SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[KrazySixersD]

Some of you hate this deal but damn! If it were to happen lets atleast reserve judgement until we see what he does under Doug Collins. I mean Tyrone Corbin doesn't exactly strike me as a guy that expects perfection from players. Guys play differently under different coaches. Thaddeus Young was shooting threes before Collins got here for christ sake. I'm sure Collins would expect Jefferson to do what he does best and that is play in the post. I'm also sure he could get him to do that as well. I like the trade for both teams and I would hope this means we are keeping Evan Turner. The next priority would be to add a small forward or guard depending on where Turner plays.

i listened to an interview with jefferson and like what i heard... seems like a mature guy who realizes defense is an area he must focus on and has done so better this past year

[76ciology]

I don't mean to be rude SF1976, but give us some info we don't know.

Yes, we know we might not use the amnesty on EB42 and explore next year's FA. (Tom Moore)
Iguodala for Gasol (ESPN)
Iguodala for GSW's 1st (some writer for warriors)

[KrazySixersD]

wouldnt we be able to still go after that big FA class if we got jefferson? we could either resign him or let him walk... i think if we resigned him we would still be able to get a big time FA

[sixerfan1976]

I don't mean to be rude SF1976, but give us some info we don't know.

Yes, we know we might not use the amnesty on EB42 and explore next year's FA. (Tom Moore)
Iguodala for Gasol (ESPN)
Iguodala for GSW's 1st (some writer for warriors)

i am not here to please you, specifically.

i have never said anything about golden state deal.

i think amnesty gets used either way because elton isnt worth his contract.

if you dont like what i say..dont read it.

that is all.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I don't mean to be rude SF1976, but give us some info we don't know.

Yes, we know we might not use the amnesty on EB42 and explore next year's FA. (Tom Moore)
Iguodala for Gasol (ESPN)
Iguodala for GSW's 1st (some writer for warriors)

That was totally rude as hell! People like you need to really think about what they put out for others to see. That was totally uncalled for! Did you ever think that maybe that is all there is right now?

SF76 I personally appreciate info you have and it certainly makes the board much more lively in the offseason. Over the years it's brought some excitement around the forum. Please don't let others ruin this.

[Kova]

Of course we appreciate you SF76, just keep us feeding with insider talks, rumors, etc.. thanks!

[The Sixer Fixer]

wouldnt we be able to still go after that big FA class if we got jefferson? we could either resign him or let him walk... i think if we resigned him we would still be able to get a big time FA

Sure...or you trade for him and he doesn't want to re-sign. So then you go after other big names and you don't get any of them either. SO now you are left with all this cap space and no player even equal to Iguodala/Jefferson being an option to sign here.

In the end, you lost your most valuable trade chip and you got nothing in return except FA acquisitions that are worse than Andre.

Look at next years quality FA's.

Blake Griffin - probably won't even hit FA as LAC will try to re-sign him this year.
Bynum - LAL will re-sign him without a doubt (or trade him).
Chris Paul - not coming here even if he does get to FA
Stephen Curry - if he gets hurt again, maybe GS lets him walk, but would we want him with injury history?
James Harden - OKC isn't letting him walk....that's a near 100% certainty.
Tyreke Evans - makes no sense for this team with Turner not being able to shoot either.
Josh Smith - would be a possibility I think
Ibaka - maybe OKC lets him go, but I bet they look to trade him before that happens.
Millsap - possibly - any better than Iguodala?
Jefferson - possibly - any better than Iguodala?

That's basically the list of impact FA's. Not a single SF on that list either. Realistically, if we traded Andre for Jefferson and Jefferson walked after 1 year, we aren't getting two guys off that list above...so how is the team any better.

[tgo2223]

I don't think he meant anything by it.

[sixerfan1976]

dont sweat it...guy constantly asks me for new stuff he hasnt heard before........that wasnt the first time....and i am sure it wont be the last.

[KrazySixersD]

wouldnt we be able to still go after that big FA class if we got jefferson? we could either resign him or let him walk... i think if we resigned him we would still be able to get a big time FA

Sure...or you trade for him and he doesn't want to re-sign. So then you go after other big names and you don't get any of them either. SO now you are left with all this cap space and no player even equal to Iguodala/Jefferson being an option to sign here.

In the end, you lost your most valuable trade chip and you got nothing in return except FA acquisitions that are worse than Andre.

Look at next years quality FA's.

Blake Griffin - probably won't even hit FA as LAC will try to re-sign him this year.
Bynum - LAL will re-sign him without a doubt (or trade him).
Chris Paul - not coming here even if he does get to FA
Stephen Curry - if he gets hurt again, maybe GS lets him walk, but would we want him with injury history?
James Harden - OKC isn't letting him walk....that's a near 100% certainty.
Tyreke Evans - makes no sense for this team with Turner not being able to shoot either.
Josh Smith - would be a possibility I think
Ibaka - maybe OKC lets him go, but I bet they look to trade him before that happens.
Millsap - possibly - any better than Iguodala?
Jefferson - possibly - any better than Iguodala?

That's basically the list of impact FA's. Not a single SF on that list either. Realistically, if we traded Andre for Jefferson and Jefferson walked after 1 year, we aren't getting two guys off that list above...so how is the team any better.

first off, iggy's value is probably at the highest it will EVER be right NOW... waiting till next year will be stupid, especially if he plays in the olympics again. there is nothing wrong with going into 2013 with a ton of space even if jefferson walks... and no, we wont be left out in the cold if we have enough room for 2 max guys, which we would.. plus, you can offer harden the max and i have doubts about okc matching a max offer to him

[sixerfan1976]

yeah i have no problem with jefferson or gasol if you add a legit scorer by amnesty on brand.

then you have two guys that can shoot the basketball which is two more than we had last year.

i think they would trade their first round pick if they could get a guy they loved(big man or scorer) as part of any deal. But they do like Austin Rivers alot at 15 if he is there. Its too early to really figure out who they are gonna get or try to get though in the draft.

