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[Sixersftw]

He is a slightly better fitting piece but he so oft injured I really wouldn't make a play for him. Particularly if we have to kick in anything.

[Skates]

Martin is like Iggy, a great fit on an established team, but doesn't do much on a young and building team. Better scorer and shooter, poorer rebounder and defensive player.

I'd actually prefer Ellis over Martin, even though I have concerns about Ellis. He is a more dynamic shotmaker and scorer, more of a chance of catching lightning in a bottle with him than Martin, more likely to put fans in the seats as well.

My preference is to go young like in a deal with Minnesota and see where we end up.

[Sixersftw]

Thats why I'm hoping new ownership cleans house. The fact they want a veteran for iguodala disgusts. You can hope its a smokescreen bug Vucevic sure wasn't. You have to be Heat or acquire young assets to succeed in this league. nothing in the middle seems to work.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I personally love the Lavoy Allen pick at 50. I had a feeling they were going to take him and they did. I think he can give more on the defensive end than Speights or Hawes. I also think he's a better rebounder than both of them. If he can keep a high motor he will have a nice career.

[ZarcMumoff]

I have a feeling we trade Iggy for Monta, but I'm hoping we go all young.

[sixerfan1976]

yeah my thoughts...they wanted to get bigger..and they did.......two pieces that can help you in the not too distance future. they need to move iguodala and speights...we all know that......i think we are just impatient......waiting for that to happen and knowing if its not before the lockout...it could be a long time before we get closure. But our impatience wont stand for that:) mine neither......i think the team can get up near 50 wins tho if we find a bonafide scorer in an Iguodala trade

[sixerfan1976]

thorn said teams are hesitant to make deals before the new cba during the draft pick presser today and Stefanski on radio today said they probably wont do anything before the lockout either....so i am afraid it may be a long wait. would love to see something happen before then. GSW drafting the hofstra guard and Klay last night makes it seems like they will move him for sure.

[ChuckS]

Assuming there is only a short lockout (big assumption) this is the time to fully commit to the youth movement. if we trade igudoala for youth and 1-2 guys step up and we get back to the playoffs on the strength of our youth, thats great. If we bomb out, again, and suck the upcoming draft is historic and the following draft is the Andre Drummond draft.

Forgive me. I do not mean to be obnoxious. It is just so ingrained. But for days I have heard of "Band-Aid approaches", deferring to veterans, retooling instead of rebuilding, and a failure to commit to a youth movement.

Am I crazier than usual? (Please do not answer - rhetorical). I, again, double checked our roster. We are currently committed to twelve players for next season. Would anyone believe that nine are 23 years old or younger? One of the three remaining is supposedly on his way out, to much excitement, and another hardly played and will surely be gone sometime next year (if not sooner).

I know I am not the sharpest pencil in the box, but what the (^@% is this if not a youth movement? And I suggest that it is not a band-aid approach but major surgery. I, personally, believe we have indeed rebuilt. Unfortunately, like in the "Tale of the Three Pigs", I see the house that Ed built as made of straw.

I do not know how good this Drummond kid is, but I sincerely believe that we would struggle even more than we have, with the second coming of Wilt Chamberlain.

I respect Rod Thorn, and believe he can turn this around. But if he believes it will be done with a few more nineteen year old mediocrities, it may be too painful for me to watch.

"You" (collective) told me Boston would age and we would be ready to pounce. This year I was promised that we would be ready after Miami's run. I'm too old to wait for those kids on the Bulls to collect social security (if it's still there).

Now I understand when they say that this is a young man's game.

[Bring Back 1983]

One word to everyone about the OKC model of rebuilding. It was not successful because they got a number of good young players and allowed them to grow together. It was successful because they happened to get two ELITE players who would grow together. The NBA history of the last 30 years is littered with teams who tried to do failed youth movements (the Bulls in the post-MJ era is an epic example). At some point, if you are able to leverage for top talent at a skill set, such as scoring, you do it.

