So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

[TTP]

What's the sample size on this "Shake isn't clutch" nonsense? Clutchness is generally overrated to begin with.

[ProcessDoctor]

Damian Lillard needs to become available. That's the next "big" star that I hope becomes available. LaVine and Beal are nice, but I question if the addition of either puts us in the same tier as the LA teams or Brooklyn.

Edit: just have to hope Portland misses the playoffs this year and Simmons retains some of his value/perceived upside until the offseason.

[youngcrev]

i said it’s not an issue with how Biid and Tobias are shooting right now.

So I notice..

“the W/L column, the Sixers have been fantastic in clutch situations this year with a 5-1 record”

I'm just thrown by why you'd even bother to bring up the numbers in the context of it being a problem when they obviously don't show that.

I think it's a legit question mark for the team. But aside from the Jimmy year, we're better built for these situations than we have been.

because i want people to know the limitation of Shake, a player i really like.

Shake is a good player. But as of now, he’s not proven to be reliable to participate in those “trading baskets” moments in crunch time. Like what recently we’ve witnessed Colin Sexton did against the Nets. He’s nowhere near that good and his scoring is done mostly on the non-crucial moments of the game.

So for now, like I pointed out, I do acknowledge that we are doing well for now. But this relies a lot on Tobi and Biid’s hot shooting this season. And like I said, it’s not an issues if both can sustain it. But im staying open minded to the possibility in a “what if” scenario if both guys would revert back to how they play in recent years.

Well then we're just back to interpreting the stat poorly. It's not a limitation for Shake, it's an unknown. They haven't put the ball in Shake's hands down the stretch (which has been both obvious and frustrating while watching, particularly in that Memphis game). I think that'll change if he continues to play at this level and Doc will be forced to give him those opportunities, particularly when Jo's out.

[elchengue20]

Can't believe people are expecting Shake to be the main shot creator on a potential championship team. Won't happen.

He can be a Lou Williams or Dennis Schoreder, he won't ever be Harden or Lebron James or Steph Curry. That's just a pipe dream.

He has been a pleasant surprise and a steal because we got a good 6th man outta nowhere on a cheap deal.But that's it.

[youngcrev]

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Pivot? (Didnt feel like it needed a thread)

[TTP]

Can't believe people are expecting Shake to be the main shot creator on a potential championship team. Won't happen.

He can be a Lou Williams or Dennis Schoreder, he won't ever be Harden or Lebron James or Steph Curry. That's just a pipe dream.

He has been a pleasant surprise and a steal because we got a good 6th man outta nowhere on a cheap deal.But that's it.

Dream big or go home.

[TTP]

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In 20 years when we retire his jersey, I will be in here bumping this to shame you for not giving this man his own thread.

[DCasey91]

Can't believe people are expecting Shake to be the main shot creator on a potential championship team. Won't happen.

He can be a Lou Williams or Dennis Schoreder, he won't ever be Harden or Lebron James or Steph Curry. That's just a pipe dream.

He has been a pleasant surprise and a steal because we got a good 6th man outta nowhere on a cheap deal.But that's it.

Who else is going to do it? Harris nope.
Embiid gets covered on post ups down the stretch then what.

Shake in my eyes (maybe not elite but no one on the team is) is our only legit 3 lvl scorer on the perimeter.

If we get an upgrade fine. He can be 6th man. But until that point it’s misguided starting Maxey over Milton. The swap of places should be a given. Let Maxey go through the warts off the bench. (Simmons & Maxey don’t work well together, Simmons/Harris/Milton go perfect together.)

[elchengue20]

Can't believe people are expecting Shake to be the main shot creator on a potential championship team. Won't happen.

He can be a Lou Williams or Dennis Schoreder, he won't ever be Harden or Lebron James or Steph Curry. That's just a pipe dream.

He has been a pleasant surprise and a steal because we got a good 6th man outta nowhere on a cheap deal.But that's it.

Who else is going to do it? Harris nope.
Embiid gets covered on post ups down the stretch then what.

Shake in my eyes (maybe not elite but no one on the team is) is our only legit 3 lvl scorer on the perimeter.

If we get an upgrade fine. He can be 6th man. But until that point it’s misguided starting Maxey over Milton. The swap of places should be a given. Let Maxey go through the warts off the bench. (Simmons & Maxey don’t work well together, Simmons/Harris/Milton go perfect together.)

I agree with everything.

Im just saying that if Shake Milton is our go-to perimeter player, we ain't a championship team.Not even a contender.

And it will remain the same until we bring a legit star to play that role. Shake can improve but he won't be that player ever. Maybe Maxey can but it's still a longshot and in the best case scenario it would take him years to get there.

[DCasey91]

Can't believe people are expecting Shake to be the main shot creator on a potential championship team. Won't happen.

He can be a Lou Williams or Dennis Schoreder, he won't ever be Harden or Lebron James or Steph Curry. That's just a pipe dream.

He has been a pleasant surprise and a steal because we got a good 6th man outta nowhere on a cheap deal.But that's it.

Who else is going to do it? Harris nope.
Embiid gets covered on post ups down the stretch then what.

Shake in my eyes (maybe not elite but no one on the team is) is our only legit 3 lvl scorer on the perimeter.

If we get an upgrade fine. He can be 6th man. But until that point it’s misguided starting Maxey over Milton. The swap of places should be a given. Let Maxey go through the warts off the bench. (Simmons & Maxey don’t work well together, Simmons/Harris/Milton go perfect together.)

I agree with everything.

Im just saying that if Shake Milton is our go-to perimeter player, we ain't a championship team.Not even a contender.

And it will remain the same until we bring a legit star to play that role. Shake can improve but he won't be that player ever. Maybe Maxey can but it's still a longshot and in the best case scenario it would take him years to get there.