I do not think Lou is back if he opts out tho....do not think they will pay him what he wants. That's why they are looking for a more traditional PG to back up Jrue. And I hate him personally but i wouldnt be surprised if Meeks is back as a veteran bench SG.

[76ciology]

i think amnesty gets used either way because elton isnt worth his contract.

You do realize that we are still going to pay EB42 $18,000,000 even if we amnesty him don't you?

It's illogical to just amnesty EB42's contract just because it isn't worth it.

[sixerfan1976]

i think amnesty gets used either way because elton isnt worth his contract.

You do realize that we are still going to pay EB42 $18,000,000 even if we amnesty him don't you?

It's illogical to just amnesty EB42's contract just because it isn't worth it.

right but its not your money or my money..its the owners who have already said have deep pockets.

if you could reapply that money to a much more productive player......it makes us better.

[76ciology]

I don't mean to be rude SF1976, but give us some info we don't know.

Yes, we know we might not use the amnesty on EB42 and explore next year's FA. (Tom Moore)
Iguodala for Gasol (ESPN)
Iguodala for GSW's 1st (some writer for warriors)

That was totally rude as hell! People like you need to really think about what they put out for others to see. That was totally uncalled for! Did you ever think that maybe that is all there is right now?

SF76 I personally appreciate info you have and it certainly makes the board much more lively in the offseason. Over the years it's brought some excitement around the forum. Please don't let others ruin this.

Cool down. I'm just asking him for something we don't know. Just like the statement he just posted that we like Austin Rivers a lot at 15th. That's something I haven't read on philly.com

[Bring Back 1983]

Couldn't agree more with SF76 post on bigs, Lou opt-out and hatred of Meeks. Most importantly, I am glad they are looking under every rock for a skilled big man. It's been 25 years since we have had a guy over 6'8" who can score consistently and rebound.

Would love to see them take their best shot at Bynum (instead of D-Ho) but that's just me. Also not really concerned about getting players who are one year rentals because I look at that as more flexibility for free agents/sign and trades/salary dumps from other teams in 2013.

[76ciology]

i think amnesty gets used either way because elton isnt worth his contract.

You do realize that we are still going to pay EB42 $18,000,000 even if we amnesty him don't you?

It's illogical to just amnesty EB42's contract just because it isn't worth it.

right but its not your money or my money..its the owners who have already said have deep pockets.

if you could reapply that money to a much more productive player......it makes us better.

Yeah, if we can "reapply" that money to a much productive player.

But what you stated before is that we are going to amnesty EB42 "because elton isn't worth his contract." That is two different reasonings.

[The Sixer Fixer]

first off, iggy's value is probably at the highest it will EVER be right NOW... waiting till next year will be stupid, especially if he plays in the olympics again. there is nothing wrong with going into 2013 with a ton of space even if jefferson walks... and no, we wont be left out in the cold if we have enough room for 2 max guys, which we would.. plus, you can offer harden the max and i have doubts about okc matching a max offer to him

His trade value was much higher a couple years ago...but they held onto him.

Harden isn't going anywhere. People who think otherwise are absolutely crazy.

If you are just looking for cap space and not getting Jefferson because you think he's great for this team, then deal him to a team that has a pick to deal and cap space (or expiring deals) to offer.

Perfect examples are...

1. To Houston for K. Martin and pick 14. At least you have a pick PLUS the cap space next year.
2. Toronto wants experienced guys....get pick 8 and take back expirings (or nothing -they have cap space).
3. Work something with Portland for one of their picks (maybe Matthews coming back - good fit here).

Trading Iguodala for a guy in his last year, that probably doesn't make this team any better, is very short sighted. Especially when you consider if you want that player you can just get him in FA next year without giving up your best trade asset.

[sixerfan1976]

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Yeah, if we can "reapply" that money to a much productive player.

But what you stated before is that we are going to amnesty EB42 "because elton isn't worth his contract." That is two different reasonings.[/quote]

Well assumption i was making was we would replace brand on roster with someone else worth more with the freed up cap money. I didnt come right out and state that tho so I see your point.

As for Iguodala trade value..I agree its never higher.....his achilles injury is going to be on and off problematic for his career. The powers that be understand that.They know their best chance to get a scorer and a big man is to trade Andre and amnesty Brand. They are going to try their best to accomplish both goals.

[76ciology]

Plus, I don't want us to deal with extending Iggy's contract.

[PhilasFinest]

yeah i have no problem with jefferson or gasol if you add a legit scorer by amnesty on brand.

then you have two guys that can shoot the basketball which is two more than we had last year.

i think they would trade their first round pick if they could get a guy they loved(big man or scorer) as part of any deal. But they do like Austin Rivers alot at 15 if he is there. Its too early to really figure out who they are gonna get or try to get though in the draft.

I do not think Lou is back if he opts out tho....do not think they will pay him what he wants. That's why they are looking for a more traditional PG to back up Jrue. And I hate him personally but i wouldnt be surprised if Meeks is back as a veteran bench SG.

Love this post.

Would absolutely love nabbing Rivers in this draft. He's the type of scorer we need