The Playoffs Thread

[Negrodamus]

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Yes, James, players should be able to beat the transgressor senseless and that should be the postgame show. I've been saying this.

This is getting interesting to me, it is happening alot and it shouldn't, but I used to bounce in a club for many years.

The list of stuff that people called me, threw at me, along with punching me for no reason...is a list as long as my leg.

Should it happen? Course not, but I didn't have the platform that these guys have to cry about it though.

We had bouncers who acted like an ass, and guess what, they would always get targeted. I threated people well, and they targeted me a whole lot less than others. Kyrie, Russ, and such....if you act like an ass (they both do), then you will be targeted.

Pretty simple to me.

The difference is that you were a form of crowd control so you're intimately dealing with everything the crowd is doing. These guys are the entertainment.

That said, if someone hit you in the head with a water bottle, I imagine you and your bouncer buddies would get physical (or at least give you license to be physical) with the jerk. That's what I'm calling for here.

[ivysixer2000]

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Yes, James, players should be able to beat the transgressor senseless and that should be the postgame show. I've been saying this.

This is getting interesting to me, it is happening alot and it shouldn't, but I used to bounce in a club for many years.

The list of stuff that people called me, threw at me, along with punching me for no reason...is a list as long as my leg.

Should it happen? Course not, but I didn't have the platform that these guys have to cry about it though.

We had bouncers who acted like an ass, and guess what, they would always get targeted. I threated people well, and they targeted me a whole lot less than others. Kyrie, Russ, and such....if you act like an ass (they both do), then you will be targeted.

Pretty simple to me.

The difference is that you were a form of crowd control so you're intimately dealing with everything the crowd is doing. These guys are the entertainment.

That said, if someone hit you in the head with a water bottle, I imagine you and your bouncer buddies would get physical (or at least give you license to be physical) with the jerk. That's what I'm calling for here.

I agree with you, of course he would've been dealt with. I remember I was standing at the door counting money with my head down, some dude walking out the door punched me in the face and just ran. We couldn't even catch the guy, I think he was the Flash.

Dealt with, yes we loved to have guys wake up in our dumpster out back.

These players are the entertainment, correct, this is a strip club I'm speaking of btw where I bounced. Heaven knows I have 1,000 stories, but at the end of the day things will happen. Its part of the business, where I was different is if they did something stupid while drunk one night, I wouldn't 'ban them for life'.

Sure, idiots do stupid **** while drunk (these fans probably aren't sober), and some would come in apologizing the next day. I think its a case by case thing, its not as simple as 'ban them for life' (even though the girls hated me for it, they made more money cause of my case by case thing). But we do absolutely agree, they should be dealt with.

[76ciology]

Looks like we are going to be seeing Tre Young in round 2. I suppose the strategy will be to let him get his while shutting everyone else down a la Beal with the Wizards?

As opposed to what, doubling him? Yeah I think they have too many other options for that. It’ll be a little different though because Young plays on ball a lot more than Beal.

Sixers certainly have better options to throw at him than Reggie Bullock.

I love to see Thybulle and Trae duel. Thybulle should be careful of Trae’s trick where he would try to get a foul from a defender who’s chasing him from behind off the PnR.

I’d like to see us switch their PnR. Let Capela post a guy like Ben (who i may match Trae ln defense).

Overall, Hawks is a tougher match-up than the Knicks but this series may make us a better PnR defensive team which would be very useful if we face the Nets.

[MVP1992]

Looks like we are going to be seeing Tre Young in round 2. I suppose the strategy will be to let him get his while shutting everyone else down a la Beal with the Wizards?

As opposed to what, doubling him? Yeah I think they have too many other options for that. It’ll be a little different though because Young plays on ball a lot more than Beal.

Sixers certainly have better options to throw at him than Reggie Bullock.

I love to see Thybulle and Trae duel. Thybulle should be careful of Trae’s trick where he would try to get a foul from a defender who’s chasing him from behind off the PnR. .
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Would the Sixers coaching staff already have schemes in place for this possible match up based on the way Trae is currently playing (considering the rule interpretation of fake shot attempts and kicking out/jumping into defenders) ?

I hope it's something that our defenders have actually contended with at practice. i.e. have someone act a total jerk with the ball, flopping, flailing, jumping backwards being a total douchebag and trying to draw fouls, à la Trae Young.

[76ciology]

What do u guys think of Scott Brooks?

Hot take, I think he’s a horrible coach and costed the Thunder big 3 program with his horrible coaching.

Scotty Brooks is pretty bad.

Looking at the amount of games started by guys like Kendrick Perkins, Andre Roberson, and Thabo Seflosha during the Scott Brooks era in OKC is cringeworthy.

His style has just been about player 1A and player 1B exchanging turns on offense with a bunch of role players to play defense so player 1A and 1B will have a lot of energy on offense.

He wants to play fast, but there’s not enough perimeter offense. That you can zone up their his top players. Much worse when he always have RW as his 1B.

