Fantasy Trade Thread: 2020 Offseason

[TGW]

The Wizards wouldn't do that. That is laughably horrible.

[Phillyboy]

Ive been doing Tobi to Bobcats. Believing that Bobcats is one of those franchise who’d gladly overpay (salary) for Tobi. They just did it with Hayward.

We should definitely keep Tobias 1 more year and see how he does with Doc, if he plays how he did with the Clippers we have a great shot at a ring

First, Happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow Sixer fans!

I'd keep my options open on Harris but I agree if we head into the season with him still here he could turn out to be a very solid and successful player. Perhaps even return to that "fringe all star" player from DET and LA. Doc will utilize Harris correctly keeping primarily at the 4 (where he belongs) and they do have that history together. Could Harris be legitimate third star material? I'll say this. If it's there Doc can bring it out.

[76ciology]

The Wizards wouldn't do that. That is laughably horrible.

Yup I also dont see Wiz would give Beal just to get out of Wall’s contract

[76ciology]

I like Rozier's skillset a lot, but he obviously is a headcase.

I view Garland as being in the same spectrum as Maxey. Halfcourt scoring bench player that I want to eventually trade, as opposed to build with.

In your eye, Garland = Maxey?

I dont know much about Garland except that he’s a top 5 pick in 2019 draft and has the upside to be a great shooter with some playmaking skills. I’d say likely to be a Jamal Murray type player.

[76ciology]

I'm uncomfortable with parting with any more draft capital. Especially after the Horford dump and the Curry acquisition. We lost a future first and a current 2nd rounder with those moves.

My concept for the deal is we’re going to bank on Garland and Maxey’s upside. I mean.. i dont think you’re going to get someone as promising as Garland with your 2021 1st round pick.

We know the archetype of the 3rd star we need, someone who be a great shooter and do some shot creation.
We have 3 bets:
1.) Garland
2.) Maxey
3.) Rozier
Possibly Seth?

Then if that don’t pan out, you get a max cap space in year 3, once Rozier and Biid’s contract expires.

We get better for now and the future, something has got to give.

[Stanford]

Kobble wants us to keep our picks so he can tell us whoever we draft isn't that good

[Kobblehead]

Kobble wants us to keep our picks so he can tell us whoever we draft isn't that good

Paul Reed was on my approved list. I'm happy with that selection.

Let me go on the record and tell you what would have made it a perfect draft.

#21 R.J. Hampton or LeAndro Bolmaro (take your pick)
#34 Xavier Tillman
#36 Tre Jones
#49 Skylar Mays
#58 Paul Reed

[LloydFree]

Not a fan of Tre Jones. Undersized backup pure PGs are everywhere. No need to waste picks on them.

[Kobblehead]

In your eye, Garland = Maxey?

I dont know much about Garland except that he’s a top 5 pick in 2019 draft and has the upside to be a great shooter with some playmaking skills. I’d say likely to be a Jamal Murray type player.

I think Garland and Maxey are similar in that they're terrible defensive players that have the ability to score off the dribble in the halfcourt on the offensive end with their shotcreating abilities. I view them as bench scorers as opposed to starters.

[LloydFree]

In your eye, Garland = Maxey?

I dont know much about Garland except that he’s a top 5 pick in 2019 draft and has the upside to be a great shooter with some playmaking skills. I’d say likely to be a Jamal Murray type player.

I think Garland and Maxey are similar in that they're terrible defensive players that have the ability to score off the dribble in the halfcourt on the offensive end with their shotcreating abilities. I view them as bench scorers as opposed to starters.

Garland has better shooting form. Maxey has a more sturdy NBA frame.

[76ciology]

Trade destinations for Tobi:

1.)Hornets for Rozier and Zeller
- Hornets has no PF.
2.) Pacers for Myles Turner and filler (TJ and McDermott)
- Cheaper Hayward (ainge was asking for a pick)
3.) Kings for Hield and Jabari
- Tobi is better than Hield while Hield doesnt want to play with the Kings, blatantly.
4.) Cavs for Love
-They dont care about cap space. Tobi is younger than Love.

