Fantasy Trade Thread

[DCasey91]

That doesn't change the fact that Simmons is a terrible playoff player on a $30m+ contract that teams will keep hacking and sending to the line, ruining any flow and offensive momentum we ever have. Simmons has to go, I thought we realized this.

It doesn’t change the fact that Harris has a horrible contract can’t get to the line and is not a great scorer and can’t be good enough to be the second option.
He’s getting paid closer to 40$ mill.

Mr.Harris really does get a free pass somehow.

The biggest problem has always been his contract.

Destroys any type of cap or asset flexibility on the team.

It’s easy for me if you take all the noise out. Sell high or sell low? We should be selling high on tobi and buying low on someone else who is overpaid but much better fitting

So CJ it is then that’s right along those lines of play.

[DCasey91]

That doesn't change the fact that Simmons is a terrible playoff player on a $30m+ contract that teams will keep hacking and sending to the line, ruining any flow and offensive momentum we ever have. Simmons has to go, I thought we realized this.

It doesn’t change the fact that Harris has a horrible contract can’t get to the line and is not a great scorer and can’t be good enough to be the second option.
He’s getting paid closer to 40$ mill.

Mr.Harris really does get a free pass somehow.

The biggest problem has always been his contract.

Destroys any type of cap or asset flexibility on the team.

Who cares if Harris isn't great or is overpaid? He's still better and more impactful than Ben. We can have a conversation about moving Harris once we cut the deadweight that is Simmons. Ben is way worse than Tobias. And his contract is way worse. And he's way less playable in the playoffs.

1. Harris is not more impactful then Ben. Two sides to play offense/defense. Ben has been solid on both sides, look what happened when he didn’t play. Our team perimeter defense and team facilitating was null in-void. Ben rocks a pretty good Ortg, and Drtg.
Harris has been bog average on both sides.

2. Harris @ 40 mill... or CJ + 21 mil saved.

3. Everybody hates Ben fine. Look at his contract. It’s top 30 or higher. At minimum it’s neutral to positive, age and environment factored in. Solo or functioning backcourt. Boom value restored overnight. He was runner up for DPOY for ffs.

Package Ben for a star, not Brogdon and a non top ten pick that’s silly stuff. Have a look at what Brogdon really is (bad durability, bad defender) and you’d say auto no too and move on.

4. Harris wasn’t on the table for a superstar... Ben was.

NO BRAIN energy to figure out which will be better for us in the long run.

[Arsenal]

For me it's simply that Ben > Tobias. Keeping Tobias around to spam midranges, get cooked on defense and fold every playoffs because it'll satisfy a nagging hate boner for Ben doesn't bring this team any closer to winning. Nor does underselling the asset of Ben Simmons for a sub par trade package. Nobody is saying he played well in the playoffs.

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[DCasey91]

Put it this way I’d rather keep a young but bigger Draymond Green.

Over a 40million dollar worse Carmelo Anthony on both sides of the ball.

Ben has always been more valuable then Harris.

Seriously guys need to check the game logs of pivotal games in 2019,2020 and this year. Any type of pressure on Harris is the same with Ben... But Ben can defense elite wise and facilitate.

Harris can’t do squat if his shot isn’t falling.

Game five I swear Tobias got kidnapped. Like I was legit worried he didn’t rock up to the game that’s how invisible he can be.

2 things to stay on the court. Ben can do that, Harris can’t.

A high functioning backcourt does more to cover both Ben and Embiid then overpay Harris could ever dream off.

They maybe small but we can cover it if we got Lowry and CJ.

Imagine them paired with Embiid + Ben.

That’s money town for us.

[Sportfan73]

It doesn’t change the fact that Harris has a horrible contract can’t get to the line and is not a great scorer and can’t be good enough to be the second option.
He’s getting paid closer to 40$ mill.

Mr.Harris really does get a free pass somehow.

The biggest problem has always been his contract.

Destroys any type of cap or asset flexibility on the team.

It’s easy for me if you take all the noise out. Sell high or sell low? We should be selling high on tobi and buying low on someone else who is overpaid but much better fitting

So CJ it is then that’s right along those lines of play.

100 percent. 1 year of CU playing with Ben and Jo on a top 2 seed averaging 25+ ppg and 40+ percent from deep on like 10 attempts a game and his value is double what Tobias’s ever was. There’s never been a closer gap between the two and it won’t last long

[DCasey91]

Yep 100% CJ’s value is not as high because of the Blazers reform now.

Added to the fact he’ll get a very nice uptick in production by definition with him being solo and the fact we save 21 mill and get a better fit in the process it’s such an easy call to make here.

Not like Harris is some stalwart defender lol.

I can’t believe people here actually defends Harris over Ben.

He gets paid 40$ mill. I repeat that 40$ mill.

Building a championship quality team is donesky right there and then with that contract.

Won’t be surprised if both get moved. But I think Harris will be first on the chopping block not Ben.

[youngcrev]

Having Lowry and CJ next to Ben and Jo would be awesome. It actually feels feasible too in terms of value we could send out. Sending out Harris and Curry in a CJ deal would allow for 25M starting salary for Lowry via S&T. Money just gets crazy tight beyond that in terms of building out the rest of the team due to being hard capped at the apron. That puts you at like 119M for 4 guys, leaving you with about 23M to fill out the remaining 11 guys. Or maybe you add some bad years onto Lowry to get him at a lower starting point so you can at least try and bring Danny back.

[51X3RF4N]

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Ben stays

Bro you have to explain why.

