The Tomjas Thread

[sixers hoops]

I don’t think Shams report is significant, but it doesn’t indicate both sides are liking in for a long battle. I was on record as saying I would take the best offer on the table in July because I didn’t like the odds of a long stalemate playing out in a better trade offer. However, I think Morey is very smart and calculated, so I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

If Morey and ownership are committed to seeing this plan through, it could still work, but it doesn’t look good. Embiid not getting surgery and Tobias getting covid, just puts more focus on our lack of depth, and a long losing streak could put pressure on Morey. I don’t think Ben has gained any leverage, but I think the Sixers struggling will put some more heat on Morey, as he might have to start fining Ben again. Morey and ownership might not care though and take each step in stride.

I just don’t see that either side has really blinked yet, since Ben reported to gain more leverage by officially taking a mental health leave. This could play out for a while, and Tobias and Joel being periodically unavailable is tough for the Sixers. And you really have to give Ben a month of mental health treatment before expecting him to play. Mental illness generally takes a few weeks of therapy, and medicine, just to be functional.

Morey was prepared for a long battle, and we are six weeks in, with little progress. I think a key point will be when the independent psychologist releases evaluation results to the league. That will give Ben a determination to return or continue receiving treatment. Either way, I don’t see his long game. I think the Sixers are in this for the long run. If Ben sits a whole season, it wouldn’t be good for his brand. He could prob work out an arrangement where he plays 20 games or so, then if they don’t trade him, he seeks mental health treatment. It would seem to be his quickest route to a new team.

Simmons brand?

That’s the biggest load of nonsense

The guy doesn’t care about marketing at all

I feel like he cares about all-star teams and all-defensive teams being attached to his resume, and missing a large chunk of the season will cost him that. Maybe instead of brand, something like legacy or resume would have been more appropriate.

[Tomjas]

I don’t think Shams report is significant, but it doesn’t indicate both sides are liking in for a long battle. I was on record as saying I would take the best offer on the table in July because I didn’t like the odds of a long stalemate playing out in a better trade offer. However, I think Morey is very smart and calculated, so I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

If Morey and ownership are committed to seeing this plan through, it could still work, but it doesn’t look good. Embiid not getting surgery and Tobias getting covid, just puts more focus on our lack of depth, and a long losing streak could put pressure on Morey. I don’t think Ben has gained any leverage, but I think the Sixers struggling will put some more heat on Morey, as he might have to start fining Ben again. Morey and ownership might not care though and take each step in stride.

I just don’t see that either side has really blinked yet, since Ben reported to gain more leverage by officially taking a mental health leave. This could play out for a while, and Tobias and Joel being periodically unavailable is tough for the Sixers. And you really have to give Ben a month of mental health treatment before expecting him to play. Mental illness generally takes a few weeks of therapy, and medicine, just to be functional.

Morey was prepared for a long battle, and we are six weeks in, with little progress. I think a key point will be when the independent psychologist releases evaluation results to the league. That will give Ben a determination to return or continue receiving treatment. Either way, I don’t see his long game. I think the Sixers are in this for the long run. If Ben sits a whole season, it wouldn’t be good for his brand. He could prob work out an arrangement where he plays 20 games or so, then if they don’t trade him, he seeks mental health treatment. It would seem to be his quickest route to a new team.

Simmons brand?

That’s the biggest load of nonsense

The guy doesn’t care about marketing at all

I feel like he cares about all-star teams and all-defensive teams being attached to his resume, and missing a large chunk of the season will cost him that. Maybe instead of brand, something like legacy or resume would have been more appropriate.

Obviously the last thing on his mind

[mjkvol]

I'm willing to trust Morey's judgment on this, and just hope that ownership doesn't fold when it starts getting hotter. I won't even comment on the 'mental illness' part of this, as none of us really know what is going on behind the scenes, but it will be very interesting watching the performances of the potential trade targets and their respective teams as we approach the trade deadline.

[Damienfan]

Simmons brand?

That’s the biggest load of nonsense

The guy doesn’t care about marketing at all

I feel like he cares about all-star teams and all-defensive teams being attached to his resume, and missing a large chunk of the season will cost him that. Maybe instead of brand, something like legacy or resume would have been more appropriate.

Obviously the last thing on his mind

$$$$$ Mate

[sixers hoops]

Simmons brand?

That’s the biggest load of nonsense

The guy doesn’t care about marketing at all

I feel like he cares about all-star teams and all-defensive teams being attached to his resume, and missing a large chunk of the season will cost him that. Maybe instead of brand, something like legacy or resume would have been more appropriate.

Obviously the last thing on his mind

I think it’s far from the last thing on his mind. Those things aren’t really being forfeited until he misses in the range of 18+ games or so. I think he knows he can miss a few weeks and still make an all-star team in the East. I don’t believe he would be happy to sit the whole year, even if he could get paid. I think he has some pride in his career and reputation as a basketball player.

I don’t think he would be able to miss the entire season and get paid either way; however, even if he could, I can’t imagine he would be happy with that outcome. Maybe I’m giving him too much credit, but I feel like he prob still has some pride left in his game.