Hornets:
- I also thought Bridges plays PF, but the team thought he struggled playing PF so they slide him to SF. He played almost 75% at SF last season.
- I think Hornets may become a future play-off team with..
Lamelo-Graham-Hayward-Tobias-Dunk&Defend C
^ lamelo and 3 guys who can give him 18ppg plus a C to play defense?
- Rozier shot 40% from 3 and can score at the G position.
- as good as the talent exchange is the salary. Zeller expires in year 1, Rozier in year 2. Tobi still in year 4z

Pacers:
- been reading about Pritchard and how he almost “overpaid” for Hayward.
- similar to the bobcats, their ownership just wants to make the play-offs.
- this is a potential playoff line-up..
Brogdon-Oladipo-Tobias-Warren-Dunk&Defend C
^ you got 4 guys who can shoot and score atleast 18ppg

Cavs:
- I find Love is a better fit than Tobi. But Tobi can be a better player by next season
- Love’s salary is more team friendly, gives you a max cap by year 3.
- I love being more creative by adding a third team. Improve the package to be given to the Cavs, add one of our more valuable asset (milton?) then get Garland in return

Hield:
- not a better player but maybe a more positive asset considering his salary

[the_process]

Trade destinations for Tobi:

1.)Hornets for Rozier and Zeller
- Hornets has no PF.
2.) Pacers for Myles Turner and filler (TJ and McDermott)
- Cheaper Hayward (ainge was asking for a pick)
3.) Kings for Hield and Jabari
- Tobi is better than Hield while Hield doesnt want to play with the Kings, blatantly.
4.) Cavs for Love
-They dont care about cap space. Tobi is younger than Love.

Hornets have PJ Washington and Miles Bridges who can play the 4. And Rozier is so blah.

Pacers aren't trading Myles Turner for Tobias Harris.

Hield might be okay if he's a starter again.

Love makes you worse than Harris does.

[76ciology]

Trade destinations for Tobi:

1.)Hornets for Rozier and Zeller
- Hornets has no PF.
2.) Pacers for Myles Turner and filler (TJ and McDermott)
- Cheaper Hayward (ainge was asking for a pick)
3.) Kings for Hield and Jabari
- Tobi is better than Hield while Hield doesnt want to play with the Kings, blatantly.
4.) Cavs for Love
-They dont care about cap space. Tobi is younger than Love.

Hornets have PJ Washington and Miles Bridges who can play the 4. And Rozier is so blah.

Pacers aren't trading Myles Turner for Tobias Harris.

Hield might be okay if he's a starter again.

Love makes you worse than Harris does.

Hornets:
- I also thought Bridges plays PF, but the team thought he struggled playing PF so they slide him to SF. He played almost 75% at SF last season.
- I think Hornets may become a future play-off team with..
Lamelo-Graham-Hayward-Tobias-Dunk&Defend C
^ lamelo and 3 guys who can give him 18ppg plus a C to play defense?
- Rozier shot 40% from 3 and can score at the G position.
- as good as the talent exchange is the salary. Zeller expires in year 1, Rozier in year 2. Tobi still in year 4z

Pacers:
- been reading about Pritchard and how he almost “overpaid” for Hayward.
- similar to the bobcats, their ownership just wants to make the play-offs.
- this is a potential playoff line-up..
Brogdon-Oladipo-Tobias-Warren-Dunk&Defend C
^ you got 4 guys who can shoot and score atleast 18ppg

Cavs:
- I find Love is a better fit than Tobi. But Tobi can be a better player by next season
- Love’s salary is more team friendly, gives you a max cap by year 3.
- I love being more creative by adding a third team. Improve the package to be given to the Cavs, add one of our more valuable asset (milton?) then get Garland in return

Hield:
- not a better player but maybe a more positive asset considering his salary

[the_process]

Trade destinations for Tobi:

1.)Hornets for Rozier and Zeller
- Hornets has no PF.
2.) Pacers for Myles Turner and filler (TJ and McDermott)
- Cheaper Hayward (ainge was asking for a pick)
3.) Kings for Hield and Jabari
- Tobi is better than Hield while Hield doesnt want to play with the Kings, blatantly.
4.) Cavs for Love
-They dont care about cap space. Tobi is younger than Love.

Hornets have PJ Washington and Miles Bridges who can play the 4. And Rozier is so blah.

Pacers aren't trading Myles Turner for Tobias Harris.

