Ben Simmons Trade Thread part V

[Kobblehead]

If Anthony Edwards is traded for Ben Simmons, the T'Wolves are making a grave mistake, lol.

Oh it's happening.

I just hope Morey accepts him as a longterm piece instead of wanting to repurpose him in a trade package later on.

[stormi]

I'm fine with him not showing up, but the idea that a team trying to trade you means you can just quit on the team is pretty ridiculous. I can point to tons of examples here, notably Iverson almost getting traded to the Pistons before 01.

Likewise it's not the rest of the team's job to take time out of their summer to organize a group intervention so one of their colleagues shows up to their job.

But hey, it's all about Ben. Wonder if he's figured out the free throw thing or if teams are gonna hack him off the court.

If Ben felt alienated and the team made no attempts to rectify the situation, why would he feel comfortable returning to an environment where he clearly is not wanted?

It's become common belief that Ben simply just doesn't care about basketball or the Philadelphia 76ers. Revisit his interview after Game 7. He is obviously very upset and takes accountability multiple times. He admits he played bad, he admits he wasn't good enough and he says it over and over again.

It's not like Ben just woke up one day and said he was done with this franchise, he says he wants to come back. And then comments from his teammate(s) and coach come out and the finger is pointed directly at him. Whether it's deserved or undeserved is another discussion, but from that point, if they valued him like they're pretending they do now they should have made him feel like it. The human factor isn't considered enough. It's fine to be done with Ben. Doc and Embiid are allowed to think he simply isn't good enough and not the guy they need to be world champions, but it's cowardly to spin around and pretend like nothing happened because the burden you helped create hasn't just gone away as quickly as you'd hoped.

What Doc and especially Embiid said was absolutely fine and he's acting like it was offensive because it's easier to blame other people rather than look in the mirror and actually admit it was your fault

He did? What are you ranting about.

[Iverson Armband]

I'm fine with him not showing up, but the idea that a team trying to trade you means you can just quit on the team is pretty ridiculous. I can point to tons of examples here, notably Iverson almost getting traded to the Pistons before 01.

Likewise it's not the rest of the team's job to take time out of their summer to organize a group intervention so one of their colleagues shows up to their job.

But hey, it's all about Ben. Wonder if he's figured out the free throw thing or if teams are gonna hack him off the court.

If Ben felt alienated and the team made no attempts to rectify the situation, why would he feel comfortable returning to an environment where he clearly is not wanted?

It's become common belief that Ben simply just doesn't care about basketball or the Philadelphia 76ers. Revisit his interview after Game 7. He is obviously very upset and takes accountability multiple times. He admits he played bad, he admits he wasn't good enough and he says it over and over again.

It's not like Ben just woke up one day and said he was done with this franchise, he says he wants to come back. And then comments from his teammate(s) and coach come out and the finger is pointed directly at him. Whether it's deserved or undeserved is another discussion, but from that point, if they valued him like they're pretending they do now they should have made him feel like it. The human factor isn't considered enough. It's fine to be done with Ben. Doc and Embiid are allowed to think he simply isn't good enough and not the guy they need to be world champions, but it's cowardly to spin around and pretend like nothing happened because the burden you helped create hasn't just gone away as quickly as you'd hoped.

What Doc and especially Embiid said was absolutely fine and he's acting like it was offensive because it's easier to blame other people rather than look in the mirror and actually admit it was your fault that you didn't practice your free throws enough and suffered a complete loss of confidence in the middle of a playoffs wasting months of hard work by the rest of your team and coaches.

It's not his teammates' or coaches' job to prove to him they love him or whatever. This isn't summer camp, it's the pros, you get the respect you earn. You stop playing offense in the middle of the playoffs and people aren't going to act like you are the best player in the world. If he requires that level of respect to show up at camp then he should play better.

And btw, even though Embiid did nothing wrong, he still tried to reach out to him earlier in the summer to clear the air, because unlike Ben he's actually emotionally mature and understands that other people don't exist to support you. And Ben apparently refused to speak with him or didn't call him back or whatever. Embiid made an effort but he's not gonna stand outside Ben's house with a boombox because Ben's bubble burst a little bit.

