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Post#441 » by Sixerscan » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:56 pm

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CharlesOakleeey wrote:I mostly agree with this.

Hinkie wanted what he thought was BPA. That's definitely fine and good. But I think grabbing the Knicks guy was definitely an added incentive for Hinkie to grab him. At some point, these teams will be battling for spots in the Atlantic (what a thought ha!) and screwing each other in some way should be an incentive.

Not sure why Philly doesn't get as much love from FAs honestly. But the draft is Philly's way to amass talent. So, yes, BPA was the predominant reason for pick IMO.


Well hold up. Do you think the TWolves drafted Towns in part because the Lakers wanted him? The Lakers Russell because the Sixers wanted him? The Knicks Porzingis b/c of the Magic?

Sure, the Sixers are "screwing" you in the sense that they aren't passing on who they think is the best player available, but that's just what the draft is. The Sixers want the best collection of talent, and I guess that technically means that the other 29 teams have less talent, but i don't really think that's at all a concern.

I love New York City, but the this is classic NYC entitlement. Everything is about them.

Also, he's not the Knicks guy, he's the Sixers' guy.

It's not an entitlement at all. I think that is an EXTREME misconception. It is far from all about NYC, trust me.

All I said is, we are in the same conference and screwing a direct competitor is a nice added bonus and probably had (even the slightest) impact on the choice. This is a game of strategy, right? Even if Hinkie's game plan is pretty simple (as you point out collecting best talent, i.e. BPA always), there have to be side incentives is all.

I think Okafor is going to be fantastic and will do a lot of great things in Philly. It's a shame Russell wasn't there, he would have been the better pick for you.

But how you could read entitlement from what I said, I don't get. That is a stretch. Simply saying there are a lot of factors that contribute to a pick and you have to consider who is above, below you, and is available -- but do agree that Okafor was BPA and is why he was selected.

Slight edit to clarify: knicks guy was a reference to fit with Jackson's mission. That's all.


"Screwing a direct competitor" would be something like the Knicks having an RFA and the Sixers offering him the max to force you guys to match. Or, heck, the thing that just came out about the Jrue trade. The Sixers didn't "screw" anyone here, they made a draft pick.

Like you said, the Sixers drafted Okafor because they thought he was the best guy available at that point. Now, I guess in a very meta sense, you make a draft pick to ensure that everyone after you can't make that same draft pick, but that's true of every transaction ever so I'm not sure why it is notable here, or why the Knicks in particular are relevant other than they happen to be the team that picked right after us. There's never been a real rivalry between the two teams, and of all people I wouldn't expect Hinkie to care about something like that anyway. Just like I assume Phil didn't care about whether or not the Magic wanted Porzingis.
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Post#442 » by crow » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:59 pm

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Post#443 » by crow » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:00 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:Jahlil Okafor himself just retweeted this.


Did he un-retweet it? I don't see it on his profile
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Post#444 » by Stanford » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:05 pm

crow wrote:Do you really think Jah meant it in a bad way?


So he just doesn't know what the word means?
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Post#445 » by CoreyGallagher » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:09 pm

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CoreyGallagher wrote:Jahlil Okafor himself just retweeted this.


Did he un-retweet it? I don't see it on his profile

Seems to have lol, didn't think to take a screenshot because that's sort of an odd thing to do, untweeting something that is.
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Post#446 » by crow » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:11 pm

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crow wrote:Do you really think Jah meant it in a bad way?


So he just doesn't know what the word means?


He knows what the word means, but do you really think he meant it that way? To a bunch of Philly reporters right after being drafted?
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Post#447 » by Sixerscan » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:13 pm

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crow wrote:Do you really think Jah meant it in a bad way?


So he just doesn't know what the word means?


I think it's pretty obvious he was bummed to fall to 3, let alone to a place with two big guys already. This is a kid that's been the **** since he was 10 years old. Probably the first time someone didn't want him. Hopefully it drives him further to be great.
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Post#448 » by Stanford » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:15 pm

crow wrote:He knows what the word means, but do you really think he meant it that way?


I just don't know of a use of the word jinx that could be considered positive. I'm sure he didn't mean it in a negative way, but it's an odd choice of words nonetheless.
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Post#449 » by N Y K » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:21 pm

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Well hold up. Do you think the TWolves drafted Towns in part because the Lakers wanted him? The Lakers Russell because the Sixers wanted him? The Knicks Porzingis b/c of the Magic?

Sure, the Sixers are "screwing" you in the sense that they aren't passing on who they think is the best player available, but that's just what the draft is. The Sixers want the best collection of talent, and I guess that technically means that the other 29 teams have less talent, but i don't really think that's at all a concern.

I love New York City, but the this is classic NYC entitlement. Everything is about them.