Hield might be okay if he's a starter again.

Love makes you worse than Harris does.

Hornets:
- I also thought Bridges plays PF, but the team thought he struggled playing PF so they slide him to SF. He played almost 75% at SF last season.
- I think Hornets may become a future play-off team with..
Lamelo-Graham-Hayward-Tobias-Dunk&Defend C
^ lamelo and 3 guys who can give him 18ppg plus a C to play defense?
- Rozier shot 40% from 3 and can score at the G position.
- as good as the talent exchange is the salary. Zeller expires in year 1, Rozier in year 2. Tobi still in year 4z

Pacers:
- been reading about Pritchard and how he almost “overpaid” for Hayward.
- similar to the bobcats, their ownership just wants to make the play-offs.
- this is a potential playoff line-up..
Brogdon-Oladipo-Tobias-Warren-Dunk&Defend C
^ you got 4 guys who can shoot and score atleast 18ppg

Cavs:
- I find Love is a better fit than Tobi. But Tobi can be a better player by next season
- Love’s salary is more team friendly, gives you a max cap by year 3.
- I love being more creative by adding a third team. Improve the package to be given to the Cavs, add one of our more valuable asset (milton?) then get Garland in return

Hield:
- not a better player but maybe a more positive asset considering his salary

Admittedly CHA is probably a good target to dump Harris. How about this:

Harris, Milton, LouWill, some dude named Ky Bowman, and a top 4 protected 2021 1st (also top 4 protected 2022, if not conveyed 2022 & 2023 2nds) to CHA
Monk and Scott to LAC
Batum, Washington, and Rozier to PHI

-also allows CHA to sign Hayward outright without stretching anyone or dealing with Boston

[Kobblehead]

Not a fan of Tre Jones. Undersized backup pure PGs are everywhere. No need to waste picks on them.

I love Tre. I think he's a better version of T.J. McConnell. I think he has the chance to be a rock-solid starter in this league.

[LloydFree]

Kobble wants us to keep our picks so he can tell us whoever we draft isn't that good

Paul Reed was on my approved list. I'm happy with that selection.

Let me go on the record and tell you what would have made it a perfect draft.

#21 R.J. Hampton or LeAndro Bolmaro (take your pick)
#34 Xavier Tillman
#36 Tre Jones
#49 Skylar Mays
#58 Paul Reed

- I don't disagree with RJ Hampton. I may have taken a chance on his upside at that point of the draft. But I do think Maxey is more skilled and the surer thing for what the 76ers need immediately, so I understand the pick.

- I agree on Tillman. Xavier Tillman should have been a 1st round pick. There were at least 5 teams that took big men that should have selected Tillman instead

Totally disagree on Tre Jones. I wouldn't waste a good draft pick on the next TJ Mcconnell. The salary cap is 130 million. Just sign TJ Mcconnell or Jevon Carter for 3 million per year. Don't waste an asset on that.

- Unsure on Skylar Mays. He can play, but I don't know that he is anything special at the NBA level. Honestly, I don't know what he does that Shake Milton doesn't already do for the 76ers and Shake was a better college player than him.

[Kobblehead]

Mays is a stud defender and a stud shotcreater. He's a plug and play postseason asset, in my eyes.

I think Milton is the opposite of that. He's deficient in both playoff traits of defense and shotcreation. I think Milton is basically a shooting specialist with some random secondary passing skills.

[LloydFree]

Mays is a stud defender and a stud shotcreater. He's a plug and play postseason asset, in my eyes.

I think Milton is the opposite of that. He's deficient in both playoff traits of defense and shotcreation. I think Milton is basically a shooting specialist with some random secondary passing skills.

I get it. He reminds a bit of Malcolm Brogdon.

He's good defensively at the college level, but I'm not sure he will be any better than Shake Milton at the pro level, because he doesn't have the measurables. Offensively, I don't see what he does that's significantly better than Shake.

[76ciology]

Hornets have PJ Washington and Miles Bridges who can play the 4. And Rozier is so blah.

Pacers aren't trading Myles Turner for Tobias Harris.

Hield might be okay if he's a starter again.

Love makes you worse than Harris does.

