So what's the pivot? (Beal, Lavine, or smaller moves)? - Post Harden ideas and rumors

Sixercise · Post #441 » by **Sixercise** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:07 am

Arsenal wrote:Bjelica is on the block. Don't want to break the bank for him, but if he comes cheap (e.g. Scott + 2nd) I'm game. Even though he screwed us before lol.

That would be some sweet irony

sixers4real · Post #442 » by **sixers4real** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:54 am

Is there any chance of getting Beal for that package?

Milton + Thybulle + Korkmaz + Green + Ferguson + 2 FRPs picks + 3 swaps

Or am I living in a dream world?

Sportfan73 · Post #443 » by **Sportfan73** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:14 am

sixers4real wrote:Is there any chance of getting Beal for that package?

Milton + Thybulle + Korkmaz + Green + Ferguson + 2 FRPs picks + 3 swaps

Or am I living in a dream world?

Add maxey and make it 3 picks and 4 swaps

sixers4real · Post #444 » by **sixers4real** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:32 am

Sportfan73 wrote:
sixers4real wrote:Is there any chance of getting Beal for that package?

Milton + Thybulle + Korkmaz + Green + Ferguson + 2 FRPs picks + 3 swaps

Or am I living in a dream world?

Add maxey and make it 3 picks and 4 swaps

That’s way too much I guess. I can add 2 more swaps and 1 SRP.

Regarding FRPs:
After we traded our FRP in Al Horford deal, we can only trade 2021, 2023 and 2027 FRPs, right?

Black Mage · Post #445 » by **Black Mage** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:44 am

You throw all of that in there and we basically have zero bench and a single injury could cripple the team.

Seth/?
Beal/?
Simmons/Joe (would get killed in playoffs)
Tobias/Scott
Embiid/Howard

Leaves you basically looking for an entire new 2nd unit, given we all agree Scott needs to be replaced. Not ideal given we'd be competing with Lakers/Nets/Celtics, etc. for any waiver pickups.

sixers4real · Post #446 » by **sixers4real** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:11 am

Black Mage wrote:You throw all of that in there and we basically have zero bench and a single injury could cripple the team.

Seth/?
Beal/?
Simmons/Joe (would get killed in playoffs)
Tobias/Scott
Embiid/Howard

Leaves you basically looking for an entire new 2nd unit, given we all agree Scott needs to be replaced. Not ideal given we'd be competing with Lakers/Nets/Celtics, etc. for any waiver pickups.

That’s why don’t want to give up both Maxey and Milton in that type of trade.
Anyway, none of this players will get minutes in these playoffs except for Danny Green and Shake Milton.

We lose a lot of our future in picks and Milton, Thybulle, but we get Bradley Beal, who is 27 and will complement Embiid and Simmons perfectly. And we are not losing Harris and Curry.

Simmons/Maxey
Curry/buyout/Joe
Beal/buyout/Joe
Harris/Scott
Embiid/Howard/Bradley

stormi · Post #447 » by **stormi** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:58 am

My prime archetype for this team would be a: Ben + Joel + Harris + Scorer big 4, with all four of those players have distinctive roles within the offense. Embiid being the star anchor, dominant post presence, Ben being Ben... Tobias being the stretch 4, and the scorer creator being the go-to indefinite bucket in the halfcourt that can score and get to the ft line. Someone like CJ McCollum would be perfect. I'd send out the salaries of Green & Seth with whatever filler was needed to balance the books, along with a prospect of Portlands choice (Milton/Maxey/Thybulle) and picks.

I like the way we're currently constructed, but this would be the mega evolved version, and an even better iteration of that 2019 team due to the 3 level scorer ability that Butler didn't really have. Would also be the best team in the east quite comfortably.

76ciology · Post #448 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:08 am

stormi wrote:My prime archetype for this team would be a, Ben + Joel + Harris + Scorer big 4, with all four of those players have distinctive roles within the offense. Embiid being the star anchor, dominant post presence, Ben being Ben... Tobias being the stretch 4, and the scorer creator being the go-to indefinite bucket in the halfcourt that can score and get to the ft line. Someone like CJ McCollum would be perfect. I'd send out the salaries of Green & Seth with whatever filler was needed to balance the books, along with a prospect of Portlands choice (Milton/Maxey/Thybulle) and picks.

