Welcome James Harden!

[mjkvol]

I'm starting to miss the Australian Simmons stans

Post of the day nominee.

[mjkvol]

Harden may be a supremely physically talented player, but the dog this team needs to win at that level he is not, and the players on the team know it.

Is knowing exactly what the players are thinking a result of having your finger on the pulse of the team?

[Suwanee]

Harden may be a supremely physically talented player, but the dog this team needs to win at that level he is not, and the players on the team know it.

Is knowing exactly what the players are thinking a result of having your finger on the pulse of the team?

That's the result of becoming a fly on the wall of the locker rooms.

[zimpy27]

There is nothing delusional whatsoever about it. Harden is low-character, the team will likely have a culture insufficient for a championship with him as one of its centerpieces, and the game last night was highly consistent with that notion, as it featured a performance about 5 standard deviations below the team's norm with his being a part of it for the first time.

Got it all figured out after one game huh? Lol

Do you know what a fool you are making out of yourself?

Get back to work if you have a job. Lll

I know I'm talking to people who desperately want to see this team turn a corner toward a championship with Harden's arrival. That I know.

What could be possibly gained by trying to poop on dreams this early?
100% chance of making the journey a little worse

[eyeatoma]

Some people truly just try to take all the joy out of life.

[Ben]

The hell is going on in here

A guy with his finger on the pulse of the Sixers is letting us know that the team has already become dysfunctional due to Harden's mere presence at one game.

Other than that, business as usual.

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[Negrodamus]

Some people always think they know what it takes to win, and you know what? They're right... until they're not. As zaz102 aptly wrote:

#1: winning a championship is not easy even with great players.

So most of the time if you predict that this or player won’t win you’re gonna be right, because only one team wins per year and many great players never play on a title team. I can just see someone trashing John Stockton and Karl Malone for being weak or soft or low character because, as the critic predicted would happen, they never won rings.

Ferry Avenue's claims that Harden's "low character" will block his teams from titles, and that last night’s blowout shows Harden's influence already at work, remind me of how some people used to talk about Lebron before he'd won: he was too selfish, or insecure, or not sufficiently serious. Or how they used to talk about MJ before he won.

I remember some of the Bulls' board conversations circa 2012 when Lebron and Dwight were dancing pre-ASG and pre-ACL-tear Derrick Rose, who was super-serious, stood back and looked uncomfortable. We loved Rose—I still love the guy—and some people looked for any reason to claim that Lebron’s previous lack of rings could be explained by some factor that would predict his future lack of rings. I just found this Feb. 2012 forum page, not from RealGM, which has a couple of classic quotes:

"I've always said the day lebron stops caring what people think is when he will win."
"Lebron is a egocentric a**** who needs to tighten up, get a damn ring then come back and gloat. He is still a newbie and he is feeling himself too much he won't get far with that attitude."

And of course this was just months before Lebron would win his first ring, prior to doing it in three other cities.

Those critics had deep insight into what makes a winner because-- in the instances that they could remember-- the teams that won didn’t, as far as the critic knew, have key players who were exactly like the player they were now criticizing.

They were right... until they weren’t.

If anything, I’m amazed at how much humility Sixers fans have shown in these last few pages, how tempered the expectations and predictions have been, presumably because experience is a harsh teacher. . Almost everyone is acknowledging that, yes, maybe Harden won't lead to a title here, but pointing out that that can’t be known from last night’s blowout without Harden or from Harden’s alleged “low character.” But the original critic still pretends to have the “pulse” of the team—knowing, of course, that he has an 80-85% chance of being able to claim in a few years that his theory has been vindicated, because that's the probability that ANY top team won't win in the next few years.

Oh well. Probably should have left it at my original "haters gonna hate" meme response. Sometimes a picture is worth not 1000 words but only 3, and yet those 3 can be enough.

The prediction isn't only that they won't win a championship -- it's that they won't perform well in the playoffs against the best teams in the league and won't even advance to the championship. In other words, they won't do any more than they've done in recent years, even with Harden. This team won't have the mettle to distinguish itself from the Heat or the Bucks, and they certainly wouldn't have a chance against Phoenix or Golden State.

Harden may be a supremely physically talented player, but the dog this team needs to win at that level he is not, and the players on the team know it.

We lost that dog when we traded... Seth Curry and Andre Drummond?

[Suwanee]

Some people always think they know what it takes to win, and you know what? They're right... until they're not. As zaz102 aptly wrote:



So most of the time if you predict that this or player won’t win you’re gonna be right, because only one team wins per year and many great players never play on a title team. I can just see someone trashing John Stockton and Karl Malone for being weak or soft or low character because, as the critic predicted would happen, they never won rings.

Ferry Avenue's claims that Harden's "low character" will block his teams from titles, and that last night’s blowout shows Harden's influence already at work, remind me of how some people used to talk about Lebron before he'd won: he was too selfish, or insecure, or not sufficiently serious. Or how they used to talk about MJ before he won.