Also, he's not the Knicks guy, he's the Sixers' guy.

It's not an entitlement at all. I think that is an EXTREME misconception. It is far from all about NYC, trust me.

All I said is, we are in the same conference and screwing a direct competitor is a nice added bonus and probably had (even the slightest) impact on the choice. This is a game of strategy, right? Even if Hinkie's game plan is pretty simple (as you point out collecting best talent, i.e. BPA always), there have to be side incentives is all.

I think Okafor is going to be fantastic and will do a lot of great things in Philly. It's a shame Russell wasn't there, he would have been the better pick for you.

But how you could read entitlement from what I said, I don't get. That is a stretch. Simply saying there are a lot of factors that contribute to a pick and you have to consider who is above, below you, and is available -- but do agree that Okafor was BPA and is why he was selected.

Slight edit to clarify: knicks guy was a reference to fit with Jackson's mission. That's all.


"Screwing a direct competitor" would be something like the Knicks having an RFA and the Sixers offering him the max to force you guys to match. Or, heck, the thing that just came out about the Jrue trade. The Sixers didn't "screw" anyone here, they made a draft pick.

Like you said, the Sixers drafted Okafor because they thought he was the best guy available at that point. Now, I guess in a very meta sense, you make a draft pick to ensure that everyone after you can't make that same draft pick, but that's true of every transaction ever so I'm not sure why it is notable here, or why the Knicks in particular are relevant other than they happen to be the team that picked right after us. There's never been a real rivalry between the two teams, and of all people I wouldn't expect Hinkie to care about something like that anyway. Just like I assume Phil didn't care about whether or not the Magic wanted Porzingis.

Hmm, ok. Well, I would hope Jackson thought about the Magic somewhat before making the pick. I'll just forfeit at this point. No need to continue arguing over something of such little significance.

Congrats on the pick, 6er fans. Can't wait to see how this draft class pans out.
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Post#450 » by crow » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:21 pm

Stanford wrote:
crow wrote:He knows what the word means, but do you really think he meant it that way?


I just don't know of a use of the word jinx that could be considered positive. I'm sure he didn't mean it in a negative way, but it's an odd choice of words nonetheless.


Yeah no doubt. It was strange.
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Post#451 » by 76sbrazil » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:23 pm

I dont see it in a bad way, but i think he is frustrated at being 3. This guy was the top prospect for some time last year.
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Post#452 » by 76thBearCub » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:25 pm

Stanford wrote:
crow wrote:He knows what the word means, but do you really think he meant it that way?


I just don't know of a use of the word jinx that could be considered positive. I'm sure he didn't mean it in a negative way, but it's an odd choice of words nonetheless.


If he can't take it as a positive after the fact, then he never had any business being a top guy anyway. If your a competitor at heart, you embrace that.

If your afraid, you fold under the pressure and you weren't anything to build around anyway. He might even only have 1 big, who actually complements him perfectly to contend with.
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Post#453 » by CoreyGallagher » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:27 pm

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CoreyGallagher wrote:Jahlil Okafor himself just retweeted this.


Did he un-retweet it? I don't see it on his profile

[tweet]https://twitter.com/shamus_clancy/status/615238186701295616[/tweet]
Someone was weird enough to take a screenshot.
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Post#454 » by crow » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:28 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:Someone was weird enough to take a screenshot, lol.


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Post#455 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:41 pm

I think Jahlil took it down because he didn't want people to think he actually cared what people are saying, and didn't wanna get too caught up in this media hype about him being unhappy.
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Post#456 » by broseph13 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:17 pm

Sixers should start thinking about trading him since he's clearly unhappy. Bad idea to put faith in a guy who totally doesn't want to be here and who will almost certainly leave once his rookie deal is up.
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Post#457 » by crow » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:26 pm

broseph13 wrote:Sixers should start thinking about trading him since he's clearly unhappy. Bad idea to put faith in a guy who totally doesn't want to be here and who will almost certainly leave once his rookie deal is up.

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Post#458 » by CoreyGallagher » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:26 pm

broseph13 wrote:Sixers should start thinking about trading him since he's clearly unhappy. Bad idea to put faith in a guy who totally doesn't want to be here and who will almost certainly leave once his rookie deal is up.

Once his rookie deal is up he's a restricted free agent.
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Post#459 » by Sportfan73 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:27 pm

broseph13 wrote:Sixers should start thinking about trading him since he's clearly unhappy. Bad idea to put faith in a guy who totally doesn't want to be here and who will almost certainly leave once his rookie deal is up.
gotta love RFA. So okafor can leave in 8 years. Awesome


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Post#460 » by Unbreakable99 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:32 pm

@SHAQ: Congrats to all the collegiate players picked in this years draft, now it's time to really play some ball. #OKAFOR should of went 1st

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