Just seems to me that both OKC and Wiz are two franchises that just wants to sell tickets by putting their top stars in a stage to perform more than to win a championship.

[Tomjas]

What do u guys think of Scott Brooks?

Hot take, I think he’s a horrible coach and costed the Thunder big 3 program with his horrible coaching.

Scotty Brooks is pretty bad.

Looking at the amount of games started by guys like Kendrick Perkins, Andre Roberson, and Thabo Seflosha during the Scott Brooks era in OKC is cringeworthy.

His style has just been about player 1A and player 1B exchanging turns on offense with a bunch of role players to play defense so player 1A and 1B will have a lot of energy on offense.

He wants to play fast, but there’s not enough perimeter offense. That you can zone up their his top players. Much worse when he always have RW as his 1B.

Just seems to me that both OKC and Wiz are two franchises that just wants to sell tickets by putting their top stars in a stage to perform more than to win a championship.

OKC has literally gutted their roster in return for picks

They would have kept Russ if they wanted to sell tickets

[Sixerscan]

Clippers got their heads out of their butts and started playing defense...

[the_process]

Doncic in the exclusive 40/40/40 shooting club

Explain to me 13-32 from the line and and 18-44 from 3. So much for GOAT.

[Sixerscan]

I'm not exactly sure how the NBA deals with people throwing stuff at players. I see and hear people mocking the NBA for banning people from arenas and how unenforceable that is, which is true, but I'm not sure what else they expect them to do. This isn't the same thing as getting mad at the NBA for not calling traveling enough. At the end of the day they're just a business, it's not as if they actually have the right to engage in vigilante justice or whatever and punish people for doing these sorts of things. I don't care what random small businesses do, when you're as big and public as the NBA you have to do everything by the book.

They can make it more physically difficult to actually hit a player with something. I'm not sure if they'll ever take away courtside seats or set up netting during the game the way they are doing with baseball now, but they can probably do some sort of temporary netting as players are entering and leaving the arena.

Otherwise they should probably beef up the PSAs and just make it clearer to people that you can actually suffer real world consequences by doing something like this. Getting convicted of even a low level assault charge can screw your life up a lot more than, say, getting beat up by Kyrie Irving.

[Kobblehead]

Doncic in the exclusive 40/40/40 shooting club

Explain to me 13-32 from the line and and 18-44 from 3. So much for GOAT.

It's one bad game from a guy with nerve damage in his neck and no talent around him. He's still the GOAT. Bow down to Sir Luka!

[Stanford]

For real though, what exactly is Harden suggesting the punishment should be for throwing a water bottle at a player? (Water bottle is the threshold now, but guys like KD and Kyrie would absolutely try to push the line to include heckling players, you can be sure of that)

I wouldn't suggest going easy on these fans. I think a lifetime ban from the arena and a 5 year ban from all NBA games would be appropriate. But I feel like Kyrie wants this fan charged with a hate crime.

[ivysixer2000]

For real though, what exactly is Harden suggesting the punishment should be for throwing a water bottle at a player? (Water bottle is the threshold now, but guys like KD and Kyrie would absolutely try to push the line to include heckling players, you can be sure of that)

I wouldn't suggest going easy on these fans. I think a lifetime ban from the arena and a 5 year ban from all NBA games would be appropriate. But I feel like Kyrie wants this fan charged with a hate crime.

I do agree with Sixerscan on the temporary netting at the entrance and exits for players, that would work pretty well. Just put it up at the beginning and end of the game, and that will curb it a bit.

Kyrie is just a drama queen and narcissist as usual, ignoring how many dumb things he's done and said in the past. He does act like he's George Floyd or something cause a damn water bottle. As a black man myself, Kyrie is just embarrassing sometimes when he opens his mouth.

[Zumramania]

In Europe, we used to have a huge problem with soccer hooligans. Of course, since the game is played at a stadium it is much harder to throw stuff at players, but fans of opposing teams would fight against each other on the stands, people got injured and even killed (google the Heysel stadium disaster from 1985). ​But most countries banned offenders from buying tickets since the ticket you buy is tied to your ID and then they can deny you from buying a ticket or even deny you from crossing the border to travel to an away match in another country.

The stadium security became tighter as well, fans from opposing teams are well separated and you cannot bring in anything that you can throw, they sell drinks in plastic cups only and you can't do much damage with those. If they assess that a match is "high risk", they can even decide to sell only alcohol-free beer. So it is mostly ok, except if someone tries to throw their smartphone at the referee or a player (which actually happens sometimes), but you can't control everything...

[Murray_17]

For real though, what exactly is Harden suggesting the punishment should be for throwing a water bottle at a player? (Water bottle is the threshold now, but guys like KD and Kyrie would absolutely try to push the line to include heckling players, you can be sure of that)

I wouldn't suggest going easy on these fans. I think a lifetime ban from the arena and a 5 year ban from all NBA games would be appropriate. But I feel like Kyrie wants this fan charged with a hate crime.

I think some players are gonna start to suggest fining the teams to force them and be more active.