Yeah I’m on the same page with you as well. I don’t see this team being a contender this year (way too much reliance on offense with Embiid, can’t trust Harris to be the 2nd option.)

Ages ago I did like a Simmons & Harris swap for Lavine & Markannen (he was super duper undervalued at the beginning of the season.)

Maxey doesn’t match up with the timeline and I’d prefer Milton as the sixth man but that’s just a huge gap on offense with the starting unit when Embiid gets covered.


Curry
Green or ???
Simmons
Harris
Embiid
(Starting unit needs an elite outside creator imo hence the ??? Besides green. The we could move Curry to the bench).

Milton
Maxey
Thybulle (Hits his shots and stops unnecessary fouls he’ll be playable in the playoffs)
??? (Need to upgrade the Mike Scott position ASAP
Howard.

I still reckon we’re one all star caliber player away from contending.

[kriss73]

For whom are we going to trade Simmons today?
Asking for a friend.

[kriss73]

I think we're a deep team this year.
But for the right player, possibly a star wing on multi-year contract, I would give up Maxey (young developing) , Green (expring) + filler + a couple of picks (1° and 2° round).

Maxey is very promising but if we think we need to maximze our chances this year, I can live without him.
Green is more important to this team that what people think, imho, but he's expiring and we're going to lose him anyway netx year.

No idea about who can be on the market for that package and worth the deal.

[Negrodamus]

For whom are we going to trade Simmons today?
Asking for a friend.

It's unlikely that we'll trade Simmons because I feel Doc and Morey like him.

That being said, if Simmons plays poorly, the argument is "if he's so bad, why would anyone want to trade these great players for him".

If he plays well, the argument is "See? You dumb-dumbs want to trade a stud like Simmons?!?"

[Black Mage]

I think Sixers need to consider making a hard push for Jerami Grant. Piston are 3-12. They are going nowhere.

Package Danny/Matisse with picks/swaps. His current contract fits nicely with Embiid's and he's the athletic wing defender we need.

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2021/1/20/22237687/detroit-pistons-jerami-grant-isolation-scorer-lebron-james-giannis-antetokounmpo

Seth/Ben/Grant/Tobias/Embiid. That could be one of our most well rounded lineups available.

[agiaco]

I think Sixers need to consider making a hard push for Jerami Grant. Piston are 3-12. They are going nowhere.

Package Danny/Matisse with picks/swaps. His current contract fits nicely with Embiid's and he's the athletic wing defender we need.

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2021/1/20/22237687/detroit-pistons-jerami-grant-isolation-scorer-lebron-james-giannis-antetokounmpo

Seth/Ben/Grant/Tobias/Embiid. That could be one of our most well rounded lineups available.

Kind of a shame the Sixers dumped him for garbage back in the day.

[Black Mage]

I think Sixers need to consider making a hard push for Jerami Grant. Piston are 3-12. They are going nowhere.

Package Danny/Matisse with picks/swaps. His current contract fits nicely with Embiid's and he's the athletic wing defender we need.

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2021/1/20/22237687/detroit-pistons-jerami-grant-isolation-scorer-lebron-james-giannis-antetokounmpo

Seth/Ben/Grant/Tobias/Embiid. That could be one of our most well rounded lineups available.

Kind of a shame the Sixers dumped him for garbage back in the day.

Wasn't that the OKC pick that got us Maxey?

[eyeatoma]

I think Sixers need to consider making a hard push for Jerami Grant. Piston are 3-12. They are going nowhere.

Package Danny/Matisse with picks/swaps. His current contract fits nicely with Embiid's and he's the athletic wing defender we need.

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2021/1/20/22237687/detroit-pistons-jerami-grant-isolation-scorer-lebron-james-giannis-antetokounmpo

Seth/Ben/Grant/Tobias/Embiid. That could be one of our most well rounded lineups available.

Don't you think he's the Piston's future? I'd think he's untouchable unless you include Tobias right?

[youngcrev]

I think Sixers need to consider making a hard push for Jerami Grant. Piston are 3-12. They are going nowhere.

Package Danny/Matisse with picks/swaps. His current contract fits nicely with Embiid's and he's the athletic wing defender we need.

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2021/1/20/22237687/detroit-pistons-jerami-grant-isolation-scorer-lebron-james-giannis-antetokounmpo

Seth/Ben/Grant/Tobias/Embiid. That could be one of our most well rounded lineups available.

I like Jerami, but I'm not sure I buy this offensive renaissance. I guess I'll get a better look over the next 2 games.

His length and athleticism make him a quality defender, but I think he's a bit overrated on that end due to looking the part.

Seems he's turned himself into a pretty catch and shoot guy.

He's a great story right now, but hard pass on making him our big target and giving up a bunch of assets for him. He's not getting the same opportunity on this team that he's getting on a dreadful Pistons squad.

[sixers hoops]

I think Sixers need to consider making a hard push for Jerami Grant. Piston are 3-12. They are going nowhere.

Package Danny/Matisse with picks/swaps. His current contract fits nicely with Embiid's and he's the athletic wing defender we need.

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2021/1/20/22237687/detroit-pistons-jerami-grant-isolation-scorer-lebron-james-giannis-antetokounmpo

Seth/Ben/Grant/Tobias/Embiid. That could be one of our most well rounded lineups available.

Kind of a shame the Sixers dumped him for garbage back in the day.

Wasn't that the OKC pick that got us Maxey?

I believe we got Maxey with a pick from the Fultz trade.

[Kobblehead]

Jerami Grant sucks.

He can't defend and he's being fed more buckets than John Doe fed cans of spaghetti to the fat guy in Se7en. He can't create anything for himself.