Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

[stormi]

I think the top trade I'd try to pull off is Ben for Dejounte Murray, Devin Vassell, and Doug McDermott (or Thad Young or Aminu + someone else). No picks. Murray covers long PG requirement, Vassell can be a longterm prospect.

Pop can try to turn Ben into LeBron.

One thing we don't need to a glut at the guard position. We already signed on for Green to be here for 2 more years, Curry's here for 2 also. We're likely going to try to hand a larger perimeter scoring load to Maxey. Then we also have Shake who gets relevant minutes.

I'd be very excited to have a depth chart of:

Murray/Maxey
Maxey/Curry/Milton/Furk
Green/Tisse/Vassell/Furk
Harris/3rd Spur player/Reed
Embiid/Drummond

Murray, Maxey and, to a lesser extent, Milton will pretty much be constantly on the court all game to serve as the creators. Defense doesn't really suffer at all (actually gets deeper tbh).

I value Vassell greatly, so my opinion might not be shared with the rest of the board. He would likely make one of (or both) Green and Tisse expendable within a year.

No picks? This would be an allegiance shifting trade for me.

[stormi]

I'm not really with this Dejounte Murray hype train. It's giving me #HeatCulture stimulus Josh Richardson all over again. He can't shoot, can't dribble.

(ctrl+f -> Murray on page two) https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?sort=POSS&dir=1

30th percentile isolation scorer...

His best attributes are defending and passing, while being eons worse than Ben at both. Okay, so Diet Ben Simmons.

Vassell is an okay throw-in prospect if you believe you can develop him beyond the fairly typical 3&D roleplayer he's trajecting into. ATM also can't shoot, or dribble. Non-existent FT rates in college.

I can't see how this trade would increase this rosters ceiling.

[Sportfan73]

I'm not really with this Dejounte Murray hype train. It's giving me #HeatCulture stimulus Josh Richardson all over again. He can't shoot, can't dribble.

(ctrl+f -> Murray on page two) https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?sort=POSS&dir=1

30th percentile isolation scorer...

His best attributes are defending and passing, while being eons worse than Ben at both. Okay, so Diet Ben Simmons.

Vassell is an okay throw-in prospect if you believe you can develop him beyond the fairly typical 3&D roleplayer he's trajecting into. ATM also can't shoot, or dribble. Non-existent FT rates in college.


I can't see how this trade would increase this rosters ceiling.

Looking at that iso list, who should we realistically target?

[stormi]

:evil:

I'm not really with this Dejounte Murray hype train. It's giving me #HeatCulture stimulus Josh Richardson all over again. He can't shoot, can't dribble.

(ctrl+f -> Murray on page two) https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?sort=POSS&dir=1

30th percentile isolation scorer...

His best attributes are defending and passing, while being eons worse than Ben at both. Okay, so Diet Ben Simmons.

Vassell is an okay throw-in prospect if you believe you can develop him beyond the fairly typical 3&D roleplayer he's trajecting into. ATM also can't shoot, or dribble. Non-existent FT rates in college.


I can't see how this trade would increase this rosters ceiling.

Looking at that iso list, who should we realistically target?

We aren't getting an ideal fit, but I'd rather go the heavy futures / warchest route - which might be dealing with Minnesota, than locking us into ECQF/ECSF purgatory with Murray/Harris/Embiid.

[Sportfan73]

:evil:

I'm not really with this Dejounte Murray hype train. It's giving me #HeatCulture stimulus Josh Richardson all over again. He can't shoot, can't dribble.

(ctrl+f -> Murray on page two) https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?sort=POSS&dir=1

30th percentile isolation scorer...

His best attributes are defending and passing, while being eons worse than Ben at both. Okay, so Diet Ben Simmons.

Vassell is an okay throw-in prospect if you believe you can develop him beyond the fairly typical 3&D roleplayer he's trajecting into. ATM also can't shoot, or dribble. Non-existent FT rates in college.


I can't see how this trade would increase this rosters ceiling.

Looking at that iso list, who should we realistically target?

We aren't getting an ideal fit, but I'd rather go the heavy futures / warchest route - which might be dealing with Minnesota than locking us into ECQF/ECSF purgatory with Murray/Harris/Embiid.

I just wish we could get like war chest+ Brogdon or something

[Sportfan73]

:evil:

I'm not really with this Dejounte Murray hype train. It's giving me #HeatCulture stimulus Josh Richardson all over again. He can't shoot, can't dribble.