Hornets:
- I also thought Bridges plays PF, but the team thought he struggled playing PF so they slide him to SF. He played almost 75% at SF last season.
- I think Hornets may become a future play-off team with..
Lamelo-Graham-Hayward-Tobias-Dunk&Defend C
^ lamelo and 3 guys who can give him 18ppg plus a C to play defense?
- Rozier shot 40% from 3 and can score at the G position.
- as good as the talent exchange is the salary. Zeller expires in year 1, Rozier in year 2. Tobi still in year 4z

Pacers:
- been reading about Pritchard and how he almost “overpaid” for Hayward.
- similar to the bobcats, their ownership just wants to make the play-offs.
- this is a potential playoff line-up..
Brogdon-Oladipo-Tobias-Warren-Dunk&Defend C
^ you got 4 guys who can shoot and score atleast 18ppg

Cavs:
- I find Love is a better fit than Tobi. But Tobi can be a better player by next season
- Love’s salary is more team friendly, gives you a max cap by year 3.
- I love being more creative by adding a third team. Improve the package to be given to the Cavs, add one of our more valuable asset (milton?) then get Garland in return

Hield:
- not a better player but maybe a more positive asset considering his salary

Admittedly CHA is probably a good target to dump Harris. How about this:

Harris, Milton, LouWill, some dude named Ky Bowman, and a top 4 protected 2021 1st (also top 4 protected 2022, if not conveyed 2022 & 2023 2nds) to CHA
Monk and Scott to LAC
Batum, Washington, and Rozier to PHI

-also allows CHA to sign Hayward outright without stretching anyone or dealing with Boston

We can just straight up just send Tobi to Bobcats for Zeller and Rozier.

My thinking is to keep getting small wins (positive assets), accumulate them then strike big for homerun like Harden.

Right now, I can find a way to turn Tobi into a positive asset. But I cant find a way to accumulate all the assets into a homerun.

I can get us here:
Danny Green 15M expiring
Tony Brandley 3.5M expiring
Mike Scort 5 M expiring
Kork 1.5M expiring
8M trade exemption
10M expiring from Tobi trade
Borderline star from Tobi trade (Rozier or Turner or Hield)
Maxey
Milton
2021 1st
2023 1st
^
35M of expiring
8M trade exemption
Borderline star like Rozier, Hield or Myles Turner
Maxey
Milton
2 1st round pick
^
I dont think that is better than the Nets offer for Harden.

One scenario is we can absorb a bad contract like RW or Wall then ship him to cleveland for Love, in order to get Beal or Harden.

[spikeslovechild]

I would do that deal, pretty easily.

Neither Harris or Love can defend, so you might as well take the better shooter and better rebounder and that's Kevin.

Garland is a tiny shotcreater that we can use in the short term and, like you said, flip down the line.

Between Garland, Maxey and our eventual signing of Austin Rivers, we'd have a small handful of guys that can get buckets in the halfcourt in their sleep (albeit while being a bunch of defensive zeroes in the process, though).

What I like about Love over Harris is Love can punish SFs compared to Tobi.

If opponents has to put their PFs on Love then Love can step out, you take away the PF who can help their C protect the rim.

It’s like having Al but the difference is Love is a way better shooter and much better in attacking close outs. Love can also is reliable to get you 20-30pts where as Al is living in his natural habitat of 12-15ppg.

The contracts are almost the same. But Tobi is a year younger. You see the Bobcats (Cavs on the same tier) wouldnt mind overpaying Hayward to stay relevant.

Let’s be honest, Love is only good for like 2 more seasons. And this is where Garland for Milton trade comes in to compensate for it. And we’ll never know, Milton may even end up being a better player than Garland.

Love is actually 4 years older and coming off serious injuries. No thanks. He maybe better in the nearterm though that is far from a sure thing and his contract goes for another 3 years. I'd rather have Harris. Also Harris has had his struggles shooting lately but part of the reason why we traded Horford was to increase the speed of the team and make us less of a halfcourt offense. We all know one of Simmons strengths is pushing the ball up the floor before the defense has a chance to get set to do that you can't have Embiid and Love. Or Embiid and Horford. Part of moving Tobie to PF and presumably starting Green as SF was to get faster.

Now if we traded Simmons for Harden then I'd be fine with it. We'd basically be all in on a two year window and Harden is a guy who likes to break down a defense and is a better fit next to Love.