Dbodners Interview with Ed

Sixersftw · Post #41 » by **Sixersftw** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:28 pm

I want say that i actually would not give up daly in a trad that involves amare. I'm not one of the people saying that sam is worth as much as him either. Amare is one of the worst defensive pf's in the league this year. If we somehow aquired him, we would need someone to cover up his horrid defense.

sec-106 · Post #42 » by **sec-106** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:29 pm

More and more I love the hiring of Ed Stefanski.

He honest, accessible, and respectful of the fanbase's understanding of the game and team.

And, maybe more importantly, I have FAR more confidence that ES can pull off a major deal (Amare?!?) than BK could.

Fire BK · Post #43 » by **Fire BK** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:08 pm

Sixersftw wrote:I want say that i actually would not give up daly in a trad that involves amare. I'm not one of the people saying that sam is worth as much as him either. Amare is one of the worst defensive pf's in the league this year. If we somehow aquired him, we would need someone to cover up his horrid defense.

Wow. Thank goodness you're not the Sixers' GM.

The Suns are a terrible defensive team because their point guard can't stop anybody. Everyone can penetrate on him. Look at how the Mavs were with Nash. Amare is not a defensive stalwart, but he's good enough. You NEED a real post presence who commands a double-team in order to win in the NBA. Even considering Amare's defense, Amare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam.

Sixersftw · Post #44 » by **Sixersftw** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:18 pm

Wow. thank goodness you can read?

Sixersftw wrote:I'm not one of the people saying that sam is worth as much as him either.

So you saying that amare> sam brings nothing to this conversation. Everyone gets that.

amares defense is downright terrible. That said I would trade everyone besides sam to get him.

Salvistine24 · Post #45 » by **Salvistine24** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:28 pm

amare is without a doubt one of the top two young bigs in the game with dwight howard...i understand the sentiment about pairing sam with him but i still think we could use a bigger body center next to amare than a skinny athletic hybrid like sam...i would trade sam for amare then look for a center with the 6-7 mil i have left over...i think a guy like dampier would be a nice fit next to amare, just someone who can rebound and do the dirty work...ideally you would like to get someone younger tho, maybe a haywood type of guy

either way, id trade everyone on our roster for amare and sam is one of the first i would try to trade...just my opinion but i think we need a bigger center next to him and to win a title

freshie2 · Post #46 » by **freshie2** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:50 pm

I get confused a bit here...so if you deal 'everything' you have to get Amare (including Sam) what chips do you have left to get a better center than Sam to play next to Amare?

Amare is a tremendous talent, and it would be tough to second guess acquiring him, but Amare + a developmental league team is not as good as the team they have now. Realistically, they should AT LEAST still keep Sam, and one of Andre Miller/Lou Williams and one of Iguodala/Thad from the main core. Remember, Shaq was acquired for a package of 3 solid to borderline all star players...Amare is still has the major injury in his past to consider, and is not as dominant as Shaq.

Salvistine24 · Post #47 » by **Salvistine24** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:08 pm

i think the wording was confusing...what i mean by that is i think that i could send any player in a package for amare and no one should be untouchable...now obviously that doesnt mean im trading sam, iggy, thad, our pick, and miller to phx

it means that if phx wanted to deal, id start with a trade based around daly and our pick i guess then work from there...if they prefer other players on our roster such as iggy, id deal him but they wouldnt get as much with him as they would with daly and so on

seeing as how we have imo 7 chips that could acquire amare realistically...they are:

sam
miller
iggy
pick
lou will
thad
smith

out of those, id probably try to base a deal sam and smith first before the others just bc i like having a solid perimeter with my big and would like a bigger center next to amare than the hybrid sam...do i think sam nd smith is enough, no but they are the first chips id try to move...hope that clears it up

freshie2 · Post #48 » by **freshie2** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:12 pm

Yes...going on a 3 player for Amare basis, I think a #1 pick (could be this year's) then one of Sam/Iguodala/Thad and then one of Miller/Williams. If Sam is not involved, then I'd consider Smith as well. Would not trade Sam and Smith, b/c then you have only one big man...my preference would be to keep two.

sec-106 · Post #49 » by **sec-106** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:16 pm

To me, the key is getting a high enough pick in the 2008 Draft that would satisfy PHO.

bebopdeluxe · Post #50 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:22 pm

I think that Iggy/Sam/2008 #1 pick is WAY too high a price for Amare.

philly262 · Post #51 » by **philly262** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:25 pm

Let's say we get a high pick, like a top 3 pick

Would you really trade Iggy, Smith and (Rose,Beasley, Jordan) for Amare?

