Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[Winejk]

Also think people are overlooking the Lakers. Are they a playoff team? No i do not think so in the West.....but I do not think they are a lock for a top 5 losing record.

If it means anything the Lakers have played one of the easier schedules so far across the league. I think they could go through some very tough stretches and find themselves with one of the 5 worst records in the league.

Conversely, Sixers have played the toughest schedule in the league and are sitting at .500

https://espn.go.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

[PhilasFinest]

Again, the topic was about the lakers pick, so trae young is irrelevant

The Lakers aren't even in the top 5 right now if the season ended....and your fooling yourself with each comment.

Also, WTF does any of this have to do with Fultz? And why is this dude trolling here?

You uhh....You realize its a lottery, right? They don't need to be a bottom 5 team for the pick to convey to the Celtics. Also, they were bottom 5 literally a few days ago, so who cares where they are today? When its all said and done they'll be at the bottom 3 probably

Yea, uhhh I know its a lottery. Did you know that already or did Nbadraft.net highlight that in an article on the draft process?

Well, we disagree with where we think the Lakers will be in the standings at years end.I don't see them being worse then the Hawks, Bulls, Mavs, Nets. The Clippers are on a downward spiral and are a DeAndre Jordan trade away from being AWFUL. Phoenix is tanking and Memphis is riddled with injuries and on a downward spiral as well. That's 6 teams I think are worse then the Lakers, and the Kings are in the discussion as well, making it 7.

The Lakers have 0 incentive to tank/lose games. They will continue to try and get better and compete and have some talented young players who could/should improve as the season progresses....while other teams (that own their own draft picks) that are going nowhere will have the ability to try and jockey themselves for a higher spot in the lottery down the stretch.

Im sure you have some blind optimism, and its certainly possible the Lakers end up towards the bottom ( which Im all for, considering if they win the lotto, we get the pick) but I certainly am not sold on the notion like you seem to be.

[Baller1234a]

Listen, I think Tatum is a solid player who is going to have a good career. But Celtics fans coming into the Fultz thread to pump up their pick to make themselves feel better is silly. I think he's going to be a good third option / team guy on a good team. That's decent value for the 3 pick.

That’s what he is right now. The 3rd best player on one of the best teams in the NBA. That’s his floor.

The Cavs are elite... Who has been their 3rd best player this year?

The Cavs have Lebron.

You can’t say Tatum does not have a huge impact in winning. He’s been our 3rd most important player on a team that does not rely on 1 player (beat the hornets and raptors without Kyrie and beat the hornets and the lakers without Horford).

[Misteclipse]

Why is this thread full of Celtics trolls spewing their insecurity all over a 76ers forum...

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

[LloydFree]

Why is this thread full of Celtics trolls spewing their insecurity all over a 76ers forum...

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

Because Bryan Colangelo gifted them a high lottery pick and gave them license.

[Mik317]

so lets say we get lucky and keep the Lakers pick...do we still have this angst over the trade yet again next year?

[Baller1234a]

Why is this thread full of Celtics trolls spewing their insecurity all over a 76ers forum...

Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

Because of the deal?

Also don’t see how I was a troll. Didn’t say 1 thing about the trade, I believe I was respectful and I was not the one to turn the conversation to Tatum. So how am I trolling? Because you don’t like my opinion? Or because I’m a Celtics fan?

[Baller1234a]

so lets say we get lucky and keep the Lakers pick...do we still have this angst over the trade yet again next year?

I don’t know how I would feel if I was the Sixers. I would actually prefer Kings pick over Lakers pick.

1. LAL pick would make getting max cap space harder.
2. Most likely will not be a good pick. Talent mostly drops after the top 5 and unless you get the first(why I said mostly) the BPA will most likely be a big.

[Mik317]

eh if we get lucky and get the pick is would either be 1 or 6-13. The former means we get the pick of the litter, the later is where most of the wing prospects should land as of right now (**** changes of course).

[HotelVitale]

Also think people are overlooking the Lakers. Are they a playoff team? No i do not think so in the West.....but I do not think they are a lock for a top 5 losing record.

If it means anything the Lakers have played one of the easier schedules so far across the league. I think they could go through some very tough stretches and find themselves with one of the 5 worst records in the league.

I've seen them play 4 or 5 times this year, they're clunky and streaky but definitely aren't terrible overall. I'd say the Hawks, Suns, Bulls, and Kings look worse and less talented, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Lakers win a couple more games than the Mavs, Grizz, Magic, and Nets. I'd put huge money on them landing in that #5-10 zone now and bet aggressively against them ending up in the bottom 5.

Why is this thread full of Celtics trolls spewing their insecurity all over a 76ers forum... Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

Because of the deal? Also don’t see how I was a troll. Didn’t say 1 thing about the trade, I believe I was respectful and I was not the one to turn the conversation to Tatum. So how am I trolling? Because you don’t like my opinion? Or because I’m a Celtics fan?

It's not your fault, just context of this thread. Some folks have been criticizing the Fultz trade from the minute it was announced and others have grown super anxious about the weird shoulder thing, and that's led a bunch of other posters to become intensely reactionary. Any whiff of Fultz criticism (no matter how measured) or Tatum love gets people sharpening the pitchforks. It's a little annoying but you gotta understand there's been a full 220+ pages of these arguments stewing with almost no game action from Fultz to make them go anywhere.

[Baller1234a]

Also think people are overlooking the Lakers. Are they a playoff team? No i do not think so in the West.....but I do not think they are a lock for a top 5 losing record.

