Fantasy Trade Thread

[the_process]

If you guys are in the thick of things come December, what would you think about dealing bit parts for George Hill?

17-18: 20M
18-19: 19M
19-20: 18M (Only 1M Guaranteed)

Let me rephrase. Why are you curious if Philadelphia would be interested in trading for Sacramento’s PG?

I think there's room for Milwaukee to bolster their front line with Koufos, Philly to get a good fit piece in Hill to play off Embiid and Simmons while playing mentor to Fultz for a season and a half while he matures, and Sacramento to go full in on the tank while getting a flyer piece in a guy like Okafor. Obviously if you think Hill's play this season is a reflection of actual player production as opposed to a product of his environment, it's a no go, but if you think he's George Hill of last year in a better situation, I hardly find his caliber of player as some sort of slap in the face addition.

So what’s your proposal? I don’t see anything going out from Milwaukee there.

[BullyKing]

Milwaukee has no need for Hill with Bledsoe in the fold and I think he's a good stop gap fit for Philly. It's not about being "stuck" with anyone. What I'm mostly "shocked" about is how "obviously" perturbed at the mere suggestion you are. Obviously a highly offensive question.

You shouldn't be surprised that people react negatively when you ask if they would be interested in a player, they explain that they're saving their cap space for next season (which should be obvious to just about anyone that saw what the Sixers have done since the end of last season) and then respond by saying they're not a legitimate free agent destination.

But fine, I'll play along. Hill is making $20 million this season. All of the Sixers remaining cap space will be spent on Covington in six days. So how are the Sixers matching Hill's salary? Okafor is 5, where's the other 15 million coming from?

I'm a Milwaukee fan, and I don't respond negatively to that ever, because I'm realistic about where my franchise currently sits on the totem pole. I'm just really not interested in discussing with you any further.

So I'll take that as you had not thought through the need to match salaries and have no answer. And I also think this is a huge cop-out on your part. Just two years ago Milwaukee landed what was thought to be a free agent coup at the time in Monroe so if it was realistic two years ago for Milwaukee to land a max free agent then Philly is certainly high enough on your totem poll to do likewise.

[skones]

You shouldn't be surprised that people react negatively when you ask if they would be interested in a player, they explain that they're saving their cap space for next season (which should be obvious to just about anyone that saw what the Sixers have done since the end of last season) and then respond by saying they're not a legitimate free agent destination.

But fine, I'll play along. Hill is making $20 million this season. All of the Sixers remaining cap space will be spent on Covington in six days. So how are the Sixers matching Hill's salary? Okafor is 5, where's the other 15 million coming from?

I'm a Milwaukee fan, and I don't respond negatively to that ever, because I'm realistic about where my franchise currently sits on the totem pole. I'm just really not interested in discussing with you any further.

So I'll take that as you had not thought through the need to match salaries and have no answer. And I also think this is a huge cop-out on your part. Just two years ago Milwaukee landed what was thought to be a free agent coup at the time in Monroe so if it was realistic two years ago for Milwaukee to land a max free agent then Philly is certainly high enough on your totem poll to do likewise.

Greg Monroe is very different than a legitimate star. In fact, Greg Monroe, at the time, is the same caliber player of George Hill, so you're not making some sort of grandiose point here.

[skones]

Let me rephrase. Why are you curious if Philadelphia would be interested in trading for Sacramento’s PG?

I think there's room for Milwaukee to bolster their front line with Koufos, Philly to get a good fit piece in Hill to play off Embiid and Simmons while playing mentor to Fultz for a season and a half while he matures, and Sacramento to go full in on the tank while getting a flyer piece in a guy like Okafor. Obviously if you think Hill's play this season is a reflection of actual player production as opposed to a product of his environment, it's a no go, but if you think he's George Hill of last year in a better situation, I hardly find his caliber of player as some sort of slap in the face addition.

So what’s your proposal? I don’t see anything going out from Milwaukee there.

Milwaukee Sends Snell for Koufos
Sacramento Sends Hill and Koufos for Bayless, Snell, Jah
Philly Sends Bayless and Jah for Hill

[BullyKing]

I'm a Milwaukee fan, and I don't respond negatively to that ever, because I'm realistic about where my franchise currently sits on the totem pole. I'm just really not interested in discussing with you any further.

So I'll take that as you had not thought through the need to match salaries and have no answer. And I also think this is a huge cop-out on your part. Just two years ago Milwaukee landed what was thought to be a free agent coup at the time in Monroe so if it was realistic two years ago for Milwaukee to land a max free agent then Philly is certainly high enough on your totem poll to do likewise.

Greg Monroe is very different than a legitimate star. In fact, Greg Monroe, at the time, is the same caliber player of George Hill, so you're not making some sort of grandiose point here.

