Iggy & Sammy

[SendEm]

When Iggy drives the lane? When does he ever do that? He gets covered defensively by one player and dribbles and shoots a pull up jumpshot like 90% of the time. Whenever he does decide to force the issue on a defender it allways turns into some sort of back to the basket move like a turn around fadeaway jumpshot or a weird pass like last night when he hit Jason Smith in the face with an unexpected pass while obviously the play was an isolation for HIM and Jason was looking to set a screen. Iggy does give the ball up, but a good pass doesn't only have to be accurate but it literally has to be a GOOD PASS, sometimes a good shot is better than a pass.

[philly262]

Are you serious? Paul has West and Chandler. Ford has Bogut, Charlie V and Yi and AI has Melo, Camby, Martin and Nene. Iggy has Evans and Sammy!

Actually Ford has Bosh, arguably a top 5 pf in the league.

And he has a swarm of shooters around him.

Toronto's whole offense is basically spread the lane with shooters, and have Bosh post up, and have Ford and Calderdon either drive or dish.

[The Guilty Party]

Thanku. For some reason he believes he is better then everyone here. His hate for DALA is starting to remind me of Rickys hate for Sammy. Ricky must have cut his wrist with how well Sammy is playing this season.

This persona AKA The Tina Turner (simply the best, better than all of the rest) is old. It's been played on this board a number of times over the 5 years I've been on here and it always ends up the same way. I don't get why some people who claim (and seem) to have knowledge of the game insist on putting other people down. As a intelligent blonde girl once told me, "to each is to own".

[76erinSJ]

I forgot Ford is on the Raptors now. Thats makes it even worse for his point when he has Bosh. Has anyone else noticed that when you call him on one of his points he just ignores it instead of manning up?

[philly262]

When Iggy drives the lane? When does he ever do that? He gets covered defensively by one player and dribbles and shoots a pull up jumpshot like 90% of the time. Whenever he does decide to force the issue on a defender it allways turns into some sort of back to the basket move like a turn around fadeaway jumpshot or a weird pass like last night when he hit Jason Smith in the face with an unexpected pass while obviously the play was an isolation for HIM and Jason was looking to set a screen. Iggy does give the ball up, but a good pass doesn't only have to be accurate but it literally has to be a GOOD PASS, sometimes a good shot is better than a pass.

Why should Iggy drive to the lane, if there's a bunch of defenders there?

Not everyone is Iverson who can wiggle himself through defenders and get to the basket.

Most players need other players to open up the lanes, and no matter how good a pg you have, unless you have space for slashers to slash, you won't be able to score.

[SendEm]

But Tayshaun was like 20 times better on defense than any defense that I have ever seen Iggy perform. Where are the pluses for Iggy in comparison to Tayshaun? Tayshaun is the better team player. Neither one of them is a go to player, but Tayshaun is a far more accomplished player, champion, All Star and probable Olympian...

[tk76]

Ricky must have cut his wrist with how well Sammy is playing this season.

No, actually he is on Phillyfans forum continuing to harp on how bad Sam is- but he has admitted Sam has improved (maybe baby steps)

[The Guilty Party]

SendEm.... do you believe Iguodala would thrive if he were placed on that Detroit team intead of Prince or do you believe he would pretty much be the same player we are seeing now when he is surrounded with mostly trash??

[SendEm]

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Why should Iggy drive to the lane, if there's a bunch of defenders there?

Not everyone is Iverson who can wiggle himself through defenders and get to the basket.

Most players need other players to open up the lanes, and no matter how good a pg you have, unless you have space for slashers to slash, you won't be able to score.

Parker wiggles and shoots teardrops maybe you haven't noticed but that doesn't change the facts.

No excuses for Iggy. He simply just isn't good enough to get in the lane. Tracy Mcgrady, Kobe, Vince, and Carmelo have average alot of points and made major half court dunks in this league. Why can't Iggy? Because he doesn't have that talent, skill, and heart.

[76erinSJ]

Prince is on the Pistons. He had the Wallaces, Billups and Rip to play with. If Dala was on that team in place of Prince he would have the same accolades. Once again you dont put everything into the equation. If Jordan was drafted by the Clippers and never was surround with Pippen and the players alike would he have won all those chips? You have to take everything into account. And he was comparing Prince and Iggys aggressiveness during their first 2 years. He never compared there defensive ability's. You did. Another classic Sendem change the subject move when someone makes a valid point.

[tk76]

Neither one of them is a go to player, but Tayshaun is a far more accomplished player, champion, All Star and probable Olympian...

I like both their games. I am amazed at how effectively Prince uses his length despite his thin build. He must have amazing balance, because he rarely seems to pay for his lack of strength.

