Around the League: 2022-23 Season 3.0

[mjkvol]

I’ll declare it for him, Lebron is the GOAT.

Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. I'll be the outlier here.

I can't help but wonder what his career would have been playing in the '80's and '90's, when traveling was called, you were punished any time you entered the paint, and arranging 'super teams' wasn't done by players in hotel rooms.

Greatest physical specimen to ever play? Quite possibly. But the two GOATS are still Wilt and Jordan.

[76ciology]

Well Antoine Walker, notable assist generator, was a career 18 AST%.

It's so funny that you're using these three games where his usage is 40+% as an indicator of his passing ability. Yes, he's going to generate assists because he literally can't shoot the ball every time on offense and no one else is really a threat to generate offense themselves.

And i dont really have to prove anything. The stats speaks for it self. 3.7 apg on 22.4 ast%

Just go to GB and all around social media, everyone is appreciating his talent

There’s no way but up for the kid.

Moving this convo here. The thing that annoys me about the Cam Thomas stuff is that he’s at the center of the “hooper vs basketball player” conversation. Cam is a hooper born to score a basketball and is starting to get the Kyrie treatment a bit. Super talented and fun to watch. But ultimately, is he a winning player?

I doubt he can ever carry the mantle for a team but maybe he can pair up with a true top talent like Kyrie did with Lebron. His best destination is probably Milwaukee to give Giannis an iso scorer for the back half of his career.

Ok thanks for moving it here.


The basic offense in this league is to run some variation of a 2 man game, then dump it to the go to guy when denied.

No, you can’t win with Tatum or Booker if you dont play the Suns or Celts system. And I can say the same thing about Cam.

I think he would be perfect for a team like the Hornets or the Pacers, where you have LaMelo or Hali that would run your two man game while both guys are not good enough to carry your scoring. Then when the action is denied, you drop it to Cam to bail you out. While you have Myles Turner and Mark Williams to anchor your defense.

You can also play Cam on a Celts or Jazz type system where you have multiple scorers who can dribble drive then you have Markanen or Tatum to bail you out.

No, he’s not like someone like Luka who you can just give the ball and run your offense like what’s happening right now. And aside from Luka, who else can play this way? Even Morant or Steph needs someone like Bane or Klay.

…and even Luka was demanding some help and now he agreed to having Kyrie, who sort of plays like Cam with heavy iso and low ast numbers

[Murray_17]

I’ll declare it for him, Lebron is the GOAT.

Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. I'll be the outlier here.

I can't help but wonder what his career would have been playing in the '80's and '90's, when traveling was called, you were punished any time you entered the paint, and arranging 'super teams' wasn't done by players in hotel rooms.

Greatest physical specimen to ever play? Quite possibly. But the two GOATS are still Wilt and Jordan.

The 80's had a similar inflation on scoring than today and teams played even faster, all the champions had a combination of 2 or even 3 top 15 guys. Hell the Celtics at some point had Walton as a 6th man

[Negrodamus]

I’ll declare it for him, Lebron is the GOAT.

Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. I'll be the outlier here.

I can't help but wonder what his career would have been playing in the '80's and '90's, when traveling was called, you were punished any time you entered the paint, and arranging 'super teams' wasn't done by players in hotel rooms.

Greatest physical specimen to ever play? Quite possibly. But the two GOATS are still Wilt and Jordan.

He probably would have played similar to the times just like Jordan would have likely shot more threes if he played the game today.

[Jailblazers7]

I’ll declare it for him, Lebron is the GOAT.

Needless to say, I couldn't disagree more. I'll be the outlier here.

I can't help but wonder what his career would have been playing in the '80's and '90's, when traveling was called, you were punished any time you entered the paint, and arranging 'super teams' wasn't done by players in hotel rooms.

Greatest physical specimen to ever play? Quite possibly. But the two GOATS are still Wilt and Jordan.

I think it’s safe to say the greatest physical specimen to ever play would do fine in a more physical time period. But yeah, GOAT conversations have been beaten to death and are ultimately pointless. Russell, Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, and LeBron have all earned the right to be in that convo.

[Mik317]

Bron is great but its hard to place him as the GOAT when he may not even be the most impactful player of his own era thanks to Steph, who beat him 3 times and changed the game with the whole spacing and shooting from stupid deep. The bubble title gets more fraudulent every year. And the heatles run while still great still feels like a let down if you really think about it.

Jordan ran the 90's
Bird/Magic ran the 80's
Shaq and Timmy ran the 00's

BUT Bron living up to the hype and still being great at 38 is nuts and passing Kareem is a massive achievement longevity or not.

[Jailblazers7]

Bron is great but its hard to place him as the GOAT when he may not even be the most impactful player of his own era thanks to Steph, who beat him 3 times and changed the game with the whole spacing and shooting from stupid deep. The bubble title gets more fraudulent every year. And the heatles run while still great still feels like a let down if you really think about it.

Jordan ran the 90's
Bird/Magic ran the 80's
Shaq and Timmy ran the 00's

BUT Bron living up to the hype and still being great at 38 is nuts and passing Kareem is a massive achievement longevity or not.

