If Okafor is traded for the 3rd pick, who do you want most?

[SelfishPlayer]

You are correct in that he's a swing man with great athleticism. He's also potentially a few years away, doesn't do anything to solve Boston's issues up front, and may be a bit of a reach at #7. Maybe not though. Hey, if that's who Boston wants at #3, perhaps it works out and he turns out to be a great pick. I don't see even remotely how it advances the Celtics in the short or long term though. Maybe they have other moves in mind. Maybe a deal just isn't there to be made with Boston. I just hope like hell Colangelo doesn't blink. If the reported offer is correct, he's already offering more than enough. Time to move on to Phoenix or someone else.

The Celtics worked Jaylen Brown out twice, and so did the Sixers. I believe he has a high likelihood of going #3. I believe all trade talk for the #3 pick between the Celts and Sixers is over selecting Brown.

I would be shocked if that were true, but stranger things have happened.

I wouldn't. He began his college season with his stock that high then people soured on him not fully acknowledging that he played on a team that was a bad fit, much like Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons didn't have the ball in his hands enough, and Brown had the ball in his hands too much (no PG or shooters on the team).

[Gsraider]

The Celtics worked Jaylen Brown out twice, and so did the Sixers. I believe he has a high likelihood of going #3. I believe all trade talk for the #3 pick between the Celts and Sixers is over selecting Brown.

Possibly, but I don't believe most of what I hear prior to the draft. Besides, a second workout could be done for a few reasons. One, to make other teams think you're interested. Two, because a guy you didn't necessarily think was in the same mix as other guys shows you something you want to see more of. In the end, it may just be double checking or it may cause you to pick him. Three, if you trade down a few spots, you might be interested in selecting the guy there. For example, perhaps Boston can work out a deal with NO or Sacto or whatever and may want Brown at that spot. I honestly don't believe anything I read right now unless it comes from Woj. That may seem like a broken record, but he's the only guy with a track record of being right more often than not.

[Ericb5]

The Celtics worked Jaylen Brown out twice, and so did the Sixers. I believe he has a high likelihood of going #3. I believe all trade talk for the #3 pick between the Celts and Sixers is over selecting Brown.

I would be shocked if that were true, but stranger things have happened.

I wouldn't. He began his college season with his stock that high then people soured on him not fully acknowledging that he played on a team that was a bad fit, much like Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons didn't have the ball in his hands enough, and Brown had the ball in his hands too much (no PG or shooters on the team).

Oh, I like him, but it would shock me that BC would be after him at 3.

[SelfishPlayer]

I would be shocked if that were true, but stranger things have happened.

I wouldn't. He began his college season with his stock that high then people soured on him not fully acknowledging that he played on a team that was a bad fit, much like Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons didn't have the ball in his hands enough, and Brown had the ball in his hands too much (no PG or shooters on the team).

Oh, I like him, but it would shock me that BC would be after him at 3.

It wouldn't shock me. I looked at the track record of the Colangelos a few days ago and they drafted Shawn Merion and Demar Derozan so they have respect for the wing position even when the prospect is perceived to have poor ballhandling skills and outside touch.

[HankTheTank]

I'm so uncomfortable with the whole world knowing we want Dunn. A shark like Ainge will take Dunn and hold BC up for ransom-- in other words, Hinkie him.

I have great respect for Danny Ainge as a GM, but I don't get this idea. If you've identified a player that you believe will move your franchise forward, why are you worried about getting held up for ransom? I don't worry about getting "Hinkied" as long as I get what I want.

Look at the Elfrid Payton deal. Everyone killed the Orlando FL for paying "too much" for Payton. Hinkie "won" the deal because he got a little extra value. So what? The Magic got who they wanted and aren't suffering. People are too hung up on keeping"assets". If there is a player, who you believe will be a star, becomes available you spend those assets. It's about getting star players, not holding on to average players and picks.

Another thing, the Payton deal kind of proves my point. They blabbed they liked Payton, and hinkie made them pay through the nose. Actually, they didn't blab, they just made it obvious through their actions. What they paid is not irrelevant. As you said, it's all about getting a star-- who has a better chance of being a star, Payton or the '17 Sixer pick (Top 5?) in a loaded draft they had to sacrifice because they couldn't keep their intentions to themselves?

[PhilasFinest]

I'm so uncomfortable with the whole world knowing we want Dunn. A shark like Ainge will take Dunn and hold BC up for ransom-- in other words, Hinkie him.

I have great respect for Danny Ainge as a GM, but I don't get this idea. If you've identified a player that you believe will move your franchise forward, why are you worried about getting held up for ransom? I don't worry about getting "Hinkied" as long as I get what I want.

Look at the Elfrid Payton deal. Everyone killed the Orlando FL for paying "too much" for Payton. Hinkie "won" the deal because he got a little extra value. So what? The Magic got who they wanted and aren't suffering. People are too hung up on keeping"assets". If there is a player, who you believe will be a star, becomes available you spend those assets. It's about getting star players, not holding on to average players and picks.