(ctrl+f -> Murray on page two) https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?sort=POSS&dir=1

30th percentile isolation scorer...

His best attributes are defending and passing, while being eons worse than Ben at both. Okay, so Diet Ben Simmons.

Vassell is an okay throw-in prospect if you believe you can develop him beyond the fairly typical 3&D roleplayer he's trajecting into. ATM also can't shoot, or dribble. Non-existent FT rates in college.


I can't see how this trade would increase this rosters ceiling.

Looking at that iso list, who should we realistically target?

We aren't getting an ideal fit, but I'd rather go the heavy futures / warchest route - which might be dealing with Minnesota than locking us into ECQF/ECSF purgatory with Murray/Harris/Embiid.

Like if it’s Beasley, McDaniels, 2 swaps and 2 firsts. Can we flip Beasley, McDaniels and like shake and 2 2nds for brogdon? Maybe springer instead?

[Negrodamus]

I'm not really with this Dejounte Murray hype train. It's giving me #HeatCulture stimulus Josh Richardson all over again. He can't shoot, can't dribble.

(ctrl+f -> Murray on page two) https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation/?sort=POSS&dir=1

30th percentile isolation scorer...

His best attributes are defending and passing, while being eons worse than Ben at both. Okay, so Diet Ben Simmons.

Vassell is an okay throw-in prospect if you believe you can develop him beyond the fairly typical 3&D roleplayer he's trajecting into. ATM also can't shoot, or dribble. Non-existent FT rates in college.

I can't see how this trade would increase this rosters ceiling.

I guess we won't be missing much since Ben is even more infrequently an isolation scorer than Murray. Additionally, Murray wasn't really the PG, but rather secondary ballhandler to DeRozan, a great fit for our offense and someone we had a chance at grabbing this offseason but decided to sit on it.

Mind you, Murray also was close to winning the fake honors of DPOY. The big difference is that Murray is a 15ppg scorer who shoots three 3FGA per game compared to Ben's what, .2 per game? He's an actual threat to hit shots.

I'll accept the concern about Vassell's FTr. It's his one blemish on a nearly flawless statline as a prospect. I think it's a worthy risk.

[Negrodamus]

:evil:
Looking at that iso list, who should we realistically target?

We aren't getting an ideal fit, but I'd rather go the heavy futures / warchest route - which might be dealing with Minnesota than locking us into ECQF/ECSF purgatory with Murray/Harris/Embiid.

Like if it’s Beasley, McDaniels, 2 swaps and 2 firsts. Can we flip Beasley, McDaniels and like shake and 2 2nds for brogdon? Maybe springer instead?

Ben for Beasley, McDaniels, and picks/swaps? Count me WAAAY out. And at the end of the rainbow, we essentially traded Ben and Shake for Brogdon? Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you're suggesting.

[stormi]

:evil:
Looking at that iso list, who should we realistically target?

We aren't getting an ideal fit, but I'd rather go the heavy futures / warchest route - which might be dealing with Minnesota than locking us into ECQF/ECSF purgatory with Murray/Harris/Embiid.

Like if it’s Beasley, McDaniels, 2 swaps and 2 firsts. Can we flip Beasley, McDaniels and like shake and 2 2nds for brogdon? Maybe springer instead?

I feel like Indiana is still trying to... win with this core. Or at the very least they're chasing after playoff revenue. They were interested in Ben, but I doubt Beasley/MCD types would incentivize them to move their starting one guard considering they're already lacking top talent and littered with those types of players.

[Sportfan73]

We aren't getting an ideal fit, but I'd rather go the heavy futures / warchest route - which might be dealing with Minnesota than locking us into ECQF/ECSF purgatory with Murray/Harris/Embiid.

Like if it’s Beasley, McDaniels, 2 swaps and 2 firsts. Can we flip Beasley, McDaniels and like shake and 2 2nds for brogdon? Maybe springer instead?

Ben for Beasley, McDaniels, and picks/swaps? Count me WAAAY out. And at the end of the rainbow, we essentially traded Ben and Shake for Brogdon? Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you're suggesting.