Steph changed the game but LeBron was the better player the whole time imo. If you look at Jordan’s impact on the game, it was probably negative because he inspire a generation of ball hogs who were way worse than him lol. Steph beat him once without KD and his one win came when LeBron had to play without his 2 best teammates.

LeBron owned the 2010s. Either he won the title or you had to beat him to get it. He was the final boss of the NBA for 10 years.

And I generally avoid nitpicking titles because you can do that for basically all of them. Jordan won his titles during an era of massive expansion which diluted the league. Are his titles equal to LeBron’s playing in a hyper competitive league with stack teams like the Spurs or Warriors?

[ProcessDoctor]

Windy saying the Nets are more open to trading Durant now than they were this summer.

[Jailblazers7]

The Grizzlies should go all in on a KD trade. Ja + Jaren + KD is championship team.

[Wilfried]

LeBron did it. Dude is a freak.

I don't think this record is gonna be broke again unless a top 3-4 guy plays like 20 seasons at that level.

Keep in mind, Kareem passed Wilt in 84 to get the record and now Dirk, Jordan, Kobe, Malone and Lebron have pass Kareem too, that's how much distance Kareem put over the rest of the scorers. Lebron also has played less minutes in his career than Malone and Kareem, he's easily gonna end his career with 40,000+ points.

I don't know, i really don't see a guy breaking this again.

Luka is the only player with a realistic chance but no way his body holds up like Lebron’s has.

Only thing I know for sure, it ain't Ben Simmons that will break it

[Wilfried]

Windy saying the Nets are more open to trading Durant now than they were this summer.

Are we talking about the Deal Zone than?

[Embiid P]

The Grizzlies should go all in on a KD trade. Ja + Jaren + KD is championship team.

I'd be ok with that. Just hope they move him out west and far as away from Boston as possible.

[mjkvol]

And I generally avoid nitpicking titles because you can do that for basically all of them. Jordan won his titles during an era of massive expansion which diluted the league. Are his titles equal to LeBron’s playing in a hyper competitive league with stack teams like the Spurs or Warriors?

Hyper competitive? When James was with the Cavs and Heat, the Eastern Conference was a joke for the majority of time he was there. Some seasons they had practically a free ride to the Finals. It wasn't until the Celtics became good again, Giannis blossomed, The Process produced at least solid teams, and Kawhi spent a season in Toronto that the East was a tough conference to get through. When he got to the Finals is where he ran into real competition, thus his 3-6 record (I don't count the bubble).

[mjkvol]

Bron is great but its hard to place him as the GOAT when he may not even be the most impactful player of his own era thanks to Steph, who beat him 3 times and changed the game with the whole spacing and shooting from stupid deep. The bubble title gets more fraudulent every year. And the heatles run while still great still feels like a let down if you really think about it.

Jordan ran the 90's
Bird/Magic ran the 80's
Shaq and Timmy ran the 00's

BUT Bron living up to the hype and still being great at 38 is nuts and passing Kareem is a massive achievement longevity or not.

As usual, a right on the money post.

[Stanford]

Bron is great but its hard to place him as the GOAT when he may not even be the most impactful player of his own era thanks to Steph, who beat him 3 times and changed the game with the whole spacing and shooting from stupid deep. The bubble title gets more fraudulent every year. And the heatles run while still great still feels like a let down if you really think about it.

Jordan ran the 90's
Bird/Magic ran the 80's
Shaq and Timmy ran the 00's

BUT Bron living up to the hype and still being great at 38 is nuts and passing Kareem is a massive achievement longevity or not.

As usual, a right on the money post.

Kiss ass

[Arsenal]

LeBron has one ring. Laughable to call him the goat.

[Jailblazers7]

Wow, 538 bumped the Mavs up to 3rd for championship odds after the Kyrie trade. Their model is so weird.

[Kobblehead]

LeBron has one ring. Laughable to call him the goat.

I took that ring away from him. While the Cavs are technically his drafted team, he re-joined them as a mercenary.

So LeBron has won zero rings as a franchise player by my super official record book that I keep in my head.

[Arsenal]

LeBron has one ring. Laughable to call him the goat.

I took that ring away from him. While the Cavs are technically his drafted team, he re-joined them as a mercenary.

So LeBron has won zero rings as a franchise player by my super official record book that I keep in my head.

Yeah it's either 1 or 0. I give him credit for Cleveland but yes, he did rejoin as a mercenary.

And nobody respects a mercenary.

[Kobblehead]

Bron is great but its hard to place him as the GOAT when he may not even be the most impactful player of his own era thanks to Steph, who beat him 3 times and changed the game with the whole spacing and shooting from stupid deep. The bubble title gets more fraudulent every year. And the heatles run while still great still feels like a let down if you really think about it.

Jordan ran the 90's
Bird/Magic ran the 80's
Shaq and Timmy ran the 00's

BUT Bron living up to the hype and still being great at 38 is nuts and passing Kareem is a massive achievement longevity or not.

Yup and Steph ran the 2010s.

LeBron is the most talented specimen, but he's just an name in Steph's paragraph when people will discuss the true goats.