Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[sixers23]

It's funny how some people refuse to believe that Okafor can't improve his game. Bigs take some time to develop. Okafor is already way ahead of the curve in my opinion. His defense and rebounding will catch up.

he would have to make historic improvements

[Ericb5]

I don't think Jah is as slow footed as people keep saying. He is pretty fleet of foot for a guy his size actually. Has pretty long arms too. I don't think he can't play defense...he just sucks at it. I have seen him legit d up guards and stay with them. His defensive issues are awareness and effort. Same with his rebounding.. Now whether or not that is a good thing or not is the real question.

He has very nimble feet, but not quick feet.

I agree that his defensive issues are awareness, effort, but I would argue that the effort part is really a fitness issue. He plays hard. He just runs out of gas.


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[Sportfan73]

I don't think Jah is as slow footed as people keep saying. He is pretty fleet of foot for a guy his size actually. Has pretty long arms too. I don't think he can't play defense...he just sucks at it. I have seen him legit d up guards and stay with them. His defensive issues are awareness and effort. Same with his rebounding.. Now whether or not that is a good thing or not is the real question.

He has very nimble feet, but not quick feet.

I agree that his defensive issues are awareness, effort, but I would argue that the effort part is really a fitness issue. He plays hard. He just runs out of gas.


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This is why every time brett talks about Jah becoming a franchise player he says it's all about him changing his body.

[Sportfan73]

And I will say in his recent pictures Jah looks slim.

[Unbreakable99]

It's funny how some people refuse to believe that Okafor can't improve his game. Bigs take some time to develop. Okafor is already way ahead of the curve in my opinion. His defense and rebounding will catch up.

Of course Okafor can and will get better. But everyone has limits. Okafor is slow footed and will never be able to a plus defender in my opinion. He may improve his rebounding but his instincts on defense are horrible. He doesn't go for rebounds. I don't know why we would keep Okafor over Noel though. Noel would be perfect for backing up Embiid. We would always have a rim protector in the game. If we keep Okafor and trade Noel then unfortunately our front court will have Simmons as PF and Okafor at Center. It's not a recipe for success to have Okafor as the last line of defense. How does this potential lineup look for you?

PG
Stauskas
Covington
Simmons
Okafor

YUCK! That lineup would be awful defensively. Do you really want to see that?

Again, you're focusing on fit rather than talent. Where is Embiid in all of this? You act like it's Simmons/Okafor for 48 minutes, but then bring up the Embiid/Noel factor of always having a "rim protector".
The only way I keep Noel over Okafor is if we acquire Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson, that way having an interior scoring threat isn't a necessity. Stop assuming we are trying to emulate what the Warriors are doing. It just isn't all that easy.

Also....if Okafor can improve his rebounding and can get to a point where he's not a liability defensively, why wouldn't we keep him over Noel? Seriously......It's a matter of talent over this whole system fit crap. I love Noel, but I think you badly missed my point....Like...Nerlens Noel jumpshot bad.

I never said we would be like the Warriors. I don't want to be like them. Having Embiid will ensure we don't play like them. I put that lineup out there to show you how bad it could look having Okafor start at Center for us. I think we will bring Embiid off the bench early on in the season. I don't see Simmons playing SF. He's going to guard PFs. That means with Noel gone then Okafor wil be our last line of defense. Do you really want that?

[Unbreakable99]

I don't think Jah is as slow footed as people keep saying. He is pretty fleet of foot for a guy his size actually. Has pretty long arms too. I don't think he can't play defense...he just sucks at it. I have seen him legit d up guards and stay with them. His defensive issues are awareness and effort. Same with his rebounding.. Now whether or not that is a good thing or not is the real question.

He has very nimble feet, but not quick feet.

I agree that his defensive issues are awareness, effort, but I would argue that the effort part is really a fitness issue. He plays hard. He just runs out of gas.


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Jah does have very nimble feet that helps him score offensively. It's not the same defensively though. He's slow footed on defense. When Okafor has the ball and knows what he's going to do it's very tough to stop him. He's deceptively quick for his size and has a great handle for his size. And on top of that he has awesome moves and counters to his moves. On defense he has to react though. He's not a quick thinker defensively and lacks awareness. That can improve but I don't know if it will improve enough for him to be a plus defender. That is why I value Noel more than Okafor and think Okafor should be traded.