Evertyhing else, like penalizing teams with less home games seems like a bridge too far for me

In Europe, we used to have a huge problem with soccer hooligans. Of course, since the game is played at a stadium it is much harder to throw stuff at players, but fans of opposing teams would fight against each other on the stands, people got injured and even killed (google the Heysel stadium disaster from 1985). ​But most countries banned offenders from buying tickets since the ticket you buy is tied to your ID and then they can deny you from buying a ticket or even deny you from crossing the border to travel to an away match in another country.

The stadium security became tighter as well, fans from opposing teams are well separated and you cannot bring in anything that you can throw, they sell drinks in plastic cups only and you can't do much damage with those. If they assess that a match is "high risk", they can even decide to sell only alcohol-free beer. So it is mostly ok, except if someone tries to throw their smartphone at the referee or a player (which actually happens sometimes), but you can't control everything...

Yeah, measures like this are easier to enforce in the rest of the world because europeans and almost all the rest of the world have national government issue ID identification.

The US not, this is why i'm not even sure how teams can enforce the "life" bans of some of those fans.

[76ciology]

I'm not exactly sure how the NBA deals with people throwing stuff at players. I see and hear people mocking the NBA for banning people from arenas and how unenforceable that is, which is true, but I'm not sure what else they expect them to do. This isn't the same thing as getting mad at the NBA for not calling traveling enough. At the end of the day they're just a business, it's not as if they actually have the right to engage in vigilante justice or whatever and punish people for doing these sorts of things. I don't care what random small businesses do, when you're as big and public as the NBA you have to do everything by the book.

They can make it more physically difficult to actually hit a player with something. I'm not sure if they'll ever take away courtside seats or set up netting during the game the way they are doing with baseball now, but they can probably do some sort of temporary netting as players are entering and leaving the arena.

Otherwise they should probably beef up the PSAs and just make it clearer to people that you can actually suffer real world consequences by doing something like this. Getting convicted of even a low level assault charge can screw your life up a lot more than, say, getting beat up by Kyrie Irving.

In my country, what they do is they dont allow bottles inside the court and give them cups instead.

But after they banned bottles, the wilder fans started throwing coins.

[Sixerscan]

I'm not exactly sure how the NBA deals with people throwing stuff at players. I see and hear people mocking the NBA for banning people from arenas and how unenforceable that is, which is true, but I'm not sure what else they expect them to do. This isn't the same thing as getting mad at the NBA for not calling traveling enough. At the end of the day they're just a business, it's not as if they actually have the right to engage in vigilante justice or whatever and punish people for doing these sorts of things. I don't care what random small businesses do, when you're as big and public as the NBA you have to do everything by the book.

They can make it more physically difficult to actually hit a player with something. I'm not sure if they'll ever take away courtside seats or set up netting during the game the way they are doing with baseball now, but they can probably do some sort of temporary netting as players are entering and leaving the arena.

Otherwise they should probably beef up the PSAs and just make it clearer to people that you can actually suffer real world consequences by doing something like this. Getting convicted of even a low level assault charge can screw your life up a lot more than, say, getting beat up by Kyrie Irving.

In my country, what they do is they dont allow bottles inside the court and give them cups instead.

But after they banned bottles, the wilder fans started throwing coins.

In my experience, generally in American arenas even if they sell you a bottle they don't let you keep the cap, which would make it harder to throw. Might have adjusted that with covid.

[Kobblehead]

Players could do their part in not being openly antagonistic towards fans, as well.

Like if the Celtics organization gets fined because some idiot in their stands threw a bottle, Kyrie needs to get fined for incendiary remarks (calling out the fanbase before game 3) and behavior (stomping on the logo in front of the crowd) in inciting the incident.

[Sixerscan]

Players could do their part in not being openly antagonistic towards fans, as well.

Like if the Celtics organization gets fined because some idiot in their stands threw a bottle, Kyrie needs to get fined for incendiary remarks (calling out the fanbase before game 3) and behavior (stomping on the logo in front of the crowd) in inciting the incident.

Nah, shouldn't have to be an angel to not get a bottle thrown at you.

[ivysixer2000]

I do wonder if it was a full bottle of water (which in the face would hurt), since it was thrown that distance it at least had to have some water in it. I mean the dude that threw it might need an NFL tryout cause he was damn accurate.

I still think its a bit overboard, Seahawks fans used to throw Skittles at Lynch when he scored, and we all know where the battery thing came from. Hopefully we have a lil common sense with all this stuff.

[Kobblehead]

Nah, shouldn't have to be an angel to not get a bottle thrown at you.

Players still should be responsible for mitigating potential issues by not saying and doing dumb things to incite fans. Kyrie probably doesn't got a bottle thrown at him if he doesn't do the things he did leading up to and after that game. Russell Westbrook is a repeat offender of being toxic and violent towards fans.

You're not going to 100% stop an idiot in the stands from doing something stupid, but if you're responsible enough with your own words and actions, you may prevent such an incident from occurring.