Just like with Manu, I think either could be swapped for Dala and their teams would still be great and Dala would be seen as a key star on the team. None of them are number one scoring options, but they all are good players. Dala just lacks the quality teammates and has to force his scoring more than suits his game.

Prince would hate playing on the Sixers. I'm starting to wonder if Dala might start hate playing on this team too, if we don't upgrade our talent level.

[philly262]

Parker's lane is alot more open than Iggy's is.

Maybe you haven't noticed but when Iggy drives the whole defense collaspes on him.

Parker has NEVER been the defense's number one target on offense.

And where did the comparisons to Kobe, Carter,Tracy and Melo come from? I never said he was on their level.

My whole point is that guys like Parker, benefit from great teammates, good offensive systems, that allow them to drive to the lane as easy as they do.

A guy like Iguodala has a harder time to drive to the lane because he doesn't have good teammates or a good offensive system.

And that's why Iguodala settles for jumpers alot.

I don't know if you ever played basketball but when you're playing with a bunch of scrubs and you're trying to drive, you're not going to just try to into the lane if they're going to pack it in. You either shoot jumpers, or you try to drive and dish.

[76erinSJ]

I think sendem was the guy picked last or wasnt picked.

[SendEm]

It's not as simple as teams "packing in the paint" that's preventing Iggy from driving. I mean if you all choose to believe that regardless of what you see then be my guest because I'm not gonna argue against someone telling me that the sky is orange when I KNOW that it is blue. His break down dribble is only good enough to get off a pull up jumper and he doesn't have the reckless nature to attack the rim. Ask yourselves when was the last time you seen Iguodala hit the floor?

[freshie2]

I think you would see a different approach if he had a PF or consistent swing player to dish to after driving. Reggie and Willie aren't going to have defenders glued to them, nor Sammy for that reason. How many passes to a big inside results in a TO b/c they weren't expecting it or it just bounces of their hands...that would frustrate the heck out of me.

I would like to see him drive more, but I think this isn't based on his lack of heart, talent, etc that you seem to be implying.

[noone]

No excuses for Iggy. He simply just isn't good enough to get in the lane. Tracy Mcgrady, Kobe, Vince, and Carmelo have average alot of points and made major half court dunks in this league. Why can't Iggy? Because he doesn't have that talent, skill, and heart.

Who the heck even said Andre is close to as good as those players? But just the fact that you mentioned Andre with those guys makes me think you feel Andre is better than you're letting on.

Many people turned on Sammy after seeing his potential and seeing him come up short time after time after time. You thought Andre would be a superstar in this league didnt do? And he's disappointing you much like Sammy did the rest of us so now you've turned on him.

Now tell us how you really feel.

[Raskolnikov]

Since when did 15 5 and 5 become a benchmark for a players success? Call me back with a 20 7 and 7 list because this Iggy comparison to BETTER PLAYERS by way of three numbers in his statline accumulated over 39 MINUTES is very overrated and misleading. Iggy plays 39 minutes a game, I think that all of the years of Sixers fans watching Iverson play 40+ minutes a game have mislead many of you into believing that your best perimeter player is SUPPOSE to log that many minutes night after night. Well in Iggy's case it's doing nothing but padding his little stats. Ginobili has the same statline as Iggy and he only plays 28 minutes a night 19 4.6 and 4.2.

I am getting sick of you and your stupidity. Lets just trade Iggy for Ginobili, I am certain San Antonio is down with that trade. Tell me players who averaged 20/7/7 the past 20 years and we'll talk.

[SendEm]

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I am getting sick of you and your stupidity. Lets just trade Iggy for Ginobili, I am certain San Antonio is down with that trade. Tell me players who averaged 20/7/7 the past 20 years and we'll talk.

I don't overrate the stat line, stat lines alone don't make you a good player and averaging ONLY 19 5 and 5 in 39 minutes is NOT any accomplishment of distinction to credit Iguodala with "achieving". Those who do that are foolish or are looking to fool the foolish. As for the players that have averaged ATLEAST 20 7 and 7 for a season within the last 20 years:
Grant Hill
Scottie Pippen
Lebron James
Magic Johnson
Michael Jordan
Larry Bird

If anything 20 7 and 7 is the club, not 19 5 and 5 which Iggy isn't even officially averaging.

[freshie2]

The fact that @ 23 years old, his averages/play is at a high enough level that you can bring up those players for a comparison says something for him.

[tk76]

Since this thread is going nowhere I will keep my post to caveman...

Dala Good.

Sixers Bad.

Superstars very good.

Very good plays on same team have good team. Sixers not good.

Boo.