[Sundown]

I am not advocating for this deal, but am just trying to spin the conversation in the other direction.

I keep hearing we don't wanna be the Hawks. Sure thats true to an extent, but we also have a lot young talent with upside across the board.
Joel Embiid
Jahlil Okafor
Ben Simmons/Brandon Ingram
Dario Saric
2 1st rounders via Mia/OKC
2017 Draft pick w/ swap rights via Sac
Lakers future #1
Kings Future #1
ETC.


What if the presence of a good, still semi- young experienced veteran PG is a shot in the arm for all of that talent?
What if it helps elevate the rest of the talent on the roster? If a journeyman Ish Smith can come in and make Noel/Okafor look better, What if someone like Teague can take them to another level?

If Noel truly isn't in the teams long term plans and moving him for a deal around Teague helps 1-2 of the pieces reach their potential....Does this deal look better?

I don't think so.

I completely understand the rationale behind wanting a Jeff Teague to help grow these young guys. I understand the value of that. It was the one part of Hinkie's plan that I disagreed with and I think he made huge mistake in particular at PG last year. Jeff Teague on a 2-3 year deal would be a much different story for me. But we are talking about trading for a guy for one season and the right to pay him an absurd deal that could be worth 30+% of our cap for 5 more seasons. We should not start losing trades this badly just because we have so many trade chips and so much cap flexibility. It's that type of thinking that has you run out of trade chips and cap flexibility before you know it. Because even though our future looks bright, we still have not actually identified a franchise player, let alone the two or three you need to win a championship. Sure we HOPE some of these names we pencil in will grow into that caliber of player, but nobody actually knows. So it's too early to start cashing in for the likes of Jeff Teague -- as if he's putting you over the top or something. I'd much rather overpay an aging and declining veteran over a much shorter time horizon and save Noel for a better deal.

[Sportfan73]

I am not advocating for this deal, but am just trying to spin the conversation in the other direction.

I keep hearing we don't wanna be the Hawks. Sure thats true to an extent, but we also have a lot young talent with upside across the board.
Joel Embiid
Jahlil Okafor
Ben Simmons/Brandon Ingram
Dario Saric
2 1st rounders via Mia/OKC
2017 Draft pick w/ swap rights via Sac
Lakers future #1
Kings Future #1
ETC.


What if the presence of a good, still semi- young experienced veteran PG is a shot in the arm for all of that talent?
What if it helps elevate the rest of the talent on the roster? If a journeyman Ish Smith can come in and make Noel/Okafor look better, What if someone like Teague can take them to another level?

If Noel truly isn't in the teams long term plans and moving him for a deal around Teague helps 1-2 of the pieces reach their potential....Does this deal look better?

I don't think so.

I completely understand the rationale behind wanting a Jeff Teague to help grow these young guys. I understand the value of that. It was the one part of Hinkie's plan that I disagreed with and I think he made huge mistake in particular at PG last year. Jeff Teague on a 2-3 year deal would be a much different story for me. But we are talking about trading for a guy for one season and the right to pay him an absurd deal that could be worth 30+% of our cap for 5 more seasons. We should not start losing trades this badly just because we have so many trade chips and so much cap flexibility. It's that type of thinking that has you run out of trade chips and cap flexibility before you know it. Because even though our future looks bright, we still have not actually identified a franchise player, let alone the two or three you need to win a championship. Sure we HOPE some of these names we pencil in will grow into that caliber of player, but nobody actually knows. So it's too early to start cashing in for the likes of Jeff Teague -- as if he's putting you over the top or something. I'd much rather overpay an aging and declining veteran over a much shorter time horizon and save Noel for a better deal.

I'm guessing they are looking at what ish did for Jah and thinking we need to get him a legitimate point guard to see just how good he can be. I really don't care if this year our Frontline is Okafor and Simmons and the Defense is awful.

[Winejk]

I don't think so.