I love the way we're currently constructed, but this would be the mega evolved version, and an even better iteration of that 2019 team due to the 3 level scorer ability that Butler didn't really have. Would also be the best team in the east quite comfortably.

Expiring, shake and 2 picks and a swap for a scorer?

The problem I see is the cap situation.

I dont think you can afford having four 30+M per year player. Even the Nets only have 3.

So you kind of need to trade either Tobi or Ben.

stormi · Post #449 » by **stormi** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:14 am

76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:My prime archetype for this team would be a, Ben + Joel + Harris + Scorer big 4, with all four of those players have distinctive roles within the offense. Embiid being the star anchor, dominant post presence, Ben being Ben... Tobias being the stretch 4, and the scorer creator being the go-to indefinite bucket in the halfcourt that can score and get to the ft line. Someone like CJ McCollum would be perfect. I'd send out the salaries of Green & Seth with whatever filler was needed to balance the books, along with a prospect of Portlands choice (Milton/Maxey/Thybulle) and picks.

I love the way we're currently constructed, but this would be the mega evolved version, and an even better iteration of that 2019 team due to the 3 level scorer ability that Butler didn't really have. Would also be the best team in the east quite comfortably.

Expiring, shake and 2 picks and a swap for a scorer?

I'm not sure if you're proposing something or describing the value in my post. If it's the latter, Seth isn't an expiring. Maxey/Milton a young guard with a future starter potential, and picks. Seems in line with Holiday's value (Bledsoe/Hill + picks) and a step below the price of an all nba scorer like Harden or PG.

CJ is also under contract until 2023, gives the Sixers and Morey a concrete timeline to win, rather than having to deal with another expiring /free agency fiasco.

stormi · Post #450 » by **stormi** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:18 am

76ciology wrote:I dont think you can afford having four 30+M per year player. Even the Nets only have 3.

So you kind of need to trade either Tobi or Ben.

ah.

M2J · Post #451 » by **M2J** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am

76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:My prime archetype for this team would be a, Ben + Joel + Harris + Scorer big 4, with all four of those players have distinctive roles within the offense. Embiid being the star anchor, dominant post presence, Ben being Ben... Tobias being the stretch 4, and the scorer creator being the go-to indefinite bucket in the halfcourt that can score and get to the ft line. Someone like CJ McCollum would be perfect. I'd send out the salaries of Green & Seth with whatever filler was needed to balance the books, along with a prospect of Portlands choice (Milton/Maxey/Thybulle) and picks.

I love the way we're currently constructed, but this would be the mega evolved version, and an even better iteration of that 2019 team due to the 3 level scorer ability that Butler didn't really have. Would also be the best team in the east quite comfortably.

Expiring, shake and 2 picks and a swap for a scorer?

The problem I see is the cap situation.

I dont think you can afford having four 30+M per year player. Even the Nets only have 3.

So you kind of need to trade either Tobi or Ben.

If it brings you a title....I think ownership should be willing. Winning a title... Even being highly competitive in the title race for 5 years, brings so much to the brand and dollars. Ticket prices soar, sponsorship dollars soar. International fan base... Etc. The new arena will pay for itself and bring more and more.

I live in Oakland where they don't mind spending because of these things.

76ciology · Post #452 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:41 am

stormi wrote:
76ciology wrote:I dont think you can afford having four 30+M per year player. Even the Nets only have 3.

So you kind of need to trade either Tobi or Ben.

ah.

Isnt CJ injured?

76ciology · Post #453 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:43 am

M2J wrote:
76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:My prime archetype for this team would be a, Ben + Joel + Harris + Scorer big 4, with all four of those players have distinctive roles within the offense. Embiid being the star anchor, dominant post presence, Ben being Ben... Tobias being the stretch 4, and the scorer creator being the go-to indefinite bucket in the halfcourt that can score and get to the ft line. Someone like CJ McCollum would be perfect. I'd send out the salaries of Green & Seth with whatever filler was needed to balance the books, along with a prospect of Portlands choice (Milton/Maxey/Thybulle) and picks.

