Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[sixers23]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/06/03/dissecting-the-jeff-teague-for-nerlens-noel-rumor/

It seems like the vast majority of us here agree that this is a **** trade. Derek does a good job of dissecting why it's a **** trade.

Derek did a **** job. He didn't really say anything positive about Jeff or his game. Then he framed the positives of Noel in the same tense. It was a fairly one sided article.

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bc its not an article about what teague does for a contender its relative to the sixers

[Arsenal]

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/catchshoot/?sort=CATCH_SHOOT_FG3_PCT&dir=1&CF=CATCH_SHOOT_FG3A*G*100&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Totals

Teague excelled in catch and shoot situations last season. Im guessing this is something we could be looking for in a PG to pair with Simmons

Look who else is right at the top of that list. I'd rather have Delly for 2 yrs / $20M instead of trading Noel for Teague. Delly is no star, but he's a serviceable 3&D PG who would fit well with Simmons, just as he does with LeBron.

Then we can trade Noel or Okafor for a long-term asset instead of a 1 year rental.

[Ericb5]

I don't think its the $$$ that people are worried about, nor the player.

I think people are simply hitched to the idea that 1 of Embiid/Okafor will develop into a star 20-10 center, making Noel expendable.

If we were to extend Noel at 15-18M per, what happens with Embiid/Okafor?

Honestly, I'm not even taking Okafor into account with any of my long-term projections. I think he should be shipped out because he doesn't do either of the two things that matters most for interior players (rebound and protect the rim). Icing without the cake.

In regards to Embiid, he was only playing 23-25ish minutes before the back and foot issues rose. I can't imagine him being a 30+ minute guy early on (if ever). We're always going to need a 1B starter with Embiid, IMO. Which is why I have no problem paying Noel franchise building block money. I think he's actually going to be functioning in a role indicative of that label.

You know that the reason that Embiid played so few minutes was due to foul trouble.

He will either be healthy or he won't. THIS year he will be on severe minute restrictions, but if he survives he year, I'm expecting that in year two that he will be playing starter's minutes.


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[King Ken]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/06/03/dissecting-the-jeff-teague-for-nerlens-noel-rumor/

It seems like the vast majority of us here agree that this is a **** trade. Derek does a good job of dissecting why it's a **** trade.

Derek did a **** job. He didn't really say anything positive about Jeff or his game. Then he framed the positives of Noel in the same tense. It was a fairly one sided article.

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bc its not an article about what teague does for a contender its relative to the sixers

You tell me what the Sixers prospective is.

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[BobThornton]

That's why I'm hoping this is just voluntary misdirection to heat up the seat on Okafor trade partners.

Trading Noel rids us of our safest and most reliable big. If Embiid medically busts and Okafor has another metrically repulsive season where he's exposed at the rim and on the boards, we go from three Cs to zero in one fell swoop.

So you love Smart and hate Okafor, bro? Figgers.

PER
Okafor 17.14
Smart 11.34

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

It's funny how some people refuse to believe that Okafor can't improve his game. Bigs take some time to develop. Okafor is already way ahead of the curve in my opinion. His defense and rebounding will catch up.

[Ericb5]

It's funny how some people refuse to believe that Okafor can't improve his game. Bigs take some time to develop. Okafor is already way ahead of the curve in my opinion. His defense and rebounding will catch up.

The thing is that Okafor only needs to be a neutral defender to be a star. He has superstar talent on offense.

I am sure that he will improve over time. He is a better player overall than people like Brook Lopez or al Jefferson.

I still think that he can reach Cousins level as an overall player.


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[Unbreakable99]

It's funny how some people refuse to believe that Okafor can't improve his game. Bigs take some time to develop. Okafor is already way ahead of the curve in my opinion. His defense and rebounding will catch up.