I wouldn't because I think if you add any one of those players, they could eventually have the same effect as Amare, espcially Beasley or Jordan.

Now if we end up with anything below 5, I would definetly trade the pick.

Post #52 » by **dbodner** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:34 pm

I may be in the minority, but I'm not sure I'd give up the farm for Amare. Iggy + Smith? Sure. Throw in the pick (if it's top 3)? I'm hesitating. Amare's defense has always been bad, and has been really bad since the injury. He's a fantastic offensive player, and I'd love to have him. But if we end up trading 3-4 very good players for him (Let's say Iggy, Derrick Rose and Thad Young), how far away are we from contending still?

Post #53 » by **tk76** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:58 pm

The only reason I even think we have any shot at all for AMare is our capspace.

If we give them:

12M trade exemption (cap space) + #7 pick + Iguodala + Smith (they need a big man back, and he fits their system well)

I see this as appealing to them- they can save face by getting a relatively well known young player in return in Iguodala. They gate the cap space they truley desire (some of which would be eaten up by Dala) and they get a big man who might grow into a stud in that syetem... and a lotery pick.

That: would leave us with:

Miller
WG/Carney
Thad
Amare
Sam

Bench: Lou, WG/Carney, Filler (from Suns)

Still a lottery team, but much more promising to build around since a SG and PG are easier to acquire in the next year (assuming Lou can't start.) We likely would have a lottery pick and cap space in summer '09 to fill in the gaps. This reasoning would even make Sendem happy.

Post #54 » by **tk76** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:01 pm

I'm not sure what Iguodala would count against the cap in this trade, but salaries don't have to match since we will be under that cap if the move was made in the summer.

freshie2 · Post #55 » by **freshie2** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:05 pm

You have to consider a trade for Amare, but I agree that if the 'core' is promising, it's difficult to give up 3 main pieces of the core to get him.

Post #56 » by **tk76** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:09 pm

I don't think Dala and Smith is too much. It would hurt to give up a lottery pick- but having Sma and Amare as the frontcourt for 5+ years would be a good window for success.

UptownPhilly · Post #57 » by **UptownPhilly** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:33 pm

I'd rather give up the draft pick then Iguodala.

Cap Space + Iguodala and maybe the Jazz pick is probably enough to get Amare. If that's not enough, then we should forget about him and take a gamble in the draft.

Also, the only way we get rid of Iguodala is if his attitude gets any worse.

A Core of Iguodala, Stoudemire, Young, and Dalembert is very promising, especially if Young lives up to his potential.

Post #58 » by **tk76** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:39 pm

A big name would have to come back to the Suns in any Amare trade. Nash is older, and unless they want to completely blow things up, they need someone to put in the line-up that helps then continue to be contenders, while freeing up cap space and getting picks for the post Nash rebuild.

Salvistine24 · Post #59 » by **Salvistine24** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:43 pm

i dont think there is anyway possible to acquire amare and still have a core of iggy/thad/amare/sam unless the pick is top 2 overall...again we have roughly 7 assets that phx would be interested in:miller, iggy, pick, louwill, thad, sam, and smith

now phx would seem to have no use for miller unless it was a 3way deal so that leaves you with a package of 6 from the list above and i dont think any of those things alone can get u amare sans the number 1 overall pick (and if thats the case, ill take a chance with beasley instead of amare)

i say try to build the trade around sam and hopefully our pick in the 5-7 range with a trade exception...thats my ideal scenario right now...then find a way in fa or trade to get a big bruising center (doesnt have to be a star) who plays solid defense

UptownPhilly · Post #60 » by **UptownPhilly** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:00 pm

Well if that's the case, it's between Iguodala and Sam.

Iguodala: He will be a very good pro, but he'll have to play the two guard position, in order to succeed here. I have a lot of confidence that Louis Williams can play the shooting guard if he's paired up with a big point guard. I also want Young to start at small forward, and I believe that he will exceed many people's expectations in time.

Dalembert: He's improved greatly, but if we exchange him for Stoudemire, we only need someone to get a defensive minded Center, even if he's Reggie Evans on offense. With that said we take a project center if we can't get our man. Sam, himself is a project that is starting to turn out well.

The Ideal scenario:

Miller or other PG
Iguodala
Young
Stoudemire
Center