If it means anything the Lakers have played one of the easier schedules so far across the league. I think they could go through some very tough stretches and find themselves with one of the 5 worst records in the league.

I've seen them play 4 or 5 times this year, they're clunky and streaky but definitely aren't terrible overall. I'd say the Hawks, Suns, Bulls, and Kings look worse and less talented, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Lakers win a couple more games than the Mavs, Grizz, Magic, and Nets. I'd put huge money on them landing in that #5-10 zone now and bet aggressively against them ending up in the bottom 5.

Why is this thread full of Celtics trolls spewing their insecurity all over a 76ers forum... Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

Because of the deal? Also don’t see how I was a troll. Didn’t say 1 thing about the trade, I believe I was respectful and I was not the one to turn the conversation to Tatum. So how am I trolling? Because you don’t like my opinion? Or because I’m a Celtics fan?

It's not your fault, just context of this thread. Some folks have been criticizing the Fultz trade from the minute it was announced and others have grown super anxious about the weird shoulder thing, and that's led a bunch of other posters to become intensely reactionary. Any whiff of Fultz criticism (no matter how measured) or Tatum love gets people sharpening the pitchforks. It's a little annoying but you gotta understand there's been a full 220+ pages of these arguments stewing with almost no game action from Fultz to make them go anywhere.

Understood.

[Ericb5]

Mock draft sites are never proactive is recognizing talent. They just wait until there's enough hype around a player and then move him up. Draftxpress was the same way.

To be fair, these sites aren’t ranking players with their own eyes, they are ranking players according to their draft stock. That is a different thing.
Nbadraft.com is horrible at original content, and always have been.

Draft express was a lot better, but they will always be lagging indicators on the best talents because they are more aggregators of opinions than they are opinionated on their own.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Ericb5]

eh if we get lucky and get the pick is would either be 1 or 6-13. The former means we get the pick of the litter, the later is where most of the wing prospects should land as of right now (**** changes of course).

At 6 I would prefer the Lakers pick to rolling the dice with the Kings pick, maybe 7 too. After that I would rather roll the dice.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Sixers2125]

Lakers will end up in the 8-11 range. I think it's pretty much a lock that they are no worse than 8th. So unless there's some lotto luck we are getting their pick this year. Remember, after the all Star break when teams start tanking and sitting their good players out for the rest of the year the Lakers will have no incentive to do so. So I expect them to pass some teams after the all Star break. They are coming up on a pretty brutal stretch so hopefully they can pile up some of the losses.

Sent from my [device_name] using [url]RealGM mobile app[/url]

[Ryuzaki]

Lakers will end up in the 8-11 range. I think it's pretty much a lock that they are no worse than 8th. So unless there's some lotto luck we are getting their pick this year. Remember, after the all Star break when teams start tanking and sitting their good players out for the rest of the year the Lakers will have no incentive to do so. So I expect them to pass some teams after the all Star break. They are coming up on a pretty brutal stretch so hopefully they can pile up some of the losses.

Sent from my [device_name] using [url]RealGM mobile app[/url]

Which 7-10 teams are they better than?

[Sixers2125]

Lakers will end up in the 8-11 range. I think it's pretty much a lock that they are no worse than 8th. So unless there's some lotto luck we are getting their pick this year. Remember, after the all Star break when teams start tanking and sitting their good players out for the rest of the year the Lakers will have no incentive to do so. So I expect them to pass some teams after the all Star break. They are coming up on a pretty brutal stretch so hopefully they can pile up some of the losses.

Sent from my [device_name] using [url]RealGM mobile app[/url]

Which 7-10 teams are they better than?

Chicago, Atlanta, Sacramento, Phoenix, Dallas. I think there Lakers without question are better than those teams. All of them will be probably be tanking at the end of the year too. If things continue with the clippers and grizzlies I could see them trading or resting their star players and tanking as well. Brooklyn just got Okafor, so I think the Lakers finish above them too but that could really go either way. If Orlando continues to lose they'll embrace the tank just as they did last year. I could even see Charlotte or Miami giving up on the season if things go bad. If Porzingis goes down and he is quite injury prone, then they could drop fast. You could even say the same about us if Embiid goes down.

Either way no incentive to talk means a lot. Plus the Lakers wanna at least be respectable to entice PG or LeBron. They are a young team and I think lonzo is actually starting to improve, same with Ingram. Id be amazed if they were bottom 8.

Where do you think they'll end up?



Sent from my [device_name] using [url]RealGM mobile app[/url]

[PLO]

Remember there's much more incentive to tank this season, the last season with the old draft lottery rules where the last place team gets a big advantage in terms of % chance of winning the top pick. The draft looks strong at the top of it. The Lakers have no pick and are trying to attract top free agents. I think its a recipe for the Lakers to have a better record than a number of teams - which is not to say the pick won't still convey to Boston, but chances are it wont and the 76ers get it.

[PLO]

An interest for me is what effect Fultz' return will effect our isolation play %. Currently last in the NBA, as befits a team whose coach spent years at the Spurs with Popovich.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Read on Twitter

High level athleticism at work for the only rookie that I was told by realgm experts was going to be a net positive his first year.

We sure he doesn't have scapular muscle imbalance? Cause something looks wrong with him

[LordCovington33]

Read on Twitter

High level athleticism at work for the only rookie that I was told by realgm experts was going to be a net positive his first year.

We sure he doesn't have scapular muscle imbalance? Cause something looks wrong with him

I liked Jackson in college. I wasn't expecting this. He was my third fav behind Fultz and Fox.