Of course Okafor can and will get better. But everyone has limits. Okafor is slow footed and will never be able to a plus defender in my opinion. He may improve his rebounding but his instincts on defense are horrible. He doesn't go for rebounds. I don't know why we would keep Okafor over Noel though. Noel would be perfect for backing up Embiid. We would always have a rim protector in the game. If we keep Okafor and trade Noel then unfortunately our front court will have Simmons as PF and Okafor at Center. It's not a recipe for success to have Okafor as the last line of defense. How does this potential lineup look for you?

PG
Stauskas
Covington
Simmons
Okafor

YUCK! That lineup would be awful defensively. Do you really want to see that?

[Sixerscan]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/06/03/dissecting-the-jeff-teague-for-nerlens-noel-rumor/

It seems like the vast majority of us here agree that this is a **** trade. Derek does a good job of dissecting why it's a **** trade.

Derek did a **** job. He didn't really say anything positive about Jeff or his game. Then he framed the positives of Noel in the same tense. It was a fairly one sided article.

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Well it's a fairly one sided trade.

[hodgy#11]

So, just for an outsiders perspective...

Jrue Holiday (Post All-Star season) traded for pick 6 (Noel)

Noel has 1 quiet(ish) season after looking like at worst a 10/10/2/2/2 threat for the rest of his career

Trade Noel for a 29YO point guard approaching UFA status.

Anyone able to explain how this works well for the 6ers?

Teague is a definite upgrade over Ish Smith, but big for small trades seldom ever workout for the team trading for a small, and particularly in this scenario where Noel has all the pro's (age, contract, potential)

Again, just an outside observer who is a fan of the assets you have assembled, and while I understand it's time to wheel and deal to structure the team in a more balanced manner, I think there's got to be a better scenario out there for you!

[kingofthecourt67]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2016/6/2/11848450/sixers-reportedly-including-stauskas-covington-in-noel-package

I have this image of Hinkie meticulously picking up coins using a metal detector on the beach everyday for a summer. He has enough to fill a giant piggy bank, and right at the end of summer Colangelo pushes him over and smashes his piggy bank and throws away all the coin maniacally laughing.

Time to panic.

[Mik317]

I don't think Jah is as slow footed as people keep saying. He is pretty fleet of foot for a guy his size actually. Has pretty long arms too. I don't think he can't play defense...he just sucks at it. I have seen him legit d up guards and stay with them. His defensive issues are awareness and effort. Same with his rebounding.. Now whether or not that is a good thing or not is the real question.

[Kobblehead]

So you love Smart and hate Okafor, bro? Figgers.

PER
Okafor 17.14
Smart 11.34

Smart: 1.1 VORP
Okafor: -0.8 VORP

[phiphan]

lol @ attempting to use advanced stats to support Okafor

[Kobblehead]

lol @ attempting to use advanced stats to support Okafor

Thought I seen it all lol.

[agiaco]

So, just for an outsiders perspective...

Jrue Holiday (Post All-Star season) traded for pick 6 (Noel)

Noel has 1 quiet(ish) season after looking like at worst a 10/10/2/2/2 threat for the rest of his career

Trade Noel for a 29YO point guard approaching UFA status.

Anyone able to explain how this works well for the 6ers?

Teague is a definite upgrade over Ish Smith, but big for small trades seldom ever workout for the team trading for a small, and particularly in this scenario where Noel has all the pro's (age, contract, potential)

Again, just an outside observer who is a fan of the assets you have assembled, and while I understand it's time to wheel and deal to structure the team in a more balanced manner, I think there's got to be a better scenario out there for you!

I don't disagree. But Teague is still 27 (yes, turns 28 very soon). I think there are plenty of better scenarios and don't see this one unfolding anyway. Who knows where rumors start or what is talked about.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

It's funny how some people refuse to believe that Okafor can't improve his game. Bigs take some time to develop. Okafor is already way ahead of the curve in my opinion. His defense and rebounding will catch up.