We end up with Brogdon, 22 swap, 23 unprotected first, 24 swap, and 25 unprotected first all wolves picks. Wolves end up with Ben and Indy gets shake, Beasley, McDaniels, and a couple 2nds

[Sportfan73]

We aren't getting an ideal fit, but I'd rather go the heavy futures / warchest route - which might be dealing with Minnesota than locking us into ECQF/ECSF purgatory with Murray/Harris/Embiid.

Like if it’s Beasley, McDaniels, 2 swaps and 2 firsts. Can we flip Beasley, McDaniels and like shake and 2 2nds for brogdon? Maybe springer instead?

I feel like Indiana is still trying to... win with this core. Or at the very least they're chasing after playoff revenue. They were interested in Ben, but I doubt Beasley/MCD types would incentivize them to move their starting one guard considering they're already lacking top talent and littered those types of players.

Give me Brogdon, CJ, or Sexton if Sac is out

[Eyeamok]

So recently Ben has posted a few pictures of himself on IG and he left the comments on. I thought to myself. Hmmm that's strange maybe he just showing he does not care about negative comments and he is coming back with a whole new attitude and work ethic.
But now I think the comments were left on so he could get a taste of what the crowd reaction to him would be. Some of the comments were positive a good deal of them were negative. That is when, I believe, he decided he could not deal with the negative attitude of the fans and he decided he wanted out. That plus the fact that he probably has not worked on his game in the most important areas. Or gone and seen someone about why he is afraid to shoot. The critics were too much so he took his ball and went home.

[stormi]

We're writing fanfics in here now?

[KramerDSP]

Interesting wiretap article about GS wondering if Green and Simmons are compatible. I played around with TradeNBA at their new site and it looks like starting September 4th, Kuminga and Moody can be traded.

What are your thoughts now after all of this has transpired about turning Ben Simmons into Draymond Green, Jonathan Kuminga or Moses Moody, and a 2025 1st?

[stormi]

If it's or, nah. And... sure.

I'm super high on Kuminga. I like the flexibility we get back with the 2025 pick as well.

Segway that into Harris for ballhandler and we've come up.

Maxey/Curry/Milton
McCollum/Thybulle
Green/Moody/Korkmaz
Green/Kuminga/Reed
Embiid/Drummond

[Roy The Natural]

If it's or, nah. And... sure.

I'm super high on Kuminga. I like the flexibility we get back with the 2025 pick as well.

Segway that into Harris for ballhandler and we've come up.

Maxey/Curry/Milton
McCollum/Thybulle
Green/Moody/Korkmaz
Green/Kuminga/Reed
Embiid/Drummond

Can't imagine that CJ for Harris is still in the cards with both Nance Jr and Covington now.

[Sportfan73]

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Call it in! We can flip Beasley, McDaniels, and maybe like springer for someone like Brogdon? Maybe throw in one of our own firsts in one of the years that we get the Minnesota ones

[ProcessDoctor]

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Call it in! We can flip Beasley, McDaniels, and maybe like springer for someone like Brogdon? Maybe throw in one of our own firsts in one of the years that we get the Minnesota ones

That's the exact type of package that needs to go to Portland. C'mon Dame before it's too late brooooo

[stormi]

If it's or, nah. And... sure.

I'm super high on Kuminga. I like the flexibility we get back with the 2025 pick as well.

Segway that into Harris for ballhandler and we've come up.

Maxey/Curry/Milton
McCollum/Thybulle
Green/Moody/Korkmaz
Green/Kuminga/Reed
Embiid/Drummond

Can't imagine that CJ for Harris is still in the cards with both Nance Jr and Covington now.

I'll retire CJ for Harris as soon as Portland fans retire Ben for CJ.

[stormi]

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Call it in! We can flip Beasley, McDaniels, and maybe like springer for someone like Brogdon? Maybe throw in one of our own firsts in one of the years that we get the Minnesota ones

And what exactly is he quoting.

edit: Oh it's a reference to an Athletic article

https://theathletic.com/2797725/2021/08/31/the-timberwolves-lack-of-activity-at-power-forward-all-seemingly-points-one-way-ben-simmons/?source=user_shared_article

Even if the Wolves did include D’Angelo Russell in an offer — and they have talked all summer about building a team with Towns, Edwards and Russell around Simmons — it would not appear to be the magic bullet move that Morey needs to part ways with one of the best defensive players in the league … yet.

In conversations with teams in Las Vegas, I came away with the impression that the Timberwolves were the team that was most active in talks to try to make a Simmons deal happen.