As stated earlier (and no you're not crazy), we have already started a full-fledged youth movement. But if our fan base is in favor of hinging our hopes on what Jared Sullinger, Terrance Jones or Austin Rivers can do for us in the 2012-13 season and beyond, this is going to be an interesting crapshoot. Let's be aggressive and take some risk (and a bit of money if necessary), to get someone who fills a need.

[Sixersftw]

When I said "fully commit" I meant with any futures move, particularly an Iguodala trade. It goes from a youth movement, which it is at the moment, to a WTF? if Iguodala is moved for a veteran as they have so often stated.

[ZarcMumoff]

See, but 19 year old will help because we get closer, one way or another, to a title. If we are a totally young team and win, then we have a great future ahead. If we are a young team and bad, we get early lottery picks which means we could find that elite player that every team strives for. It's just the point that fighting it out for the 5th and 6th seeds just don't get you anywhere...it's like a treadmill where you can run, run, and run but at the end of the day you aren't going anywhere.

So go with our youth...Jrue and Turner. See what they can do when they don't have an Iggy running the offense. A Monta Ellis who they would also run the offense through. Maybe Turner and Jrue can both average 15-17 a game next year, which would be an awesome step for both. But how will we ever find out if we don't give them the chance? Trade for a Wesley Johnson..a guy who is a pretty good three point shooter who can play off the ball and is a good defender. Then in next years draft you can get a PF (and there are quite a few of them)...and before you know it you have a team that will legit compete in 3-5 years...when the Heats and other teams like that start to fall off.

It's just the nature of the NBA. You just need to be lucky enough to find the right pieces.

[phillyborn79]

Via Kate Fagan

Doug Collins will be meeting with all his players before the potential lockout, which could occur beginning 12:01 a.m. on July 1 if the players and owners don't finalize a new collective bargaining agreement.

There is better chance at this point that Rod Thorn will offer this reporter a tryout than then there is of things getting settled on time.

If a lockout occurs, Collins and any member of the organization is unable to have any contact with the players.

And speaking of players, what are the chances that Andre Iguodala will be a Sixer next season?

Who knows, but Collins says he has texted Iguodala and the two plan to meet next week when he's in Los Angeles. Collins will be with with others out on the West Coast, including Elton Brand and Jrue Holiday.

The coach insists he wants Iguodala to return, even though Iguodala didn't exactly embrace the idea when asked following the Game 5 playoff loss to Miami. Still, Collins' public stance is that the team is better with Iguodala. So he is looking forward to a sit-down.

"We want Dre," Collins said after the press conference on Friday for draft choices Nikola Vucevic and Levoy Allen at PCOM. "We want him back. He got nicked up last year and was hurt and we think Dre is one of the reasons we are a good defensive team."

Collins will tell Iguodala that all the pre-draft trade rumors didn't come from under the Sixers bunker.

"Nobody is out there shopping Dre," Collins said.

Of course the Sixers aren't exactly hanging up the phone when teams call to inquire about his availability.

While Collins, Rod Thorn or anybody in the organization would not admit it, the Sixers likely wouldn't be averse to dealing Iguodala. The problem is getting equal value.

We know the tired argument that Iguodala isn't truly a first or even a second offensive option.

No kidding.

Yet Collins and people around the league realize that Iguodala brings a lot of talent to the court, both offensively and especially defensively. No he isn't the best shooter and should try to avoid taking three's at most costs, but he is an adept passer. And the one thing Iguodala should do is drive to the basket more instead of pulling up and settling for J's.

He has value, even with a bloated contract. So the Sixers at least at this point, don't want to accept 60 cents back for a dollar.

This entire situation could be settled if Iguodala came out and declared "I want to be a Sixer, no doubt about it."

We haven't heard that yet and more importantly neither has the team. So in place of a declaration of love for being on the Sixers, we will continue to hear the rumors.

The fact that the coach is going to the West Coast to talk to Iguodala appears to be the Sixers way of telling him how much they think of him.

It is expected to be the last meeting between Collins and Iguodala before the lockout. The big question is whether it will be the last time the two meet when they are both employed by the same team.

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I hope nobody tries to harm themselves.