[Tomjas]

Oof

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[Negrodamus]

Oof

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That graph is so good for a potential trade for Fox. I'm excited if we can actually get it done.

[Sixerscan]

I feel like he cares about all-star teams and all-defensive teams being attached to his resume, and missing a large chunk of the season will cost him that. Maybe instead of brand, something like legacy or resume would have been more appropriate.

Obviously the last thing on his mind

I think it’s far from the last thing on his mind. Those things aren’t really being forfeited until he misses in the range of 18+ games or so. I think he knows he can miss a few weeks and still make an all-star team in the East. I don’t believe he would be happy to sit the whole year, even if he could get paid. I think he has some pride in his career and reputation as a basketball player.

I don’t think he would be able to miss the entire season and get paid either way; however, even if he could, I can’t imagine he would be happy with that outcome. Maybe I’m giving him too much credit, but I feel like he prob still has some pride left in his game.

Someone doesn't choke in the playoffs like he did if he didn't care what people think about him. It's the other way, if anything.

[Murray_17]

I still think we should keep an eye on the Celtics.

In normal conditions i don't think we could get someone like Brown for Simmons, but if the Griffin stuff and the Woj reports are true i think they're gonna be pressured to make a trade not just to save the season but to clean up the locker room situation all together

[DCasey91]

I’m all in Brown . Harris for Barnes and Bagley and we should be right there.

Celtics are stubborn but the setup is perfect for Ben and for Tatum/Horford (whose killing it this year).

Sorry Negrodamus

[SixthStreet]

I mean, a Simmons/Brown swap makes the Celtics much better than they are today. They just think they can fleece us for Simmons by offering a Robert Williams led mystery box of crap.

[DCasey91]

I mean, a Simmons/Brown swap makes the Celtics much better than they are today. They just think they can fleece us for Simmons by offering a Robert Williams led mystery box of crap.

Yeah 100% agree.

How can they not see this setup:

Pritchard
Langford
Tatum
Simmons
Horford

That’s kills what they are putting out there.

For us:

If we swap Harris for Barnes it’s:

Curry
Brown
Green
Barnes
Embiid

Can even play around with it to get the best possible unit going.

[Murray_17]

Brown doesn't solve our PG issues either but that's really a good chip to use in another future trade if we can't get a playmaker. In fact the Celtics need a playmaker as badly as us lol

I don't believe the Celtics want to do it now, but again, i just think Brown and Tatum overlap too much and that team looks like a trainwreck waiting to happen, they're one Horford injury away from being a lottery team

[Negrodamus]

I’m all in Brown . Harris for Barnes and Bagley and we should be right there.

Celtics are stubborn but the setup is perfect for Ben and for Tatum/Horford (whose killing it this year).

Sorry Negrodamus

I'm not stopping you from liking that trade. However I would also like Durant to be on the Sixers, I just know it's simply not happening.

Unless we forfeit our future and other pieces, we're not getting a Ben for Brown trade. They will ask way too much.

[DCasey91]

I’m all in Brown . Harris for Barnes and Bagley and we should be right there.

Celtics are stubborn but the setup is perfect for Ben and for Tatum/Horford (whose killing it this year).

Sorry Negrodamus

I'm not stopping you from liking that trade. However I would also like Durant to be on the Sixers, I just know it's simply not happening.

Unless we forfeit our future and other pieces, we're not getting a Ben for Brown trade. They will ask way too much.

I agree but the Celtics are dooming themselves thinking that the duo can coexist. So it’s probably all for nought.

At the beginning of the season I thought it was fantasy and still might be but as long as their’s a chance not matter how small the FO should do it’s due diligence and ask.

I know keeping picks can come in handy but over the next 3 seasons I reckon it’s do or die. Embiid’s a like once in a decade type of player for a club to get. The future rests on him and the organization.

[TheBallsDeeper]

No way Simmons agrees to be traded to Boston, he will threaten to sit out there also. Their fans will be the same as the Philly fans and he will sook it up at the prospect of being booed.

He really wants to go to a team like Kings, Pelicans or Hornets where their fans don't really expect much.

[BoogieTime]

Oof

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Well, the Kings wouldnt trade him if he was balling, would they? The Sixers might have to take a chance somewhere (if Fox were offered).

I still think the trade will be with the Spurs. Murray has looked better.

[Murray_17]

I still think the trade will be with the Spurs. Murray has looked better.

Murray is scoring 18 pts on 17 FGA, that's just horrific.

He's just a volume scorer in a bad team

[Tomjas]

I still think the trade will be with the Spurs. Murray has looked better.

Murray is scoring 18 pts on 17 FGA, that's just horrific.

He's just a volume scorer in a bad team

It’s better than Dame who is scoring 18 on 18

[76ciology]

I still think the trade will be with the Spurs. Murray has looked better.

Murray is scoring 18 pts on 17 FGA, that's just horrific.

He's just a volume scorer in a bad team

It’s better than Dame who is scoring 18 on 18

But dejounte has always been bad