Revisionist history

https://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/02/greg-monroe-milwaukee-bucks-free-agency-grades

Reports differ as to what Monroe was offered by which teams, though the final verdict is clear: A big-name, big-money free agent shrugged off New York and Los Angeles to sign with an up-and-coming team in Milwaukee

[skones]

So I'll take that as you had not thought through the need to match salaries and have no answer. And I also think this is a huge cop-out on your part. Just two years ago Milwaukee landed what was thought to be a free agent coup at the time in Monroe so if it was realistic two years ago for Milwaukee to land a max free agent then Philly is certainly high enough on your totem poll to do likewise.

Greg Monroe is very different than a legitimate star. In fact, Greg Monroe, at the time, is the same caliber player of George Hill, so you're not making some sort of grandiose point here.

Revisionist history

https://www.si.com/nba/2015/07/02/greg-monroe-milwaukee-bucks-free-agency-grades

Reports differ as to what Monroe was offered by which teams, though the final verdict is clear: A big-name, big-money free agent shrugged off New York and Los Angeles to sign with an up-and-coming team in Milwaukee

It's not revisionist history. Name and dollars involved in 2015 doesn't make a case for anyone thinking he was some bonafide all-star caliber player. People act like shrugging off NY and LA was a big deal. It's not. Those teams were garbage. That's why they were shrugged off. This misconception that markets make teams some sort of free agency destination is so off base. That's not how the NBA works.

[the_process]

I think there's room for Milwaukee to bolster their front line with Koufos, Philly to get a good fit piece in Hill to play off Embiid and Simmons while playing mentor to Fultz for a season and a half while he matures, and Sacramento to go full in on the tank while getting a flyer piece in a guy like Okafor. Obviously if you think Hill's play this season is a reflection of actual player production as opposed to a product of his environment, it's a no go, but if you think he's George Hill of last year in a better situation, I hardly find his caliber of player as some sort of slap in the face addition.

So what’s your proposal? I don’t see anything going out from Milwaukee there.

Milwaukee Sends Snell for Koufos
Sacramento Sends Hill and Koufos for Bayless, Snell, Jah
Philly Sends Bayless and Jah for Hill

Snell is like one of the only shooters you guys have, though. But if you’re okay with dealing him, maybe SAC does Koufos for Snell straight up? SAC doesn't need a replacement C, they have a bunch of big bodies. ZBo, Skal, Freak’s dad, WCS, and Harry Giles. But if Sacto’s motivation here is simply to move Hill’s $$$, then the Sixers aren’t the best place. Yes, in a vacuum Hill>Bayless. But it’s not a vacuum. One makes 9M and the other makes 20M. The opportunity cost is far too high to pull the trigger.

[skones]

So what’s your proposal? I don’t see anything going out from Milwaukee there.

Milwaukee Sends Snell for Koufos
Sacramento Sends Hill and Koufos for Bayless, Snell, Jah
Philly Sends Bayless and Jah for Hill

Snell is like one of the only shooters you guys have, though. But if you’re okay with dealing him, maybe SAC does Koufos for Snell straight up? SAC doesn't need a replacement C, they have a bunch of big bodies. ZBo, Skal, Freak’s dad, WCS, and Harry Giles. But if Sacto’s motivation here is simply to move Hill’s $$$, then the Sixers aren’t the best place. Yes, in a vacuum Hill>Bayless. But it’s not a vacuum. One makes 9M and the other makes 20M. The opportunity cost is far too high to pull the trigger.

Sacramento needs all the flyer talent they can get their hands on. Nobody is watching Skal, Papagiannis, and WCS right now thinking, "Oh, we're definitely set for the future."

As far as the money involved, my line of thinking was more or less Hill >>>> Bayless (I guess you guys haven't really seen Bayless play for an extended period of time, he's a super super frustrating player that many of us in Milwaukee grew to loathe), and you're looking at a difference of 5M this year and 10M next for a pretty clear substantial upgrade. On top of that, Hill's trade prospects will be ideal with that NGd third year during the 2018 offseason/season. He can be treated as an expiring deal during next season, or as a guy who's around to help for two years at a team's discretion. I don't think 10M is "too high" an opportunity cost, but if it's not your bag, it's not your bag.

[the_process]

Milwaukee Sends Snell for Koufos
Sacramento Sends Hill and Koufos for Bayless, Snell, Jah
Philly Sends Bayless and Jah for Hill

Snell is like one of the only shooters you guys have, though. But if you’re okay with dealing him, maybe SAC does Koufos for Snell straight up? SAC doesn't need a replacement C, they have a bunch of big bodies. ZBo, Skal, Freak’s dad, WCS, and Harry Giles. But if Sacto’s motivation here is simply to move Hill’s $$$, then the Sixers aren’t the best place. Yes, in a vacuum Hill>Bayless. But it’s not a vacuum. One makes 9M and the other makes 20M. The opportunity cost is far too high to pull the trigger.

Sacramento needs all the flyer talent they can get their hands on. Nobody is watching Skal, Papagiannis, and WCS right now thinking, "Oh, we're definitely set for the future."