This 1000%. Or, how about just be a… professional adult? I mean, he’s never really shown the ability to do that, so I guess it’s kind of unreasonable to think he’d start now.

[Kobblehead]

If Ben felt alienated and the team made no attempts to rectify the situation, why would he feel comfortable returning to an environment where he clearly is not wanted?

Because he's obligated to. And he's supposed to be a man, not a immature little boy.

[ProcessDoctor]

If Anthony Edwards is traded for Ben Simmons, the T'Wolves are making a grave mistake, lol.

Oh it's happening.

I just hope Morey accepts him as a longterm piece instead of wanting to repurpose him in a trade package later on.

I think it'll depend on how big of an impact Edwards can have now and what's available.

Edit: I agree we should look to keep him as a long-term piece. Even if Embiid breaks down, you have another franchise player to build around.

[Sixerscan]

If Ben felt alienated and the team made no attempts to rectify the situation, why would he feel comfortable returning to an environment where he clearly is not wanted?

It's become common belief that Ben simply just doesn't care about basketball or the Philadelphia 76ers. Revisit his interview after Game 7. He is obviously very upset and takes accountability multiple times. He admits he played bad, he admits he wasn't good enough and he says it over and over again.

It's not like Ben just woke up one day and said he was done with this franchise, he says he wants to come back. And then comments from his teammate(s) and coach come out and the finger is pointed directly at him. Whether it's deserved or undeserved is another discussion, but from that point, if they valued him like they're pretending they do now they should have made him feel like it. The human factor isn't considered enough. It's fine to be done with Ben. Doc and Embiid are allowed to think he simply isn't good enough and not the guy they need to be world champions, but it's cowardly to spin around and pretend like nothing happened because the burden you helped create hasn't just gone away as quickly as you'd hoped.

What Doc and especially Embiid said was absolutely fine and he's acting like it was offensive because it's easier to blame other people rather than look in the mirror and actually admit it was your fault

He did? What are you ranting about.

He gave lip service to it while also asking reporters how many assists he had and what Trae Young shot.

More importantly, it remains to be seen whether he actually took that failure to heart and fix whatever happened to him in that playoff series so it doesn't happen again. Or if he just thinks Doc didn't use him right or Embiid got in his way.

[stormi]

Don't alienate your coworker and be shocked that they don't want to work with you anymore.

[stormi]

What Doc and especially Embiid said was absolutely fine and he's acting like it was offensive because it's easier to blame other people rather than look in the mirror and actually admit it was your fault

He did? What are you ranting about.

He gave lip service to it while also asking reporters how many assists he had and what Trae Young shot.

Quote was pulled out of context, he apologizes multiple times and puts the blame solely on himself. Not returning to Philadelphia was never on his mind until he was thrown directly under the bus.

[76ciology]

[stormi]

He sure plays a lot of basketball for someone who hates it.

[KramerDSP]

It’s odd to me to see Gupta be the desperate one who is going “all-in.” He was the mastermind of the Kings trade, taking advantage of Divac’s desperation to get cap relief. All that for Gudaitis and Mitrovic. To this day, it’s the only trade that ever made me cry (tears of happiness). Gupta’s job is really to satisfy the new owners, not necessarily do the best thing for the franchise. I think the only way they calm KAT down is by saying “look, we’ll trade the kid for Simmons.” Owners are happy. KAT is happy. And Philly fans end up with a super hilarious Anthony Edwards that they will quickly fall in love with in the way that they never fully could with Ben Simmons. Ant will probably drive Embiid crazy at certain points, but I think this is the home run play. And the best part of this? The other teams are going to become more desperate knowing how desperate Minnesota is. I feel like we’re in the best place we have been in for a while during this saga.

[Iverson Armband]

Don't alienate your coworker and be shocked that they don't want to work with you anymore.

