Tom Moore 2.0

sixerswillrule · Post #401 » by **sixerswillrule** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:18 pm

And we'd be stupid not to do it simply because they won't add anything on top of Duhon. With his expiring contract, Duhon is probably better than anyone we'll get in FA, especially since it sounds like we won't be using the MLE.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #402 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:19 pm

Screw it... I mean either way it's fine by me. Trade him straight up for Duhon. Then we'll trade Dalembert for Richardson or Wallace and put an end to this god awful offseason we have had thus far.

Gsraider · Post #403 » by **Gsraider** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:22 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:best we can do is straight up......i just want this over..

Probably, but it may not be set in stone SF. Perhaps NY does want to sign Miller, but would want to do it much more and even consider additional years only if they can do an S&T and swap salary. In that instance, they need Philly to agree to this if Miller is the guy they want. For Philly to agree, perhaps they can get a 2nd rounder or something like that.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #404 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:31 pm

Sure fine whatever just get his butt out of here.

is1531 · Post #405 » by **is1531** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:32 pm

sixerfan1976 wrote:it all depends on if the knicks will do a 3/18 deal with miller..if so..then we can do it straight up..we wont get a pick...he can just sign there outright.....for 3 years...mid level..which is more like 16-17 mill.

best we can do is straight up......i just want this over..

The Knicks will not give MIller a 3/18 deal because they are gearing up for free agency next year and so are their fans.

ojr107 · Post #406 » by **ojr107** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:53 pm

is1531- I think the Knicks would still have a ton of money next summer even if they pay 6 million for Miller.

Tom- What are the rules regarding sign and trades as far as year(s) go? I remember reading somewhere you need to sign a guy for 3 years to do a sign and trade, is that accurate?

Gsraider · Post #407 » by **Gsraider** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:01 pm

The Knicks will have a ton of money available even if $7-8 million is tied up with Miller. Besides, I think the Knicks might also interest a few of these high profile guys if they have a good PG already in place when they get there.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #408 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:17 pm

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... xt_season/

Meanwhile, the Roberts Boys are Cheapcakes.

"The Check book is open". To hire Eddie Flipping Jordan? A move you also could've done early last year?

ojr107 · Post #409 » by **ojr107** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:42 pm

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13263

"Yahoo! is reporting that the Knicks will offer Miller the same basic deal they extended to Kidd, which was three years and $18 million, though Miller could also sign a one-year deal and try his luck again next summer. The Knicks and Miller weren't first on either side's radar, but it does seem as though they now need each other in a bad way."

I highly doubt Miller would go for a one year deal if he can get a 3 year deal at his age. If the Knicks are going to sign him for 3 years, then a sign and trade for Duhon makes sense for both sides.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #410 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:54 pm

Duhon to Philly! Duhon is the perfect fit. Solid defensive PG. 3PT Shooter, turnovers are low. Solid starter in D'Antoni's offense, really excelled in the running game.

ryst · Post #411 » by **ryst** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:00 am

Duhon? Chris Duhon???

i rather play Williams and Holiday , they can be just as bad as Duhon

Stefanski is running this franchise to the ground

i cant belive i miss Billy King

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #412 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:53 am

Apparently you missed all of last season.

Don · Post #413 » by **Don** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:50 am

I think we could be better next season...

I don't really see the logic at this point. I don't see how we've improved. Brand is back, and so is Smith, the young guys are better, but without Miller, I don't see the team offense going like it did. Maybe it will, but I don't see it. There were many scoring droughts during games when Miller HAD to score because no one else could figure out what to do. I don't think we have a decision maker that can help figure it out this year. I'm all for letting the young guys play, but I think the offense is going to be stagnant for the first couple of months. It took the team until January to really start playing together in the past season. I don't know how long it will last this time. Now if we get Duhon and he may change the flavor of the team as a better pg than Lou or the newbie.

sixerswillrule · Post #414 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:03 am

Don wrote:
I think we could be better next season...

I don't really see the logic at this point. I don't see how we've improved. Brand is back, and so is Smith, the young guys are better, but without Miller, I don't see the team offense going like it did. Maybe it will, but I don't see it. There were many scoring droughts during games when Miller HAD to score because no one else could figure out what to do. I don't think we have a decision maker that can help figure it out this year. I'm all for letting the young guys play, but I think the offense is going to be stagnant for the first couple of months. It took the team until January to really start playing together in the past season. I don't know how long it will last this time. Now if we get Duhon and he may change the flavor of the team as a better pg than Lou or the newbie.

A ball dominant PG that can't shoot outside of 17 feet is exactly what this team WON'T need next season. A PG that can spread the floor and run the pick and roll with Brand will be more helpful in terms of this team winning games as opposed to what Miller can do for us. Iguodala played like an all-star last season and may not have even peaked yet. Young is only getting better and could score 18+ points per game. Brand will be back and healthy and averaging 18/10 as well. With a PG like Duhon to replace Miller, I will not be concerned about this team's ability to score. We'll be a very good team.

Westbrook36ptII · Post #415 » by **Westbrook36ptII** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:11 am

You can be optimistic and say you think Brand will average 18/10, but when you say that you sound like it is set in stone.

Brand is coming off two straight seasons where he missed more than 50 games, and even last year when he was playing he played poorly, and it had nothing to do with the players around him either.

I'm not saying he can't average 18 and 10, but you have to at least acknowledge there is a chance he could be shot too. We simply don't know.

sixerswillrule · Post #416 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:16 am

When healthy last season(up until December 2nd), Brand averaged 17/10. 45% shooting, but I attribute that to using him wrong, a stagnant offense, and having no shooters around him. So yeah, I see no reason to expect any less of him next season.

Westbrook36ptII · Post #417 » by **Westbrook36ptII** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:19 am

The shooting 45% also factors in him missing wide open jumpers, which he did quite often last season as well. People sometimes remember what they want to remember. But he was not swarmed every single time he got the ball like people falsely remember.

Btw, Brand averaged 13.8 and 8 last year. Not sure why you added(until december 2nd). He was healthy up until he got hurt, and I don't remember what date it was, but he was not a 17 and 10 guy.

sixerswillrule · Post #418 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:24 am

I'm not talking about him being swarmed. For the most part, he wasn't taking the shots that he should have been taking. That was the problem. Too much posting up. Too much getting the ball ridiculously far away from the basket. That's not how Brand became an all-star.

tmoore · Post #419 » by **tmoore** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:25 am

ojr107 wrote:Tom- What are the rules regarding sign and trades as far as year(s) go? I remember reading somewhere you need to sign a guy for 3 years to do a sign and trade, is that accurate?

Sorry, I was out tonight. Just got back. Must sign for three years, but only first year must be guaranteed. What happened with the Lakers sending Aaron McKie to Grizz to complete Gasol deal.

Don · Post #420 » by **Don** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:26 am

With a PG like Duhon

As of right now, I think we have PG's Lou Will and Jrue. I didn't see anyone saying Duhon's a definite signing. Like I said, it might change things for the better if he is here. I don't know- I hope we find that out to be true.

About Miller being a ball-dominant PG- as others have stated, he's never been ball-dominant until he came here! He didn't have reliable options available, and he took his shot. Many times you saw this past season in the half court set, the guys weren't open and Miller had to take it himself. Miller and everyone else being poor outside shooters, they couldn't stretch the defense, and there wasn't much space. Hopefully Duhon does help stretch the defense if we get him. With Lou and Jrue we will not be better IMHO.