As far as the money involved, my line of thinking was more or less Hill >>>> Bayless(I guess you guys haven't really seen Bayless play for an extended period of time, he's a super super frustrating player that many of us in Milwaukee grew to loathe), and you're looking at a difference of 5M this year and 10M next for a pretty clear substantial upgrade. On top of that, Hill's trade prospects will be ideal with that NGd third year during the 2018 offseason/season. He can be treated as an expiring deal during next season, or as a guy who's around to help for two years at a team's discretion. I don't think 10M is "too high" an opportunity cost, but if it's not your bag, it's not your bag.

If that’s the case, why would Sacto want to dump Hill’s money and take on Bayless’? They should be fine with Snell for Koufos and keeping Hill; and if they also want to take a flier on some other young guys at the same time, I don’t think any Sixer fans would object to Jah and Stauskas for VC (plus it would be really funny sending Sauce back to Sacto).

[the_process]

Jah and Sauce Castillo to Sacramento for Vince Carter.

[Negrodamus]

Jah for Kyle Singler, Dakari Johnson, the rights to PJ Dozier, and a second rounder.

[KrazySixersD]

let me first say I have no idea if this has merit or not, but a friend of mine who is a magic fan claims that one of their insiders said the following:

sixers and magic have discussed okafor and anderson for Hezonja... not sure at all if true, and not sure why we would have to also add anderson in it..

but take it as u will

[ProcessDoctor]

let me first say I have no idea if this has merit or not, but a friend of mine who is a magic fan claims that one of their insiders said the following:

sixers and magic have discussed okafor and anderson for Hezonja... not sure at all if true, and not sure why we would have to also add anderson in it..

but take it as u will

Hmm...interesting. The challenge with bringing Mario over is that he's in the same contract situation as OK4. Not sure if I wanna use any money on him next summer.

[Kobblehead]

I like Justin on the roster as a deep reserve, but I suppose he won't be necessary next year with Luwawu and Korkmaz (hopefully) taking the next step and a couple of incoming rookie contract players from the 2018 draft that might be at the G and F positions.

[the_process]

let me first say I have no idea if this has merit or not, but a friend of mine who is a magic fan claims that one of their insiders said the following:

sixers and magic have discussed okafor and anderson for Hezonja... not sure at all if true, and not sure why we would have to also add anderson in it..

but take it as u will

Make the Magic take Sauce instead of Anderson if we’re just giving away freebies.

[Ericb5]

let me first say I have no idea if this has merit or not, but a friend of mine who is a magic fan claims that one of their insiders said the following:

sixers and magic have discussed okafor and anderson for Hezonja... not sure at all if true, and not sure why we would have to also add anderson in it..

but take it as u will

Make the Magic take Sauce instead of Anderson if we’re just giving away freebies.

That would be pretty funny if Okafor and Noel turned into a second round pick and a severely discounted Hezonja.

The number one negative that has to be pinned on Bryan since he has been here is that he blew the value of those two guys. Hinkie would have traded one of them at the draft, and the other one sometime either later that summer or early the following season. Bryan would have NEVER been able to trade MCW for what Hinkie got for him.

The Fultz trade is too early to grade so I’m not counting that for or against Bryan yet.


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[smittybanton]

let me first say I have no idea if this has merit or not, but a friend of mine who is a magic fan claims that one of their insiders said the following:

sixers and magic have discussed okafor and anderson for Hezonja... not sure at all if true, and not sure why we would have to also add anderson in it..

but take it as u will

That'd be appropriate, considering I was on LB back then, and the vast majority of dudes there claiming to be down with "analytics" wanted Mario Hezonja badly.

I'd take it. Although I still don't see any 'grit'. Korkmaz is a better bet. Playing them together on the wings in the second unit along with TLC could be interesting though.

[spikeslovechild]

let me first say I have no idea if this has merit or not, but a friend of mine who is a magic fan claims that one of their insiders said the following:

sixers and magic have discussed okafor and anderson for Hezonja... not sure at all if true, and not sure why we would have to also add anderson in it..

but take it as u will

Hmm...interesting. The challenge with bringing Mario over is that he's in the same contract situation as OK4. Not sure if I wanna use any money on him next summer.

First of all I'm not making that deal without picks. Two, why would ORL want Okafor they have Vuc and Biyombo.

[LloydFree]

Jah for Kyle Singler, Dakari Johnson, the rights to PJ Dozier, and a second rounder.

Embiid's eyes would probably light up with the chance to smash Dakari in practice. He was Embiid's teammate at Montverde when they used to laugh at him about his play.

[LloydFree]

Rumored the Cavs are interested in Greg Monroe.
Cavs-Suns-76ers:

Cavs out: Shumpert, Frye and a 2nd.
Cavs In: Greg Monroe

Suns out: Greg Monroe
Suns In: Okafor and Jeryd Bayless

76ers out: Okafor and Bayless
76ers In: Shumpert, Frye and Cavs 2nd.

The 76ers upgrade the defensive versatility of their starting guards without adding much salary, moving Bayless for Shumpert. Strengthens the starting lineups defensive upside potential.