Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[KL78192020]

You know the more I think about it. Ben wants a trade not because of what was said by Doc and Embiid. He wants a trade because he is afraid of the fans backlash that he will have to face during the regular season.

If he's back the amount of pressure on each free throw he takes would be insane. He will probably get booed as well if he can't shoot.

[Eyeamok]

You know the more I think about it. Ben wants a trade not because of what was said by Doc and Embiid. He wants a trade because he is afraid of the fans backlash that he will have to face during the regular season.

If he's back the amount of pressure on each free throw he takes would be insane. He will probably get booed as well if he can't shoot.

If he can't shoot ?I

Ben Simmons has not improved on offense since he was a rookie. This off season the pressure was on to improve. Do you think he worked with the people the 76ers recommended? Do you think he improved on his own? Instead of growing from this adversity he has decided to shrink. So that "if" he can't shoot becomes just a plain he can't shoot IMHO.

[Eyeamok]

Jo would have never defended Tobias Harris like that. Talent recognize talent.

Probably so but as a leader you know what your troops need and Ben needs to be babied so you give it to him.

[syntax]

Simmons may very well be talked down to being more flexible in his location. I just note that it's very believable that they tried to get him to an Cali team.

He wants to go to any team that aren't the Sixers.

[the_process]

I would like a Maxey tweet denying he asked out. Don't be Rich Paul's pawn, Ty.

[the_process]

Jo would have never defended Tobias Harris like that. Talent recognize talent.

Probably so but as a leader you know what your troops need and Ben needs to be babied so you give it to him.

Sometimes you need to give a boot to the ass regardless.

[Sixerscan]

I would like a Maxey tweet denying he asked out. Don't be Rich Paul's pawn, Ty.

I think he'd have to do that if like Woj or Shams reported it but just having the reporter correct the story is probably the best play here, let it get swept under the rug.

[Negrodamus]

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Prince+Beasley+Maxey to Sac
Buddy Hield and Jaden Mcdaniels plus 2 first and 1 2nd to Philly
Ben Simmons to Min.

Hield and Jaden McDaniels and draft picks would be a good haul for you guys. McDaniels is future 3D allstar.

The only thing that's funny is the kings and wolves that don't want to give up
any of there great players that can't even get them into the playoffs lol
simmons would get either team into the playoffs......

What suggests that? I can't find any teams that he brought to the playoffs without the best center in the NBA. I think he's, at best, .500 without Joel playing. Was 7-9 without him last year.

[the_process]

I would like a Maxey tweet denying he asked out. Don't be Rich Paul's pawn, Ty.

I think he'd have to do that if like Woj or Shams reported it but just having the reporter correct the story is probably the best play here, let it get swept under the rug.

Agreed, I wrote that before I saw that Dumas walked back his report.

[Bum Adebayo]

Jo would have never defended Tobias Harris like that. Talent recognize talent.

Of course he recognizes Simmons talent, because he has insane talent. The issue with Simmons has got to do with everything outside his talent.

[BNelley24]

You know the more I think about it. Ben wants a trade not because of what was said by Doc and Embiid. He wants a trade because he is afraid of the fans backlash that he will have to face during the regular season.

If he's back the amount of pressure on each free throw he takes would be insane. He will probably get booed as well if he can't shoot.

Exactly!! I keep telling people this. There was no chance he was going to play another game. Guy shrivels up like a grape in hot sun. He would never ever ever be able to face our fans and media again are people serious?

The other stuff started the turmoil along with his play, but that’s fixable. The fans were going to boo him for a while regardless and he doesn’t have the confidence to face it

[FireMorey]

A lot of people have been saying the Sixers should call Simmons' bluff and not trade him.

The thing is, the Sixers already lost. It's over. There is no reasonable circumstance Simmons' value rises at this point.

First of all, all GMs in the league who have soured on Simmons know with him it's about the playoffs, not the regular season. They're going to want to see him dominate a playoff series to change their opinion on him. So keeping him til the deadline makes that impossible.