I remember some of the Bulls' board conversations circa 2012 when Lebron and Dwight were dancing pre-ASG and pre-ACL-tear Derrick Rose, who was super-serious, stood back and looked uncomfortable. We loved Rose—I still love the guy—and some people looked for any reason to claim that Lebron’s previous lack of rings could be explained by some factor that would predict his future lack of rings. I just found this Feb. 2012 forum page, not from RealGM, which has a couple of classic quotes:

"I've always said the day lebron stops caring what people think is when he will win."
"Lebron is a egocentric a**** who needs to tighten up, get a damn ring then come back and gloat. He is still a newbie and he is feeling himself too much he won't get far with that attitude."

And of course this was just months before Lebron would win his first ring, prior to doing it in three other cities.

Those critics had deep insight into what makes a winner because-- in the instances that they could remember-- the teams that won didn’t, as far as the critic knew, have key players who were exactly like the player they were now criticizing.

They were right... until they weren’t.

If anything, I’m amazed at how much humility Sixers fans have shown in these last few pages, how tempered the expectations and predictions have been, presumably because experience is a harsh teacher. . Almost everyone is acknowledging that, yes, maybe Harden won't lead to a title here, but pointing out that that can’t be known from last night’s blowout without Harden or from Harden’s alleged “low character.” But the original critic still pretends to have the “pulse” of the team—knowing, of course, that he has an 80-85% chance of being able to claim in a few years that his theory has been vindicated, because that's the probability that ANY top team won't win in the next few years.

Oh well. Probably should have left it at my original "haters gonna hate" meme response. Sometimes a picture is worth not 1000 words but only 3, and yet those 3 can be enough.

The prediction isn't only that they won't win a championship -- it's that they won't perform well in the playoffs against the best teams in the league and won't even advance to the championship. In other words, they won't do any more than they've done in recent years, even with Harden. This team won't have the mettle to distinguish itself from the Heat or the Bucks, and they certainly wouldn't have a chance against Phoenix or Golden State.

Harden may be a supremely physically talented player, but the dog this team needs to win at that level he is not, and the players on the team know it.

We lost that dog when we traded... Seth Curry and Andre Drummond?

I think he meant Ben Simmons’ dog. A golden doodle I heard.

[Ferry Avenue]

Some people always think they know what it takes to win, and you know what? They're right... until they're not. As zaz102 aptly wrote:



So most of the time if you predict that this or player won’t win you’re gonna be right, because only one team wins per year and many great players never play on a title team. I can just see someone trashing John Stockton and Karl Malone for being weak or soft or low character because, as the critic predicted would happen, they never won rings.

Ferry Avenue's claims that Harden's "low character" will block his teams from titles, and that last night’s blowout shows Harden's influence already at work, remind me of how some people used to talk about Lebron before he'd won: he was too selfish, or insecure, or not sufficiently serious. Or how they used to talk about MJ before he won.

I remember some of the Bulls' board conversations circa 2012 when Lebron and Dwight were dancing pre-ASG and pre-ACL-tear Derrick Rose, who was super-serious, stood back and looked uncomfortable. We loved Rose—I still love the guy—and some people looked for any reason to claim that Lebron’s previous lack of rings could be explained by some factor that would predict his future lack of rings. I just found this Feb. 2012 forum page, not from RealGM, which has a couple of classic quotes:

"I've always said the day lebron stops caring what people think is when he will win."
"Lebron is a egocentric a**** who needs to tighten up, get a damn ring then come back and gloat. He is still a newbie and he is feeling himself too much he won't get far with that attitude."

And of course this was just months before Lebron would win his first ring, prior to doing it in three other cities.

Those critics had deep insight into what makes a winner because-- in the instances that they could remember-- the teams that won didn’t, as far as the critic knew, have key players who were exactly like the player they were now criticizing.

They were right... until they weren’t.

If anything, I’m amazed at how much humility Sixers fans have shown in these last few pages, how tempered the expectations and predictions have been, presumably because experience is a harsh teacher. . Almost everyone is acknowledging that, yes, maybe Harden won't lead to a title here, but pointing out that that can’t be known from last night’s blowout without Harden or from Harden’s alleged “low character.” But the original critic still pretends to have the “pulse” of the team—knowing, of course, that he has an 80-85% chance of being able to claim in a few years that his theory has been vindicated, because that's the probability that ANY top team won't win in the next few years.

Oh well. Probably should have left it at my original "haters gonna hate" meme response. Sometimes a picture is worth not 1000 words but only 3, and yet those 3 can be enough.

The prediction isn't only that they won't win a championship -- it's that they won't perform well in the playoffs against the best teams in the league and won't even advance to the championship. In other words, they won't do any more than they've done in recent years, even with Harden. This team won't have the mettle to distinguish itself from the Heat or the Bucks, and they certainly wouldn't have a chance against Phoenix or Golden State.

