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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#401 » by mjkvol » Wed May 4, 2022 7:16 pm

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I don't think the Butler situation was his fault. His hand was forced, as Brett Brown didn't want Butler back and Butler didn't want to be back as long as Brown and Simmons were here. From what I've seen, Brand's plan was to run it back and keep Butler, but his hand was forced. Yes, the Horford situation was a mess, but at least all it cost was money. If Harden is washed, that will hurt the Sixers more because they are likely going to re-sign Harden and they gave up picks, Simmons, and other players for him.

I think Brand did a poor job. But I'm saying his start to his Sixers tenure IMO was better than Morey's start. Brand's first two big moves were Butler and Harris. I think getting Harris was a mistake, but I wouldn't call it an awful trade. It was one they shouldn't have made, but at least Harris has been a solid player for the Sixers. I think Brand's best moves are better so far than Morey's best. And if Harden is washed, I think Morey's worst move will be worse than Brand's worst. That's how I'm evaluating it.


Well, much as I hate the term, we'll just "agree to disagree". To me, the Harris trade was a bad one at the time because of how much we gave up for a nice, empty stats kind of player, as well as because he was superfluous on that team. We talked about gauging GM's performances on results, and the result of the Butler trade was beyond disastrous, whether it was directly Brand's fault or not, and that led to two hideous signings.

His tenure created a mess that none of us believed could be solved without at least a partial blowup, but Morey retooled on the fly and got us useful players while getting out of a brutal contract and a useless player. If you want to say that the Butler trade was the best single move either man made, I'll buy that, but unless Harden turns out to be a complete disaster I'll rate Morey's tenure far higher.
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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#402 » by FireMorey » Wed May 4, 2022 10:14 pm

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I don't think the Butler situation was his fault. His hand was forced, as Brett Brown didn't want Butler back and Butler didn't want to be back as long as Brown and Simmons were here. From what I've seen, Brand's plan was to run it back and keep Butler, but his hand was forced. Yes, the Horford situation was a mess, but at least all it cost was money. If Harden is washed, that will hurt the Sixers more because they are likely going to re-sign Harden and they gave up picks, Simmons, and other players for him.

I think Brand did a poor job. But I'm saying his start to his Sixers tenure IMO was better than Morey's start. Brand's first two big moves were Butler and Harris. I think getting Harris was a mistake, but I wouldn't call it an awful trade. It was one they shouldn't have made, but at least Harris has been a solid player for the Sixers. I think Brand's best moves are better so far than Morey's best. And if Harden is washed, I think Morey's worst move will be worse than Brand's worst. That's how I'm evaluating it.


Well, much as I hate the term, we'll just "agree to disagree". To me, the Harris trade was a bad one at the time because of how much we gave up for a nice, empty stats kind of player, as well as because he was superfluous on that team. We talked about gauging GM's performances on results, and the result of the Butler trade was beyond disastrous, whether it was directly Brand's fault or not, and that led to two hideous signings.

His tenure created a mess that none of us believed could be solved without at least a partial blowup, but Morey retooled on the fly and got us useful players while getting out of a brutal contract and a useless player. If you want to say that the Butler trade was the best single move either man made, I'll buy that, but unless Harden turns out to be a complete disaster I'll rate Morey's tenure far higher.


Even if you want to rate Morey's tenure higher, I think my point overall still stands. Brand was not good. And was a novice. The fact that Morey and Brand can even be debated should be speaking volumes. Morey is/was regarded as a top 5 GM. A franchise changer. That, he has not done. It's not like it was when Hinkie took over and totally changed the direction of the team overnight. Morey has not been that here. He's more or less carried on what the previous GMs have done. Maybe his moves on the margins have been a little more successful, but he was brought in to get the team over the hump. If Harden doesn't rejuvenate himself, it doesn't look like they're headed in that direction. Not sure what he's done that your other top 16 GM in the NBA couldn't have done.
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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#403 » by Jailblazers7 » Wed May 4, 2022 10:46 pm

I think it’s important to remember that Brand inherited a treasure trove of assets from Sam Hinkie while Daryl inherited a capped out team with multiple negative value contracts that just finished 6th in the conference. He deserves a lot of credit for the job he’s done even if it hasn’t been perfect.

Of course, the lions share of the credit should go to Embiid tho. Him making the leap to become an every year top 3 MVP candidate fixes a lot of problems.
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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#404 » by Murray_17 » Wed May 4, 2022 10:51 pm

4 months ago Morey should been fired because he wasn't able to complete the Harden trade, now he should be fired because Harden is "washed".

Also, The Tobias trade costed us two picks and to get one of those picks we traded Bridges to the Suns. Getting rid of Horford costed us another pick, not just money.