Those milk toast comments of frustration were alienation? Lmao only to a loser I guess

[stormi]

Don't alienate your coworker and be shocked that they don't want to work with you anymore.

Those milk toast comments of frustration were alienation? Lmao only to a loser I guess

How can a neckbeard on a forum call a multimillionaire with generational wealth a loser LMFAOOOOO.

[Kobblehead]

Don't alienate your coworker and be shocked that they don't want to work with you anymore.

Or maybe we should just avoid cowards that don't have what it takes to be great. That way, we won't be stuck in precarious situations like this in the future. Should have taken Ingram or Murray back in 2016. Our bad.

[stormi]

Don't alienate your coworker and be shocked that they don't want to work with you anymore.

Or maybe we should just avoid cowards that don't have what it takes to be great. That way, we won't be stuck in precarious situations like this in the future. Should have taken Ingram or Murray back in 2016. Our bad.

It's fine to be done with Ben. Doc and Embiid are allowed to think he simply isn't good enough and not the guy they need to be world champions, but it's cowardly to spin around and pretend like everything is cool because the burden you helped create hasn't gone away as quickly as you'd have liked.

[Iverson Armband]

Don't alienate your coworker and be shocked that they don't want to work with you anymore.

Those milk toast comments of frustration were alienation? Lmao only to a loser I guess

How can a neckbeard on a forum call a multimillionaire with generational wealth a loser LMFAOOOOO.

Pot.. meet kettle

Also, my wife loves my beard

[Negrodamus]

https://streamable.com/m40lze

Yikes man, doesn't want to face the fans. It's best we move on, he's not a championship point guard.

[Sportfan73]

It’s odd to me to see Gupta be the desperate one who is going “all-in.” He was the mastermind of the Kings trade, taking advantage of Divac’s desperation to get cap relief. All that for Gudaitis and Mitrovic. To this day, it’s the only trade that ever made me cry (tears of happiness). Gupta’s job is really to satisfy the new owners, not necessarily do the best thing for the franchise. I think the only way they calm KAT down is by saying “look, we’ll trade the kid for Simmons.” Owners are happy. KAT is happy. And Philly fans end up with a super hilarious Anthony Edwards that they will quickly fall in love with in the way that they never fully could with Ben Simmons. Ant will probably drive Embiid crazy at certain points, but I think this is the home run play. And the best part of this? The other teams are going to become more desperate knowing how desperate Minnesota is. I feel like we’re in the best place we have been in for a while during this saga.

I do completely agree that IF ant gets put on the table it changes the entire landscape of what other teams are offering

[Sixerscan]

He did? What are you ranting about.

He gave lip service to it while also asking reporters how many assists he had and what Trae Young shot.

Quote was pulled out of context, he apologizes multiple times and puts the blame solely on himself. Not returning to Philadelphia was never on his mind until he was thrown directly under the bus.

I've seen it. I've also seen what Embiid said and I don't get how a normal human being could be alienated by it. Like he just listed a bunch of plays in a series including a turnover or missed shot that Embiid himself had.

Even Doc's thing, the idea that someone has to be stone cold certain that you are a championship point guard 30 minutes after you just didn't play offense for a week straight in a playoff series for you not to be alienated by them is ridiculous. It's just clear he wants to live in a bubble and he's looking for reasons to find somewhere where people won't challenge him at all.

Alternatively, him using that as a cover for what Windhorst said (that's he's sick of the fans) actually makes a lot more sense than this. Somewhere like Minny could be a great fit for what he wants. But again this just goes back to him blaming other people rather than actually addressing the thing that is causing his coach, teammates and fans to doubt him. Until he does that this is going to keep coming up for him.

[ProcessDoctor]

I think the most overlooked aspect from Minny's perspective is how desperate they must be to make the playoffs after years of preaching about their future. Simmons is one of the best floor raisers in the league and would help them win now. DLO and KAT would both look better with him IMO.

DLO/Beverley
Beasley/Milton
McDaniels/Okogie
Simmons/Vanderbilt
KAT/Reid