[Sixerlover]

See, but 19 year old will help because we get closer, one way or another, to a title. If we are a totally young team and win, then we have a great future ahead. If we are a young team and bad, we get early lottery picks which means we could find that elite player that every team strives for. It's just the point that fighting it out for the 5th and 6th seeds just don't get you anywhere...it's like a treadmill where you can run, run, and run but at the end of the day you aren't going anywhere.

So go with our youth...Jrue and Turner. See what they can do when they don't have an Iggy running the offense. A Monta Ellis who they would also run the offense through. Maybe Turner and Jrue can both average 15-17 a game next year, which would be an awesome step for both. But how will we ever find out if we don't give them the chance? Trade for a Wesley Johnson..a guy who is a pretty good three point shooter who can play off the ball and is a good defender. Then in next years draft you can get a PF (and there are quite a few of them)...and before you know it you have a team that will legit compete in 3-5 years...when the Heats and other teams like that start to fall off.

It's just the nature of the NBA. You just need to be lucky enough to find the right pieces.

I hate to say it because I love Jrue but if you are building on Jrue and Turner the ceiling for the team is the Atlanta Hawks. Remember before we all made them the face of mediocrity, they had oodles of young talent when Josh Smith was 21, Horford was 22?, Marvin Williams was 20, Childress was young, and Joe Johnson was in his mid 20's. They spent years in the lottery putting that team together, and now they're the mediocre team who's ceiling is the 2nd round. Baskeball hell. Not every youth movement is a positive one. Ask the T-Wolves about that too

The superstar is the epicenter of a "youth movement". No superstar, young superstar at that, and your youth movement will either lead you down the path to your left which is the Atlanta Hawks current situation, OR to your right which is the Minnesota Timberwolves situation. The superstar is essential. I love Jrue, but lets not call rebuilding around him a youth movement that will end in multiple title contending years.

[The Sixer Fixer]

sixerfan...

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[agiaco]

I wonder which journeyman big we will get this year

[tgo2223]

See, but 19 year old will help because we get closer, one way or another, to a title. If we are a totally young team and win, then we have a great future ahead. If we are a young team and bad, we get early lottery picks which means we could find that elite player that every team strives for. It's just the point that fighting it out for the 5th and 6th seeds just don't get you anywhere...it's like a treadmill where you can run, run, and run but at the end of the day you aren't going anywhere.

So go with our youth...Jrue and Turner. See what they can do when they don't have an Iggy running the offense. A Monta Ellis who they would also run the offense through. Maybe Turner and Jrue can both average 15-17 a game next year, which would be an awesome step for both. But how will we ever find out if we don't give them the chance? Trade for a Wesley Johnson..a guy who is a pretty good three point shooter who can play off the ball and is a good defender. Then in next years draft you can get a PF (and there are quite a few of them)...and before you know it you have a team that will legit compete in 3-5 years...when the Heats and other teams like that start to fall off.

It's just the nature of the NBA. You just need to be lucky enough to find the right pieces.

I agree 100% TRADE IGGY. Hes just in the way at this point

[Lefraud James]

I say trade Turner. I really do not believe he will reach Iggys level. Turner right now has the highest value and teams probably will be willing to take a chance on him. Maybe a #2 for #2? Kahn was high on Turner and that's the player they are in need of.

Future starting 5
C- Nikola Vucevic - Capable of spreading the floor.
PF- Derrick Williams - Capable of spreading the floor.
SF- Thad Young - Fits in the lineup with two bigs that can spread the floor.
SG- Iguodala
PG- Holiday

[ZarcMumoff]

See, but 19 year old will help because we get closer, one way or another, to a title. If we are a totally young team and win, then we have a great future ahead. If we are a young team and bad, we get early lottery picks which means we could find that elite player that every team strives for. It's just the point that fighting it out for the 5th and 6th seeds just don't get you anywhere...it's like a treadmill where you can run, run, and run but at the end of the day you aren't going anywhere.

