Sixers, Cavs, Wolves.

[SJSF]

Minn needs a PF. Bennett wont work for a love replacement.

[76thBearCub]

How big of a disaster will this trade go down as if Wiggins becomes an excellent player and Cavs don't quite put it together because of chemistry issues and Love bolts at the end of next year.

I feel like people are ignoring this possibility. This might be because the chances of Love leaving are pretty low even if they don't quite put it together next year because their team is so young, but still would be nice to see somebody give the Lebron treatment back to Lebron.

I'm glad they're making this trade. It opens they're championship window sooner. But just imagine if all the young talent took off in a few years. Could have been looking at like a decade of excellence.

[51X3RF4N]

One thing to consider here....

Is it not possible that Hinkie actually DOES NOT like Bennett?? Everyone on here is assuming Hinkie wants Bennett, or values him more than Thad. Maybe Hinkie simply was a listening ear to the deal and was trying to fleece either team of future draft picks in exchange for giving up cap space, but had no initial intention of including Thad in a deal. Then when Minny asked for him, Hinkie was like "Well I guess Bennett might replace Thad, but I'm not all that high on Bennett. So y'all are gonna have to overpay for Thad or else I'm walking away from the table".

Why is that such a bad thing? Why do people assume Hinkie is "failing" just because he isn't making a trade? I think it's clear he likes Thad and wants him to be a part of the team as a vet leader. And Thad's only 25 years old. Yes, he may leave in free agency. Or he may not! Who knows? If teams aren't willing to give up future draft picks in exchange for cap space, how is that Sam Hinkie's fault?

And honestly, if the Sixers don't "use up" their cap space in the most efficient manner, and fail to acquire more future picks, does that mean the entire plan goes to hell or that it was a disaster or failure of a rebuild?

[BullyKing]

One thing to consider here....



If teams aren't willing to give up future draft picks in exchange for cap space, how is that Sam Hinkie's fault?

And honestly, if the Sixers don't "use up" their cap space in the most efficient manner, and fail to acquire more future picks, does that mean the entire plan goes to hell or that it was a disaster or failure of a rebuild?

The thing is, we know teams are/were willing to give up future drafts in exchange for cap space, we just haven't been a part of it. But no, this failure does not make the plan a disaster or a failure but in my view these were still missed opportunities to collect additional assets for basically nothing.

[CoreyGallagher]

Lol, people take these baseless rumors as fact, get their hopes up, and then get angry at Hinkie for the rumors not actually being true...

[MCoster]

Imo a fair deal (that makes sense for Minn too) would be Thad for Miami's 1st, Barea, and Mbah a Moute. But I bet Hinkie is trying to also get Shabazz and/or GR3 and/or another pick as well.

[MRxBLACK]

Lol, people take these baseless rumors as fact, get their hopes up, and then get angry at Hinkie for the rumors not actually being true...

Lol, sounds like the Wiggins rumors or Lin rumors.

[51X3RF4N]

One thing to consider here....



If teams aren't willing to give up future draft picks in exchange for cap space, how is that Sam Hinkie's fault?

And honestly, if the Sixers don't "use up" their cap space in the most efficient manner, and fail to acquire more future picks, does that mean the entire plan goes to hell or that it was a disaster or failure of a rebuild?

The thing is, we know teams are/were willing to give up future drafts in exchange for cap space, we just haven't been a part of it. But no, this failure does not make the plan a disaster or a failure but in my view these were still missed opportunities to collect additional assets for basically nothing.

You mean like Lin to LAL? We weren't a part of it because we weren't willing to PAY for Lin, and LAL did. What other deals were out there that happened so far and weren't just rumors? Which teams gave up any kind of real future draft pick in order to dump salary, where the Sixers had a legit chance at competing in the deal without giving up too much?

[Mik317]

so when Thad is traded for a 2nd rounder...is Hinkie still a god around these parts?

[Eyeamok]

How big of a disaster will this trade go down as if Wiggins becomes an excellent player and Cavs don't quite put it together because of chemistry issues and Love bolts at the end of next year.

I feel like people are ignoring this possibility. This might be because the chances of Love leaving are pretty low even if they don't quite put it together next year because their team is so young, but still would be nice to see somebody give the Lebron treatment back to Lebron.