Another thing, the Payton deal kind of proves my point. They blabbed they liked Payton, and hinkie made them pay through the nose. Actually, they didn't blab, they just made it obvious through their actions. What they paid is not irrelevant. As you said, it's all about getting a star-- who has a better chance of being a star, Payton or the '17 Sixer pick (Top 5?) in a loaded draft they had to sacrifice because they couldn't keep their intentions to themselves?

Im almost positive The pick was Lottery protected for 3 years, then turned into 2 2nd's. Was a good get, but nothing crazy as the pick was essentially a lock to not convey anyways. Orlando likely viewed it as 2 future 2nd rounders.

Also not so sure you can say Hinkie won the deal, when Saric has yet to come over or produce anything at the NBA level.

[LloydFree]

I'm so uncomfortable with the whole world knowing we want Dunn. A shark like Ainge will take Dunn and hold BC up for ransom-- in other words, Hinkie him.

I have great respect for Danny Ainge as a GM, but I don't get this idea. If you've identified a player that you believe will move your franchise forward, why are you worried about getting held up for ransom? I don't worry about getting "Hinkied" as long as I get what I want.

Look at the Elfrid Payton deal. Everyone killed the Orlando FL for paying "too much" for Payton. Hinkie "won" the deal because he got a little extra value. So what? The Magic got who they wanted and aren't suffering. People are too hung up on keeping"assets". If there is a player, who you believe will be a star, becomes available you spend those assets. It's about getting star players, not holding on to average players and picks.

Another thing, the Payton deal kind of proves my point. They blabbed they liked Payton, and hinkie made them pay through the nose. Actually, they didn't blab, they just made it obvious through their actions. What they paid is not irrelevant. As you said, it's all about getting a star-- who has a better chance of being a star, Payton or the '17 Sixer pick (Top 5?) in a loaded draft they had to sacrifice because they couldn't keep their intentions to themselves?

Orlando lost that trade initially, due to perceived value. But ultimately they got a solid NBA starter, from the #12 pick in the draft, at the cost of paying the "premium" of a high 2nd round pick. Ultimately, who cares? They gave up an additional minor asset, to get what they wanted. Ultimately, they got their player at good value, and they didn't lose anything significant. That's how I look at it. It's alright to overpay a "little bit" if you are confident you are getting what you need.

[Ericb5]

I have great respect for Danny Ainge as a GM, but I don't get this idea. If you've identified a player that you believe will move your franchise forward, why are you worried about getting held up for ransom? I don't worry about getting "Hinkied" as long as I get what I want.

Look at the Elfrid Payton deal. Everyone killed the Orlando FL for paying "too much" for Payton. Hinkie "won" the deal because he got a little extra value. So what? The Magic got who they wanted and aren't suffering. People are too hung up on keeping"assets". If there is a player, who you believe will be a star, becomes available you spend those assets. It's about getting star players, not holding on to average players and picks.

Another thing, the Payton deal kind of proves my point. They blabbed they liked Payton, and hinkie made them pay through the nose. Actually, they didn't blab, they just made it obvious through their actions. What they paid is not irrelevant. As you said, it's all about getting a star-- who has a better chance of being a star, Payton or the '17 Sixer pick (Top 5?) in a loaded draft they had to sacrifice because they couldn't keep their intentions to themselves?

Im almost positive The pick was Lottery protected for 3 years, then turned into 2 2nd's. Was a good get, but nothing crazy as the pick was essentially a lock to not convey anyways. Orlando likely viewed it as 2 future 2nd rounders.

Also not so sure you can say Hinkie won the deal, when Saric has yet to come over or produce anything at the NBA level.

My memory is that our pick was top 8 protected in 2017. We probably will be in the top 8 next year so we would have kept the pick, but may have needed to trade it in 2018.

That would have made us unable to do the pick swap deal with the Kings too I think.


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[HankTheTank]

Another thing, the Payton deal kind of proves my point. They blabbed they liked Payton, and hinkie made them pay through the nose. Actually, they didn't blab, they just made it obvious through their actions. What they paid is not irrelevant. As you said, it's all about getting a star-- who has a better chance of being a star, Payton or the '17 Sixer pick (Top 5?) in a loaded draft they had to sacrifice because they couldn't keep their intentions to themselves?

Im almost positive The pick was Lottery protected for 3 years, then turned into 2 2nd's. Was a good get, but nothing crazy as the pick was essentially a lock to not convey anyways. Orlando likely viewed it as 2 future 2nd rounders.

Also not so sure you can say Hinkie won the deal, when Saric has yet to come over or produce anything at the NBA level.

My memory is that our pick was top 8 protected in 2017. We probably will be in the top 8 next year so we would have kept the pick, but may have needed to trade it in 2018.

That would have made us unable to do the pick swap deal with the Kings too I think.


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The pick was lottery protected for 3 years, the clock starting in 2017. Anyway, more important stuff going on right now, good talk, as Craig Kilborn said in Old School.

[SelfishPlayer]

I knew Boston's pick would be Jaylen Brown.

[Gsraider]

I knew Boston's pick would be Jaylen Brown.

That was a good call. Not sure it's the best thing for Boston, but Brown is a good athlete and good player.