But do people really think going into the season with a pouty, disgruntled Ben Simmons is going to raise his value? The first home game, the fans are going to rain boos down on him in player introductions. The odds that he plays better after having shown how mentally fragile he is already are slim. There's a chance he could be mopey and pouting all season. And if he has a blowup with Doc Rivers on the sidelines, forget it.

Absolute best case scenario(least likely): he comes in motivated to prove doubters wrong, but that still won't ease GMs minds around the league as the regular season has never been the issue with Simmons.

Baseline: he comes into the season and plays like he normally does, and his value doesn't change.

Worst case scenario: he comes into the season unmotivated and unhappy, his play declines, things get contentious, and then instead of getting a guy like McCollum, his value drops even more and you're stuck having to take back a guy like Wiggins.

I just can't see a realistic scenario they wait and get what they want for him.

[SixersSince82]

A lot of people have been saying the Sixers should call Simmons' bluff and not trade him.

The thing is, the Sixers already lost. It's over. There is no reasonable circumstance Simmons' value rises at this point.

There are 2 parts to this, though. Ben Simmons value, which like you suggest probably wont improve (though I think you can argue otherwise) But the second part is that other teams situations absolutely could change. The Kings, T-wolves, Blazers or another squad could become more desperate if their start of the season doesn't go as they hope.

That wouldn't technically "raise" Simmons value but the net effect would be the same as one of those squads becomes more desperate.

[Eyeamok]

Jo would have never defended Tobias Harris like that. Talent recognize talent.

Probably so but as a leader you know what your troops need and Ben needs to be babied so you give it to him.

Sometimes you need to give a boot to the ass regardless.

It does not work with Ben. When he gets a boot to his ass he takes his ball and goes home.

[the_process]

Probably so but as a leader you know what your troops need and Ben needs to be babied so you give it to him.

Sometimes you need to give a boot to the ass regardless.

It does not work with Ben. When he gets a boot to his ass he takes his ball and goes home.

That's fine. Dude should have been traded long ago anyway.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I want Mitchell and Buddy for Ben

Twolves I want Ant Man ...

Portland: Lilliard

Warriors : Wiggins , Kuminga and shotcreator that they don't have.

[FireMorey]

A lot of people have been saying the Sixers should call Simmons' bluff and not trade him.

The thing is, the Sixers already lost. It's over. There is no reasonable circumstance Simmons' value rises at this point.

There are 2 parts to this, though. Ben Simmons value, which like you suggest probably wont improve (though I think you can argue otherwise) But the second part is that other teams situations absolutely could change. The Kings, T-wolves, Blazers or another squad could become more desperate if their start of the season doesn't go as they hope.

That wouldn't technically "raise" Simmons value but the net effect would be the same as one of those squads becomes more desperate.

But I don't see how a team getting desperate would make them more willing to trade their best players for Ben Simmons. How does that help their situations in that scenario?

[Eyeamok]

You know the more I think about it. Ben wants a trade not because of what was said by Doc and Embiid. He wants a trade because he is afraid of the fans backlash that he will have to face during the regular season.

If he's back the amount of pressure on each free throw he takes would be insane. He will probably get booed as well if he can't shoot.

Exactly!! I keep telling people this. There was no chance he was going to play another game. Guy shrivels up like a grape in hot sun. He would never ever ever be able to face our fans and media again are people serious?

The other stuff started the turmoil along with his play, but that’s fixable. The fans were going to boo him for a while regardless and he doesn’t have the confidence to face it

Phuck... 6 '10 240 pounds, body of steel, able to almost leap tall buildings, stamina for days and the intestinal fortitude of the cowardly lion.

[ProcessDoctor]

This saga needs to end. Fingers crossed. In Morey we trust.

[TYO23]

I want Mitchell and Buddy for Ben

Twolves I want Ant Man ...

Portland: Lilliard

Warriors : Wiggins , Kuminga and shotcreator that they don't have.

Poole from the Warriors flashed a lot at times as a shot creator.