have to negotiate.
As Lloyd stated teams are not behaving normally and that behavior says that unless they truly believe a move will get them exactly what their goals are... They aren't just throwing money around for Caleb Martin's of the world.