Of course Okafor can and will get better. But everyone has limits. Okafor is slow footed and will never be able to a plus defender in my opinion. He may improve his rebounding but his instincts on defense are horrible. He doesn't go for rebounds. I don't know why we would keep Okafor over Noel though. Noel would be perfect for backing up Embiid. We would always have a rim protector in the game. If we keep Okafor and trade Noel then unfortunately our front court will have Simmons as PF and Okafor at Center. It's not a recipe for success to have Okafor as the last line of defense. How does this potential lineup look for you?

PG
Stauskas
Covington
Simmons
Okafor

YUCK! That lineup would be awful defensively. Do you really want to see that?

Again, you're focusing on fit rather than talent. Where is Embiid in all of this? You act like it's Simmons/Okafor for 48 minutes, but then bring up the Embiid/Noel factor of always having a "rim protector".
The only way I keep Noel over Okafor is if we acquire Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson, that way having an interior scoring threat isn't a necessity. Stop assuming we are trying to emulate what the Warriors are doing. It just isn't all that easy.

Also....if Okafor can improve his rebounding and can get to a point where he's not a liability defensively, why wouldn't we keep him over Noel? Seriously......It's a matter of talent over this whole system fit crap. I love Noel, but I think you badly missed my point....Like...Nerlens Noel jumpshot bad.

[hodgy#11]

So, just for an outsiders perspective...

Jrue Holiday (Post All-Star season) traded for pick 6 (Noel)

Noel has 1 quiet(ish) season after looking like at worst a 10/10/2/2/2 threat for the rest of his career

Trade Noel for a 29YO point guard approaching UFA status.

Anyone able to explain how this works well for the 6ers?

Teague is a definite upgrade over Ish Smith, but big for small trades seldom ever workout for the team trading for a small, and particularly in this scenario where Noel has all the pro's (age, contract, potential)

Again, just an outside observer who is a fan of the assets you have assembled, and while I understand it's time to wheel and deal to structure the team in a more balanced manner, I think there's got to be a better scenario out there for you!

I don't disagree. But Teague is still 27 (yes, turns 28 very soon). I think there are plenty of better scenarios and don't see this one unfolding anyway. Who knows where rumors start or what is talked about.

Haha age exaggerated to defend point

Well I hope if Noel or Okafor are dealt, you get a better return than Teague

[Winejk]

I don't think Jah is as slow footed as people keep saying. He is pretty fleet of foot for a guy his size actually. Has pretty long arms too. I don't think he can't play defense...he just sucks at it. I have seen him legit d up guards and stay with them. His defensive issues are awareness and effort. Same with his rebounding.. Now whether or not that is a good thing or not is the real question.

I agree that he's better on defense than he's given credit for. And he's not slow footed. If he's so slow footed how can he face up his man, make a move to the basket and do a ballerina spin to get a shot off?

Just think what it is like to be Okafor. You've always been considered the best player in your class from middle school to to high school to college. You've won everywhere you've been. You are accustom to playing with other good players. Basically you are a pedigreed/royal basketball player. Then you are shoved into Philly. You are playing with borderline NBA talent that's revolving almost weekly around you and some of them are just clowns (looking at you Christian Wood). You are losing nightly and getting blown out in the process. Given your history/background that's got to be deflating. I would guess that Okafor wasn't engaged enough and probably was going through the motions at times during the season.

Put Okafor on a team that's competitive and he's going to be engaged and dialed in more. He's going to play better and produce better. He destroyed Towns both times he played against him. He's shown ability on both offense and defense. He just needs to do it more consistently which will happen when he's locked in and not daydreaming about playing on a better team.

[sixers23]

Derek did a **** job. He didn't really say anything positive about Jeff or his game. Then he framed the positives of Noel in the same tense. It was a fairly one sided article.

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bc its not an article about what teague does for a contender its relative to the sixers

You tell me what the Sixers prospective is.

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says so in the article why would I need to tell you