So go with our youth...Jrue and Turner. See what they can do when they don't have an Iggy running the offense. A Monta Ellis who they would also run the offense through. Maybe Turner and Jrue can both average 15-17 a game next year, which would be an awesome step for both. But how will we ever find out if we don't give them the chance? Trade for a Wesley Johnson..a guy who is a pretty good three point shooter who can play off the ball and is a good defender. Then in next years draft you can get a PF (and there are quite a few of them)...and before you know it you have a team that will legit compete in 3-5 years...when the Heats and other teams like that start to fall off.

It's just the nature of the NBA. You just need to be lucky enough to find the right pieces.

I hate to say it because I love Jrue but if you are building on Jrue and Turner the ceiling for the team is the Atlanta Hawks. Remember before we all made them the face of mediocrity, they had oodles of young talent when Josh Smith was 21, Horford was 22?, Marvin Williams was 20, Childress was young, and Joe Johnson was in his mid 20's. They spent years in the lottery putting that team together, and now they're the mediocre team who's ceiling is the 2nd round. Baskeball hell. Not every youth movement is a positive one. Ask the T-Wolves about that too

The superstar is the epicenter of a "youth movement". No superstar, young superstar at that, and your youth movement will either lead you down the path to your left which is the Atlanta Hawks current situation, OR to your right which is the Minnesota Timberwolves situation. The superstar is essential. I love Jrue, but lets not call rebuilding around him a youth movement that will end in multiple title contending years.

So your point is we need a superstar?

Kate Fagan, is that you?

What would you do? You don't want to trade Iggy AND you don't want to try to build around our 21 year old PG and our #2 from last year. So what exactly is your plan?

[Sixerlover]

See, but 19 year old will help because we get closer, one way or another, to a title. If we are a totally young team and win, then we have a great future ahead. If we are a young team and bad, we get early lottery picks which means we could find that elite player that every team strives for. It's just the point that fighting it out for the 5th and 6th seeds just don't get you anywhere...it's like a treadmill where you can run, run, and run but at the end of the day you aren't going anywhere.

So go with our youth...Jrue and Turner. See what they can do when they don't have an Iggy running the offense. A Monta Ellis who they would also run the offense through. Maybe Turner and Jrue can both average 15-17 a game next year, which would be an awesome step for both. But how will we ever find out if we don't give them the chance? Trade for a Wesley Johnson..a guy who is a pretty good three point shooter who can play off the ball and is a good defender. Then in next years draft you can get a PF (and there are quite a few of them)...and before you know it you have a team that will legit compete in 3-5 years...when the Heats and other teams like that start to fall off.

It's just the nature of the NBA. You just need to be lucky enough to find the right pieces.

I hate to say it because I love Jrue but if you are building on Jrue and Turner the ceiling for the team is the Atlanta Hawks. Remember before we all made them the face of mediocrity, they had oodles of young talent when Josh Smith was 21, Horford was 22?, Marvin Williams was 20, Childress was young, and Joe Johnson was in his mid 20's. They spent years in the lottery putting that team together, and now they're the mediocre team who's ceiling is the 2nd round. Baskeball hell. Not every youth movement is a positive one. Ask the T-Wolves about that too

The superstar is the epicenter of a "youth movement". No superstar, young superstar at that, and your youth movement will either lead you down the path to your left which is the Atlanta Hawks current situation, OR to your right which is the Minnesota Timberwolves situation. The superstar is essential. I love Jrue, but lets not call rebuilding around him a youth movement that will end in multiple title contending years.

So your point is we need a superstar?

Kate Fagan, is that you?

What would you do? You don't want to trade Iggy AND you don't want to try to build around our 21 year old PG and our #2 from last year. So what exactly is your plan?

Me? I'd sell the farm for CP3 yesterday, but that's not my point.

My point is, don't fall into the line of thinking building around Jrue and E.T = eventual championship, I already hate seeing the new wave that most of my Sixers friends at home are on. "The team should have been Jrue's 2 years ago! Iguodala's the only thing holding Turner back from All Star! Best back court in the league!" etc etc It's just going to eventually lead to overrating Jrue and ET (who will be very good players, just not title type players) and then once we don't win it's get rid of them ASAP.

[Johnny Broad-Street]

Wow..this is an enormous amount of fairly erroneous speculation here.