I completely understand the rationale behind wanting a Jeff Teague to help grow these young guys. I understand the value of that. It was the one part of Hinkie's plan that I disagreed with and I think he made huge mistake in particular at PG last year. Jeff Teague on a 2-3 year deal would be a much different story for me. But we are talking about trading for a guy for one season and the right to pay him an absurd deal that could be worth 30+% of our cap for 5 more seasons. We should not start losing trades this badly just because we have so many trade chips and so much cap flexibility. It's that type of thinking that has you run out of trade chips and cap flexibility before you know it. Because even though our future looks bright, we still have not actually identified a franchise player, let alone the two or three you need to win a championship. Sure we HOPE some of these names we pencil in will grow into that caliber of player, but nobody actually knows. So it's too early to start cashing in for the likes of Jeff Teague -- as if he's putting you over the top or something. I'd much rather overpay an aging and declining veteran over a much shorter time horizon and save Noel for a better deal.

In what world does anyone think Jeff Teauge is going to command 30+% of the cap if he gets extended? Teague is a nice player, but nobody thinks he's a max or near max level player.

[PhilasFinest]

I don't think so.

I completely understand the rationale behind wanting a Jeff Teague to help grow these young guys. I understand the value of that. It was the one part of Hinkie's plan that I disagreed with and I think he made huge mistake in particular at PG last year. Jeff Teague on a 2-3 year deal would be a much different story for me. But we are talking about trading for a guy for one season and the right to pay him an absurd deal that could be worth 30+% of our cap for 5 more seasons. We should not start losing trades this badly just because we have so many trade chips and so much cap flexibility. It's that type of thinking that has you run out of trade chips and cap flexibility before you know it. Because even though our future looks bright, we still have not actually identified a franchise player, let alone the two or three you need to win a championship. Sure we HOPE some of these names we pencil in will grow into that caliber of player, but nobody actually knows. So it's too early to start cashing in for the likes of Jeff Teague -- as if he's putting you over the top or something. I'd much rather overpay an aging and declining veteran over a much shorter time horizon and save Noel for a better deal.

In what world does anyone think Jeff Teauge is going to command 30+% of the cap if he gets extended? Teague is a nice player, but nobody thinks he's a max or near max level player.

Probably the same world where people think Allen Crabbe and Evan Fournier are worth 15-20M deals.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I think you guys underestimate the stupidity and desperation of some teams. Every team is going to have money next offseason and some team will give Teague the max. Count on it.

[Sixerscan]

I don't think so.

I completely understand the rationale behind wanting a Jeff Teague to help grow these young guys. I understand the value of that. It was the one part of Hinkie's plan that I disagreed with and I think he made huge mistake in particular at PG last year. Jeff Teague on a 2-3 year deal would be a much different story for me. But we are talking about trading for a guy for one season and the right to pay him an absurd deal that could be worth 30+% of our cap for 5 more seasons. We should not start losing trades this badly just because we have so many trade chips and so much cap flexibility. It's that type of thinking that has you run out of trade chips and cap flexibility before you know it. Because even though our future looks bright, we still have not actually identified a franchise player, let alone the two or three you need to win a championship. Sure we HOPE some of these names we pencil in will grow into that caliber of player, but nobody actually knows. So it's too early to start cashing in for the likes of Jeff Teague -- as if he's putting you over the top or something. I'd much rather overpay an aging and declining veteran over a much shorter time horizon and save Noel for a better deal.

In what world does anyone think Jeff Teauge is going to command 30+% of the cap if he gets extended? Teague is a nice player, but nobody thinks he's a max or near max level player.

Probably the same world where people think Allen Crabbe and Evan Fournier are worth 15-20M deals.

Will be interested to hear your takes after this summers free agency period. The concept of how much guys can get is going to be turned on its head.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Remember, Jody Meeks signed a 3 year 20 million deal a year or two ago. If he got 7 mil per at normal cap, imagine what Fournier will get with inflated cap? probably 15/16.

[Kobblehead]

I never got the impression that Jah was particularly out of shape. He was pretty thin and sleek in spite of his thick, natural frame.

[Arsenal]

Remember, Jody Meeks signed a 3 year 20 million deal a year or two ago. If he got 7 mil per at normal cap, imagine what Fournier will get with inflated cap? probably 15/16.