I love the way we're currently constructed, but this would be the mega evolved version, and an even better iteration of that 2019 team due to the 3 level scorer ability that Butler didn't really have. Would also be the best team in the east quite comfortably.

Expiring, shake and 2 picks and a swap for a scorer?

The problem I see is the cap situation.

I dont think you can afford having four 30+M per year player. Even the Nets only have 3.

So you kind of need to trade either Tobi or Ben.

If it brings you a title....I think ownership should be willing. Winning a title... Even being highly competitive in the title race for 5 years, brings so much to the brand and dollars. Ticket prices soar, sponsorship dollars soar. International fan base... Etc. The new arena will pay for itself and bring more and more.

I live in Oakland where they don't mind spending because of these things.

Sorry but I think Oakland has a different situation than ours and specially not during this crazy pandemic.

It could happen but its not very likely, and im leaning towards the later.

stormi · Post #454 » by **stormi** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:48 am

76ciology wrote:
stormi wrote:
76ciology wrote:I dont think you can afford having four 30+M per year player. Even the Nets only have 3.

So you kind of need to trade either Tobi or Ben.

ah.

Isnt CJ injured?

Nothing major. Should be back comfortably before the deadline.

sixers4real · Post #455 » by **sixers4real** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:26 am

Embiid + Harris + Simmons + Beal/McCollum + Curry = 150 mil in 2021/22 season

Irving + Durant + Harden + Harris + Jordan = 145 mil in 2021/22 season

76ciology · Post #456 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:06 am

sixers4real wrote:Embiid + Harris + Simmons + Beal/McCollum + Curry = 150 mil in 2021/22 season

Irving + Durant + Harden + Harris + Jordan = 145 mil in 2021/22 season

Its one thing to be paying 100-120M for three MVP caliber guys and paying 100-120M that includes Tobias harris and Ben.

sixers4real · Post #457 » by **sixers4real** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:13 am

76ciology wrote:
sixers4real wrote:Embiid + Harris + Simmons + Beal/McCollum + Curry = 150 mil in 2021/22 season

Irving + Durant + Harden + Harris + Jordan = 145 mil in 2021/22 season

Its one thing to be paying 100-120M for three MVP caliber guys and paying 100-120M that includes Tobias harris and Ben.

It’s one thing to be paying for 5 guys under 30 years old, none of them being locker room cancer, 2 of 5 being elite defenders.

The other paying 5 guys with no desire to play any defense.

It’s whatever you say it. From the business stand point, of course it makes more sense to pay Kyrie, KD and Harden.
But I don’t know what team is better. And considering age, I’ll take these Sixers 2021-22 and 2022-23.

76ciology · Post #458 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:09 am

I wouldnt mind having that much talent. And quite frankly, its not my money so I dont mind if we had like 1 billion dollars worth of salary.

Adding Beal with Biid, Ben and Tobi is possible (and i want it to happen) but it’s just not feasible from a cap perspective IMO.

Kolkmania · Post #459 » by **Kolkmania** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:09 am

Will get really tough with 4 max players after 2022 when Beal's new contract will kick in. Do think that Simmons/Harris should be included in a trade. However, imo the Wizards should start from scrap and ask for a ton of picks instead of win-now pieces.

Perhaps they could sell Simmons to their fanbase or use him as an asset for future picks.

sixers4real · Post #460 » by **sixers4real** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:53 am

76ciology wrote:I wouldnt mind having that much talent. And quite frankly, its not my money so I dont mind if we had like 1 billion dollars worth of salary.

Adding Beal with Biid, Ben and Tobi is possible (and i want it to happen) but it’s just not feasible from a cap perspective IMO.

That's right, but Morey always was about getting as much talent to the NBA team. That team is better then Harden + Embiid.

And from Wizards perspective, they would much rather have Milton + Thybulle + picks + swaps for then Harris + some.

Will Josh Harris be willing to pay luxury tax?

Some will say hell no, I will say he can. He hired Doc and Morey for a ton of money, I think he wants that title

What is the pivot now that Harden is gone? Votes can be changed