Harden may be a supremely physically talented player, but the dog this team needs to win at that level he is not, and the players on the team know it.

We lost that dog when we traded... Seth Curry and Andre Drummond?

There was no dog before the trade either. Hasn't been one since Butler. Embiid comes close but he doesn't play the right position.

I'll be delighted if I'm wrong.

[FireMorey]

After losing Butler and Harden basically completely destroyed any care I had about the Sixers, the Harden acquisition rejuvenated me. So much so, I bought my first Sixers jersey in like a decade. Ordered a Harden Spectrum jersey(City Edition) and an Embiid one too.

When Harden starts playing, I think I'm going to start watching again. Not every single game like I did for like 30 years. I just don't have that kind of time anymore. Frankly, the Sixers' F-ups of the last several years aren't the sole reason I stopped watching. I was dedicating too much time to sports and neglected so many hobbies and interests that it was weighing on my conscience for years, so a handful of years ago I decided that unless the teams have a legit chance to win a title, I'll always still be a fan, but am not going to watch much anymore. Sports are just too much of a time commitment. Hey, if people love watching regardless, that's their thing, more power to ya. But for example the days of me watching 162 Phillies games a year when the team has a 75 win roster are gone. Just can't justify spending that much time on a mediocre product, when I could put that time into things outside sports In genuinely love and have been doing for a while now that have made me so much happier. Same applies to all teams in the city, really. But I think the Sixers have a chance to be a great watch with Harden. Hope the fit works out as well as it looks on paper. Looking forward to regularly watching again, and still balancing it with my new hobbies.

But I'm legit interested in the Sixers again. They finally got a guy who can create his own shot and score the hell out of the ball from a guard. Other than a few months of Butler, it's really been since Iverson. It's been like 15 or so years.

[downtownpie]

He said in the press conference he's going to opt in. Either way, they're going to give him a long-term contract. He went to opt in but the paperwork wasn't able to be filed in time before the deadline.

That didn't happen by accident. Harden playing games already.

Lol Ben has been traded, why are you still here?

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Apologies I didn't realise this was your board.

[eyeatoma]

That didn't happen by accident. Harden playing games already.

Lol Ben has been traded, why are you still here?

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Apologies I didn't realise this was your board.

It's a board for Sixers fans, not Ben apologists, who like to come and serve us sour milk about the direction of the franchise and don't seem to have anything of value to add.

[zaz102]

Interesting tidbit from RTRS interview with Morey. He said last year, there's a good chance he would've given Maxey if that ever came up in the Harden talks, but this time Maxey increased his value that they wanted to hold in to him. He said it never came to that though last year. Doesn't this contradict reports that Maxey was the hold up last year?

[ArksNetsSince99]

Okay, you're not a troll, just self important
and in this case delusional. To draw a conclusion based on one game is nothing short of asinine.

Could you be "right" in the long term? Sure, anything is possible with all the egos involved in pro sports, but to suggest such a silly thing based on one game with Harden not even in the lineup and claim to somehow have "your finger on the pulse of the team"?

Maybe not a troll, but certainly delusional.

There is nothing delusional whatsoever about it. Harden is low-character, the team will likely have a culture insufficient for a championship with him as one of its centerpieces, and the game last night was highly consistent with that notion, as it featured a performance about 5 standard deviations below the team's norm with his being a part of it for the first time.

What you are doing is blowing shade to the entire organization including the coaches and GM. You are blaming Harden for past failures and not giving him any credit for past successes. That is the definition of a hater. One player is not responsible for these things. Can we at least agree on a couple points though. Was Morey not responsible for building a 65 win team that became the only legitimate threat against the dynastic Warriors? Did Harden win MVP that year? Did Tillman Fertitta have any influence in the dismantling of that? If so why try to blame Harden or not give him any credit due. You are predicting that Harden will have a negative affect on this club at least at the championship level. Why would a GM like Morey sacrifice and wait so long to get him? Morey has the exact opposite view you do. I beg the question to everyone reading this, who would you trust here?

You keep living in the past , you know that harden was a bum on the Nets , same stories you said on Nets board yet Harden get few least meaningless triple doubles in Nets history and in other games he was simply a bum to the point , Simmons aside and salaries , Seth Curry alone is an upgrade over harden

Reality is , Harden is cancerous overweight slab at the moment , Philly is lucky he didn’t sign extension due to clubbing in Houston , they saved themselves from worst future contract in NBA 4/232

[HardenGoat]

There is nothing delusional whatsoever about it. Harden is low-character, the team will likely have a culture insufficient for a championship with him as one of its centerpieces, and the game last night was highly consistent with that notion, as it featured a performance about 5 standard deviations below the team's norm with his being a part of it for the first time.