It’s unfair because Kobble spent like the entire night hiking on some treacherous mountain 2000 meters above sea level for inspiration on why we need to trade Ben, he even then personally went to the league office to check Ben’s contract the next day without having any sleep at all.

Ben stays FOR NOW. Because title winning teams and dynasties sell high. Not low. That’s really all there is to it

What if trading Ben now is actually selling high????

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[Sportfan73]

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Bro you have to explain why.

It’s unfair because Kobble spent like the entire night hiking on some treacherous mountain 2000 meters above sea level for inspiration on why we need to trade Ben, he even then personally went to the league office to check Ben’s contract the next day without having any sleep at all.

Ben stays FOR NOW. Because title winning teams and dynasties sell high. Not low. That’s really all there is to it

What if trading Ben now is actually selling high????

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If he’s in a bigger package sure. But stand alone it’s just straight up not and everyone here knows that

[Foshan]

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Bro you have to explain why.

It’s unfair because Kobble spent like the entire night hiking on some treacherous mountain 2000 meters above sea level for inspiration on why we need to trade Ben, he even then personally went to the league office to check Ben’s contract the next day without having any sleep at all.

Ben stays FOR NOW. Because title winning teams and dynasties sell high. Not low. That’s really all there is to it

What if trading Ben now is actually selling high????

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we know it is not. he is a regular season all star. his value will go up.

[Mik317]

again...Ben's issues are playoff issues. He is a regular season floor raiser. May not be valuable to us anymore...but it is to a lot of owners out there. Chris Paul was considered untradeable a few seasons ago...he got traded and both spots leveled up. There are very few untradeable contracts anymore. Ben is flawed as hell...but the allure has not worn off despite that and there will always be a coach or gm who thinks he is god lol.

again Ben's struggles have not been clowned on by his peers and he stays getting votes from coaches and FO dudes....I think his value is pretty teflon at this point somehow lol.

[51X3RF4N]

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Ben stays FOR NOW. Because title winning teams and dynasties sell high. Not low. That’s really all there is to it

What if trading Ben now is actually selling high????

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If he’s in a bigger package sure. But stand alone it’s just straight up not and everyone here knows that

Oh really? Everyone knows it? How do we know Ben will ever recover from this? How can we be sure he comes out better mentally next season? We can't. That was my point. What if, this version of Ben Simmons is the best we are going to get from him? What if this playoff series broke him mentally?

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[SparksFly87]

Westbrook for Tobias and Hill.
Or
Tobias for CJ.

Use the rest to get Lowry


I ain't trading curry in no deal. He is a ace shooter.

[youngcrev]

Westbrook for Tobias and Hill.
Or
Tobias for CJ.

Use the rest to get Lowry


I ain't trading curry in no deal. He is a ace shooter.

Ew.

[Kobblehead]

Morey already made one of the worst trades in his career the last time he traded for Westbrook.

[stormi]

What's the valuation of Ben & Tobias vs Westbrook & Beal.

I really hate Russ' game, and think he's a low IQ chucker. On the other hand though, he might be kind of awesome with a dominant ballstopper in Embiid who wouldn't allow him to shoot 15 jumpers a game. He'd be a pure rim slasher + drive + kick facilitator. Beal is Beal, polarizing player on this board. I'm leaning no, but I wouldn't be shocked if it made us a more rounded team. Tobias is the clear cut weak-link of the quartet.

Possible incentives: Pick #15, Deni Avdija

[Sportfan73]

Tobias for CJ is the deal. I’m willing to overpay to do it. Draw it up however just get it done.

Tobias/28 for CJ
Tobias/Matisse for CJ/Cov maybe still give them 28 here?
Tobias/shake for CJ

Any of those are cool with me if Portland won’t go straight across. Which I don’t think they should tobi makes more money

[the_process]

That doesn't change the fact that Simmons is a terrible playoff player on a $30m+ contract that teams will keep hacking and sending to the line, ruining any flow and offensive momentum we ever have. Simmons has to go, I thought we realized this.

Yeah, but the GM here is Morey. He isn't going to sell Ben for peanuts. He will wait and sell high. He may not be able to this summer. If it isn't possible, you do the best you can until it is possible.

Getting a whatever return for Harris doesn't really matter. But getting fleeced on a Ben trade for perceived fit would put a bow on the Embiid era.

[the_process]

What's the valuation of Ben & Tobias vs Westbrook & Beal.

I really hate Russ' game, and think he's a low IQ chucker. On the other hand though, he might be kind of awesome with a dominant ballstopper in Embiid who wouldn't allow him to shoot 15 jumpers a game. He'd be a pure rim slasher + drive + kick facilitator. Beal is Beal, polarizing player on this board. I'm leaning no, but I wouldn't be shocked if it made us a more rounded team. Tobias is the clear cut weak-link of the quartet.

Possible incentives: Pick #15, Deni Avdija

And you all think Tobias' contract is bad...

[Kobblehead]

That doesn't change the fact that Simmons is a terrible playoff player on a $30m+ contract that teams will keep hacking and sending to the line, ruining any flow and offensive momentum we ever have. Simmons has to go, I thought we realized this.

Yeah, but the GM here is Morey. He isn't going to sell Ben for peanuts. He will wait and sell high. He may not be able to this summer. If it isn't possible, you do the best you can until it is possible.

Getting a whatever return for Harris doesn't really matter. But getting fleeced on a Ben trade for perceived fit would put a bow on the Embiid era.

How can we possibly get fleeced in any Ben Simmons trade? The guy is a terrible playoff piece. That Brogdon/1st rounder would have even been a good deal.