So what if Wiggins becomes an excellent player. The Cavs have the best player on the planet right now on their team. How long do they wait to get him as much help as possible. A year two years 3 years? The history of the NBA is littered with great players that never won a championship. Wiggins could go on to be all world and never win a championship. But if the Cavs win a championship now then when Wiggins is putting up 40 points a night grabbing 15 rebounds and giving out 12 assists a game. People will gasp and be amazed, but if it all works out for the Cavs fans can say. Remember when we traded that guy Wiggins and won a championship..... yeah man good times good times!!!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Since the 1990's only eight NBA teams have won a championship. Over several decades only 8 teams have won a championship and they play the finals every year. Put another way you take 40 free throws and only make 8 of them. That alone should show you how hard it is to win a championship and why Cleveland has a sense of urgency. You have to strike and strike fast and hard while that window of opportunity is open to you.

[Agnostifarian]

How big of a disaster will this trade go down as if Wiggins becomes an excellent player and Cavs don't quite put it together because of chemistry issues and Love bolts at the end of next year.

I feel like people are ignoring this possibility. This might be because the chances of Love leaving are pretty low even if they don't quite put it together next year because their team is so young, but still would be nice to see somebody give the Lebron treatment back to Lebron.

So what if Wiggins becomes an excellent player. The Cavs have the best player on the planet right now on their team. How long do they wait to get him as much help as possible. A year two years 3 years? The history of the NBA is littered with great players that never won a championship. Wiggins could go on to be all world and never win a championship. But if the Cavs win a championship now then when Wiggins is putting up 40 points a night grabbing 15 rebounds and giving out 12 assists a game. People will gasp and be amazed, but if it all works out for the Cavs fans can say. Remember when we traded that guy Wiggins and won a championship..... yeah man good times good times!!!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Since the 1990's only eight NBA teams have won a championship. Over several decades only 8 teams have won a championship and they play the finals every year. Put another way you take 40 free throws and only make 8 of them. That alone should show you how hard it is to win a championship and why Cleveland has a sense of urgency. You have to strike and strike fast and hard while that window of opportunity is open to you.

What you say is true. CLE's window is now because LBJ's window is now. He can't risk waiting for rookies to make him the GOAT. LBJ/Kyrie/Love with rim protection and good health could get him there. Definitely a fork in the road for CLE though. Worst case for CLE, LBJ opts out and they still have Kyrie/Love and cap room.

What is the next deal we are definitely in?

[BullyKing]

One thing to consider here....



If teams aren't willing to give up future draft picks in exchange for cap space, how is that Sam Hinkie's fault?

And honestly, if the Sixers don't "use up" their cap space in the most efficient manner, and fail to acquire more future picks, does that mean the entire plan goes to hell or that it was a disaster or failure of a rebuild?

The thing is, we know teams are/were willing to give up future drafts in exchange for cap space, we just haven't been a part of it. But no, this failure does not make the plan a disaster or a failure but in my view these were still missed opportunities to collect additional assets for basically nothing.

You mean like Lin to LAL? We weren't a part of it because we weren't willing to PAY for Lin, and LAL did. What other deals were out there that happened so far and weren't just rumors? Which teams gave up any kind of real future draft pick in order to dump salary, where the Sixers had a legit chance at competing in the deal without giving up too much?

CLE/Brooklyn.

[freshie2]

Kudos to the Wolves...I can't remember a team getting more in return when trading away a star. What's the protection on the draft pick?

[ZarcMumoff]

Kudos to the Wolves...I can't remember a team getting more in return when trading away a star. What's the protection on the draft pick?

Just the perfect time and place. Just think 6 months ago this time, who would have thought Kevin Love would be traded to the LeBron James Cleveland Cavaliers for Andrew Wiggins.

[jpatrick]

Kudos to the Wolves...I can't remember a team getting more in return when trading away a star. What's the protection on the draft pick?

Pick is Miami's. It's top 10 protected next two years then unprotected.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Seems Hinkie is the one holding it up, not Minny per reports. If so, I guess he's not that high on Bennett. Otherwise, he'd pull the trigger, as it would help the tank and Thad won't be here next year.

[51X3RF4N]

The thing is, we know teams are/were willing to give up future drafts in exchange for cap space, we just haven't been a part of it. But no, this failure does not make the plan a disaster or a failure but in my view these were still missed opportunities to collect additional assets for basically nothing.