Josh Richardson costed us another pick.

Morey received a capped team and unless we lost several more picks on moving Tobias, which also would got us out of moves to make, we never had options to create cap space outside of moving Tobias and then repair part of the damage by moving Ben for expirings and picks....

I was all aboard on the Haliburton trade and argue several times in favor of it but this rewriting of history is hilarious. People here was against the move because Haliburton wasn't a "needle mover" and the picks were wortheless and would waste Embiid's prime...
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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#405 » by elchengue20 » Wed May 4, 2022 10:51 pm

Brand was way worse as a GM, its not really debatable.

No way Morey would have done that stupid Tobias trade or the Al Horford signing while letting Jimmy walk.

Regarding the Simmons trade, the whole situation was a mess, he got the best deal possible. You aint winning anytime soon with Hailburton and Maxey as your go to perimeter playmakers. Maybe in 4/5 years. Embiid cant wait. The Harden trade was OK all things considered. Even this washed up Harden is a good 1st playmaker and more than enough 2nd/3rd scorer with Playoff experience.

Morey also got steals in Curry, Drummond, Maxey that most GM's won't.
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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#406 » by johanliebert » Thu May 5, 2022 12:15 am

The fire everyone cause i dont agree with their moves thread.
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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#407 » by 76ciology » Thu May 5, 2022 6:59 am

There’s never been a time in history when we look back and say that the people who were censoring free speech were the good guys.
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Post#408 » by Jailblazers7 » Thu May 5, 2022 1:10 pm

Can’t believe I just wasted part of my morning on a DAJ apologist video.
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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#409 » by mjkvol » Thu May 5, 2022 3:08 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:Can’t believe I just wasted part of my morning on a DAJ apologist video.


Couldn't even start to watch it.
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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#410 » by Murray_17 » Thu May 5, 2022 3:16 pm

BballBreakdown has been click bait for years now
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Post#411 » by elchengue20 » Thu May 5, 2022 4:09 pm

Lol in a couple of possesions he really is justifiyng that he coudnt grab the damn ball.

DAJ has been terrible for years now. The league has passed him by.
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Post#412 » by stormi » Thu May 5, 2022 4:13 pm

Murray_17 wrote:BballBreakdown has been click bait for years now


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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#413 » by Mik317 » Thu May 5, 2022 4:26 pm

Coach Nick hates the Sixers and hates Harden.

Only ever makes videos about us when things go bad.
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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#414 » by stormi » Thu May 5, 2022 5:01 pm

I simply don't watch his videos because the comments are filled with a legion of grown men calling him "coach"

And he constantly uses the same stupid instrumental
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Re: The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread 

Post#415 » by FireMorey » Thu May 5, 2022 5:24 pm

People are way too hard on Nick and some make the stuff personal, which shows you how childish and sad some fans are. It's **** sports, what's with people viciously insulting the dude on social media because of his opinions? People really need to grow up and get a life.
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Post#416 » by 76ciology » Mon May 9, 2022 12:15 pm

Go to the Heat board. You can read people there also talking about firing spo.
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Post#417 » by mjkvol » Mon May 9, 2022 2:03 pm

I have to say that Glenn did a nice job in games 3 & 4 with his rotations, although I hate having Reed and Thybulle on the floor at the same time.

And Burke's scheme to take away the 3 and single up on Butler has ground their pace to a standstill. I expect Spo to try something to counteract that, because the 3-ball is the engine that makes their offense run.
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Post#418 » by M2J » Mon May 9, 2022 3:10 pm

The 4th quarter start with Reed (I would say any center) and essential the rest of the starters (Niang or Green) has been a smart move too. Just gives them that much more of an ability to stay above water. Definitely more of an offensive look, but that just has to be embraced with Jo off the court. In the playoffs, starters playing more minutes helps.
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Post#419 » by 76ciology » Mon May 9, 2022 3:13 pm

Heat Series so Far

G1&G2, our guys played hard in both games that its one of those loses that you dont have much to complain because you know the guys played hard. We had a lot of open 3s in G1. Our C rotation was improved and we had less TOs in G2 but shot poorly.

G3 trapping Herro, adjusted from G1&G2

G4 zone buster offense, adjusted from G3
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Post#420 » by Jailblazers7 » Mon May 9, 2022 3:17 pm

Salute to Doc he has been very good in the playoffs this year. I just can’t stand watching DAJ so game 1/2 drove me crazy even if his options weren’t great.

But he’s made some key adjustments through both rounds that have paid dividends. Different rotations, mixing defensive coverages, etc. He’s done a good job.

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