Simmons Trade Thread - The Ocho

[Kolkmania]

I want Fox on the Sixers just so some of ya'll can see how much of a defensive stud he really is. Crazy to me that some view him as a sieve.

Not sure about the stud part, his tiny frame will always limit his ceiling on defense. However, the guy always had the killer mentality in high school and college and I don't think that disappeared. Being on the Kings for several years can have a bad influence haha.

Fox has limited improvement of FT%, volume of 3PA (off the catch and off the dribble) and actual 3P% throughout his NBA career. I don't think it is unreasonable to say that he'll always be a reluctant shooter with below average efficiency. If that is the case, would you still be excited to trade for Fox?

[Tomjas]

Fox alone would be a completely underwhelming return for Simmons

At least Murray brings other assets with him

[ConstableChaos]

You could bring Wiggins + kuminga and have wiggins play the simmons role - more shooting but worse D. A much better fit with Embiid and he'd be 4th option behind Maxey Jo and Harris

[ConstableChaos]

maxey wouldnt be playing like this with ben there

[Tomjas]

maxey wouldnt be playing like this with ben there

FMD

We wouldn’t be a 6th seed either

There’s levels

Maxey is doing well for a late 1st rounder but that’s it

He’s not a top 100 player

Simmons is top 35 minimum

I am being really conservative with these ratings and kind to Tyrese

[thenbaman]

Say it again without the covid issues the sixers would be leading the east.

[Kobblehead]

Fox has limited improvement of FT%, volume of 3PA (off the catch and off the dribble) and actual 3P% throughout his NBA career. I don't think it is unreasonable to say that he'll always be a reluctant shooter with below average efficiency. If that is the case, would you still be excited to trade for Fox?

Yes, even despite the lack of shooting, I'd be excited.

Core four traits: dribble, pass, shoot, defend.

Fox does 3 of the 4 really well.

Hell, if Simmons could dribble penetrate, I wouldn't even want to move him.

[Negrodamus]

Is Fox a reluctant shooter? I feel like if anything, he should tone down his shot selection.

[Da Doctor]

How are there still Ben stans?

[Zumramania]

You could bring Wiggins + kuminga and have wiggins play the simmons role - more shooting but worse D. A much better fit with Embiid and he'd be 4th option behind Maxey Jo and Harris

This is not a good trade for us + why would the Warriors want Simmons when Draymond is playing like a DPOY again.

[Kobblehead]

I wouldn't have interest in Kuminga. He's just unbridled talent with no sharpened traits. I'd rather have Moody plus a couple picks. Moody doesn't really pass or make plays defensively, but there's a high likelihood that he's an awesome shooter in this league.

[76ciology]

I’d be OK something like..

Wolves:
Ben Simmons

Pistons:
Tobias Harris
2022 Sixers Pick
Jaden Springer

Sixers:
DLo
Jerami Grant
Wolves 2022 Pick

I hope

Why would the Pistons be enticed to acquire Harris? I get Simmons as a fairly young dynamic wing to pair with Cunningham, but Harris seems like a mis-fit for the Pistons.

Locker room presence
Veteran leadership
Positive aura

[Eyeamok]

maxey wouldnt be playing like this with ben there

FMD

We wouldn’t be a 6th seed either

There’s levels

Maxey is doing well for a late 1st rounder but that’s it

He’s not a top 100 player

Simmons is top 35 minimum

I am being really conservative with these ratings and kind to Tyrese

Simmons is a top 100 player. But if he had the mindset and work ethic that Maxey has he could easily be a lot better. But he doesn't and he won't develop it. And this is why I prefer to watch Maxey play. The guy is developing right before our eyes. And with him on the court, as opposed to Simmons, you never have to play 4 vs 5 offensive basketball.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

maxey wouldnt be playing like this with ben there

FMD

We wouldn’t be a 6th seed either

There’s levels

Maxey is doing well for a late 1st rounder but that’s it

He’s not a top 100 player

Simmons is top 35 minimum

I am being really conservative with these ratings and kind to Tyrese

You don't know that we wouldn't be a sixth seed. BTW, that doesn't matter anyway because we had the #1 see last year and lost to the Atlanta Hawks because Ben Simmons decided it was time to check out. Maxey is doing well for a late first round pick. In fact, he's doing so well that I don't miss Ben Simmons at all. If we can stick with Maxey, he's going to get better and better. His ceiling is far from being reached yet. I'd also disagree that Simmons is a top 35 player. He has the ability to be a top 10 player, but he's probably more top 50. I vehemently disagree with you on the bolded part. It's the other way around I think. You're being too kind to Simmons and harsh on Maxey.

[Hussien Fatal]

Maxey isn’t a top 100 player?? He is the only player 24 and under with a 60ts%! And he is doing this while averaging 18ppg and you think he’s not a top 100 player? He’s shooting 43% from 3 as well. He is a top 60-50 player right now.

[Kolkmania]

I hope

Why would the Pistons be enticed to acquire Harris? I get Simmons as a fairly young dynamic wing to pair with Cunningham, but Harris seems like a mis-fit for the Pistons.

Locker room presence
Veteran leadership
Positive aura

You can get those traits for the veteran minimum instead of 40m/year

[GoSixersBro]

maxey wouldnt be playing like this with ben there

FMD

We wouldn’t be a 6th seed either

There’s levels

Maxey is doing well for a late 1st rounder but that’s it

He’s not a top 100 player

Simmons is top 35 minimum

I am being really conservative with these ratings and kind to Tyrese

You don't know that we wouldn't be a sixth seed. BTW, that doesn't matter anyway because we had the #1 see last year and lost to the Atlanta Hawks because Ben Simmons decided it was time to check out. Maxey is doing well for a late first round pick. In fact, he's doing so well that I don't miss Ben Simmons at all. If we can stick with Maxey, he's going to get better and better. His ceiling is far from being reached yet. I'd also disagree that Simmons is a top 35 player. He has the ability to be a top 10 player, but he's probably more top 50. I vehemently disagree with you on the bolded part. It's the other way around I think. You're being too kind to Simmons and harsh on Maxey.

Not a slight to Maxey, but it's not even that impressive a feat being a top 100 player in the league. Tomjas' perceived rankings are hysterical if he thinks Tyrese doesn't crack 100. I think he needs to play a season of fantasy basketball to get a clearer picture. Although we are still in November, Maxey has easily solidified himself as a top 100 player. He's somewhere in the top 60-70 for sure.

Also agree about seeding. Decent indicator, but doesn't tell the whole story.

Fun fact: Since 2002-2003 only 3 #1 seeded teams in the East made the Finals. the 2015-16 Cavaliers, the 2012-2013 Heat, and the 2007-2008 Boston Celtics (all eventual champions btw).

[Slacktard]

How are there still Ben stans?

Because once you go stan you are no longer in the realm of rationality.

[GoSixersBro]

Btw did I miss the Jerami Grant discussion? Too lazy to sift through this thread.

[GoSixersBro]

How are there still Ben stans?

Because once you go stan you are no longer in the realm of rationality.

Facts. Once you are more obsessed with lining your dresser with Simmons Funko Pops and opening his purple amethyst evolutionary stone card in 2K, the success of the team is the last thing on your mind.