You mean like Lin to LAL? We weren't a part of it because we weren't willing to PAY for Lin, and LAL did. What other deals were out there that happened so far and weren't just rumors? Which teams gave up any kind of real future draft pick in order to dump salary, where the Sixers had a legit chance at competing in the deal without giving up too much?

CLE/Brooklyn.

So 1 deal that has happened so far that the Sixers "missed out on". Any others? Also, I'm not sure the Sixers had a chance at that deal specifically. Just my personal opinion, but I feel like Cleveland and Brookyln just had a better relationship with Boston and that played a part in getting the deal done. Brooklyn and Boston did just pull off a huge trade a few years ago with Ainge and BK I believe working on that together. Could be Ainge calling up saying "remember when I gave you a phenomenal deal to get the big 4 together? Well, it's time to pay up".

[BullyKing]

You mean like Lin to LAL? We weren't a part of it because we weren't willing to PAY for Lin, and LAL did. What other deals were out there that happened so far and weren't just rumors? Which teams gave up any kind of real future draft pick in order to dump salary, where the Sixers had a legit chance at competing in the deal without giving up too much?

CLE/Brooklyn.

So 1 deal that has happened so far that the Sixers "missed out on". Any others? Also, I'm not sure the Sixers had a chance at that deal specifically. Just my personal opinion, but I feel like Cleveland and Brookyln just had a better relationship with Boston and that played a part in getting the deal done. Brooklyn and Boston did just pull off a huge trade a few years ago with Ainge and BK I believe working on that together. Could be Ainge calling up saying "remember when I gave you a phenomenal deal to get the big 4 together? Well, it's time to pay up".

I'm not sure why we're excluding the Lin trade or the GSW/Utah trade from last year. You continue to act like I am freaking about this but all I've said is I think they were missed opportunities.

[Mr Sixer]

If this was a case of us not taking on salary because we want to squeeze a pick or 2 more out of a deal, but then ended up not spending the cap space, Hinkie could be at fault. But in this case he clearly sees value in keeping Thad, either till the trade deadline or even after. Maybe Thad will see not trading him despite these rumors as an act of faith and want to re-sign. I trust Hinkie's judgment accepting an offer that is high enough to outweigh the loss of trading Thad. That said, I would probably rather walk away from this with say, Bennett and a 2nd rounder, but the nice thing about having a GM that I don't think I am smarter than for once *cough* Billy King *cough* is that I can trust his judgment and don't have to get stressed out about a deal going down or not.

[ckchen]

CLE/Brooklyn.

So 1 deal that has happened so far that the Sixers "missed out on". Any others? Also, I'm not sure the Sixers had a chance at that deal specifically. Just my personal opinion, but I feel like Cleveland and Brookyln just had a better relationship with Boston and that played a part in getting the deal done. Brooklyn and Boston did just pull off a huge trade a few years ago with Ainge and BK I believe working on that together. Could be Ainge calling up saying "remember when I gave you a phenomenal deal to get the big 4 together? Well, it's time to pay up".

I'm not sure why we're excluding the Lin trade or the GSW/Utah trade from last year. You continue to act like I am freaking about this but all I've said is I think they were missed opportunities.

I think it's funny that you seem to that every single GM of every team is going to check with Hinkie before making a deal. There isn't some kind of clearinghouse where every potential deal is posted before it happens where Hinkie can just jump in and say "no, trade with me instead!" When you have a specific asset that people are trying to get (one of our players, say Thad, etc.) where you can legitimately say "Hinkie had a chance to trade for _____" and he didn't. Just naming every single deal that has happened during the past 2 years that involved cap space and assuming that sixers had a chance to be in that deal and chose not to get involved is ridiculous. Everyone knows that is not how business works. Someone calls someone and they talk deal - if they can work something out with that team, they may never bother calling anyone else, because.....why bother?

Cap space in itself is not an exclusive asset. You can't assume that every deal that uses cap space is a deal that somehow Hinkie missed out on. Lakers/Lin deal - sure, it was widely reported we were considered. In that case, Hinkie got outbid. But bringing up that Celtics deal or the Utah deal serves no purpose, because you can't assume that the Sixers were ever involved or considered.