Fournier is going to get $20M/yr. I wouldn't mind if it was us since we need to spend a ton of $$$ just to hit the minimum. He could be a part of the core going forward.

At $15M/yr Orlando matches instantly.

[Sundown]

It's funny how some people refuse to believe that Okafor can't improve his game. Bigs take some time to develop. Okafor is already way ahead of the curve in my opinion. His defense and rebounding will catch up.

he would have to make historic improvements

Historic is an overstatement. Take a look at Aldridge's rookie year and his defensive advanced analytics. Fairly close to Okafor's.


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[PhilasFinest]

In what world does anyone think Jeff Teauge is going to command 30+% of the cap if he gets extended? Teague is a nice player, but nobody thinks he's a max or near max level player.

Probably the same world where people think Allen Crabbe and Evan Fournier are worth 15-20M deals.

Will be interested to hear your takes after this summers free agency period. The concept of how much guys can get is going to be turned on its head.

Yea. Part of it is simply adjusting to the larger cap number.I understand it. Theoretically its the same amount of money.

But seeing that big of a number associated with such unproven players just turns my stomach.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Remember, Jody Meeks signed a 3 year 20 million deal a year or two ago. If he got 7 mil per at normal cap, imagine what Fournier will get with inflated cap? probably 15/16.

Fournier is going to get $20M/yr. I wouldn't mind if it was us since we need to spend a ton of $$$ just to hit the minimum. He could be a part of the core going forward.

At $15M/yr Orlando matches instantly.

Let them, we don't need Fournier. In fact, I don't even want him to be honest.

[Sundown]

I don't think so.

I completely understand the rationale behind wanting a Jeff Teague to help grow these young guys. I understand the value of that. It was the one part of Hinkie's plan that I disagreed with and I think he made huge mistake in particular at PG last year. Jeff Teague on a 2-3 year deal would be a much different story for me. But we are talking about trading for a guy for one season and the right to pay him an absurd deal that could be worth 30+% of our cap for 5 more seasons. We should not start losing trades this badly just because we have so many trade chips and so much cap flexibility. It's that type of thinking that has you run out of trade chips and cap flexibility before you know it. Because even though our future looks bright, we still have not actually identified a franchise player, let alone the two or three you need to win a championship. Sure we HOPE some of these names we pencil in will grow into that caliber of player, but nobody actually knows. So it's too early to start cashing in for the likes of Jeff Teague -- as if he's putting you over the top or something. I'd much rather overpay an aging and declining veteran over a much shorter time horizon and save Noel for a better deal.

In what world does anyone think Jeff Teauge is going to command 30+% of the cap if he gets extended? Teague is a nice player, but nobody thinks he's a max or near max level player.

Cap is going to 83 million correct? 25M is 30% of the cap. That's not the max he can command, that starts at $30M. With everyone having money, you're damn right he'll get close to that. Not to mention we probably have to over pay him to be a babysitter.


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[spikeslovechild]

I don't think so.

I completely understand the rationale behind wanting a Jeff Teague to help grow these young guys. I understand the value of that. It was the one part of Hinkie's plan that I disagreed with and I think he made huge mistake in particular at PG last year. Jeff Teague on a 2-3 year deal would be a much different story for me. But we are talking about trading for a guy for one season and the right to pay him an absurd deal that could be worth 30+% of our cap for 5 more seasons. We should not start losing trades this badly just because we have so many trade chips and so much cap flexibility. It's that type of thinking that has you run out of trade chips and cap flexibility before you know it. Because even though our future looks bright, we still have not actually identified a franchise player, let alone the two or three you need to win a championship. Sure we HOPE some of these names we pencil in will grow into that caliber of player, but nobody actually knows. So it's too early to start cashing in for the likes of Jeff Teague -- as if he's putting you over the top or something. I'd much rather overpay an aging and declining veteran over a much shorter time horizon and save Noel for a better deal.

In what world does anyone think Jeff Teauge is going to command 30+% of the cap if he gets extended? Teague is a nice player, but nobody thinks he's a max or near max level player.

Probably the same world where people think Allen Crabbe and Evan Fournier are worth 15-20M deals.

It's not what they are worth it's how much they will get paid.

I would be shocked if Fournier got any less then 16 million. I'd sign him in a second for that amount.