What you are doing is blowing shade to the entire organization including the coaches and GM. You are blaming Harden for past failures and not giving him any credit for past successes. That is the definition of a hater. One player is not responsible for these things. Can we at least agree on a couple points though. Was Morey not responsible for building a 65 win team that became the only legitimate threat against the dynastic Warriors? Did Harden win MVP that year? Did Tillman Fertitta have any influence in the dismantling of that? If so why try to blame Harden or not give him any credit due. You are predicting that Harden will have a negative affect on this club at least at the championship level. Why would a GM like Morey sacrifice and wait so long to get him? Morey has the exact opposite view you do. I beg the question to everyone reading this, who would you trust here?

You keep living in the past , you know that harden was a bum on the Nets , same stories you said on Nets board yet Harden get few least meaningless triple doubles in Nets history and in other games he was simply a bum to the point , Simmons aside and salaries , Seth Curry alone is an upgrade over harden

Reality is , Harden is cancerous overweight slab at the moment , Philly is lucky he didn’t sign extension due to clubbing in Houston , they saved themselves from worst future contract in NBA 4/232

You are just a hater. I have no doubt with a good coach and consistent rotations that maximize the strengths of the players he will deliver winning basketball. That’s all that matters in the end. You love to just ignore the real issue on the Nets that destroyed the mission. A selfish decision to not do whatever it takes to be on the team.

[ArksNetsSince99]

What you are doing is blowing shade to the entire organization including the coaches and GM. You are blaming Harden for past failures and not giving him any credit for past successes. That is the definition of a hater. One player is not responsible for these things. Can we at least agree on a couple points though. Was Morey not responsible for building a 65 win team that became the only legitimate threat against the dynastic Warriors? Did Harden win MVP that year? Did Tillman Fertitta have any influence in the dismantling of that? If so why try to blame Harden or not give him any credit due. You are predicting that Harden will have a negative affect on this club at least at the championship level. Why would a GM like Morey sacrifice and wait so long to get him? Morey has the exact opposite view you do. I beg the question to everyone reading this, who would you trust here?

You keep living in the past , you know that harden was a bum on the Nets , same stories you said on Nets board yet Harden get few least meaningless triple doubles in Nets history and in other games he was simply a bum to the point , Simmons aside and salaries , Seth Curry alone is an upgrade over harden

Reality is , Harden is cancerous overweight slab at the moment , Philly is lucky he didn’t sign extension due to clubbing in Houston , they saved themselves from worst future contract in NBA 4/232

You are just a hater. I have no doubt with a good coach and consistent rotations that maximize the strengths of the players he will deliver winning basketball. That’s all that matters in the end. You love to just ignore the real issue on the Nets that destroyed the mission. A selfish decision to not do whatever it takes to be on the team.

LoL we actually got better after bum was traded , Mission it’s still on , at least we don't have to worry anymore about hamstring when fat slob runs or jump up two inches up

[Ben]

Sixers win on the road against last year's champs and this year's favorites. I wonder what we can divine about Harden's character and its influence on the team?

[Monix]

You keep living in the past , you know that harden was a bum on the Nets , same stories you said on Nets board yet Harden get few least meaningless triple doubles in Nets history and in other games he was simply a bum to the point , Simmons aside and salaries , Seth Curry alone is an upgrade over harden

Reality is , Harden is cancerous overweight slab at the moment , Philly is lucky he didn’t sign extension due to clubbing in Houston , they saved themselves from worst future contract in NBA 4/232

You are just a hater. I have no doubt with a good coach and consistent rotations that maximize the strengths of the players he will deliver winning basketball. That’s all that matters in the end. You love to just ignore the real issue on the Nets that destroyed the mission. A selfish decision to not do whatever it takes to be on the team.

LoL we actually got better after bum was traded , Mission it’s still on , at least we don't have to worry anymore about hamstring when fat slob runs or jump up two inches up

if all you need is a 2 inch vertical, Seth can give you that

[bball4life]

You keep living in the past , you know that harden was a bum on the Nets , same stories you said on Nets board yet Harden get few least meaningless triple doubles in Nets history and in other games he was simply a bum to the point , Simmons aside and salaries , Seth Curry alone is an upgrade over harden

Reality is , Harden is cancerous overweight slab at the moment , Philly is lucky he didn’t sign extension due to clubbing in Houston , they saved themselves from worst future contract in NBA 4/232

You are just a hater. I have no doubt with a good coach and consistent rotations that maximize the strengths of the players he will deliver winning basketball. That’s all that matters in the end. You love to just ignore the real issue on the Nets that destroyed the mission. A selfish decision to not do whatever it takes to be on the team.

LoL we actually got better after bum was traded , Mission it’s still on , at least we don't have to worry anymore about hamstring when fat slob runs or jump up two inches up

Nets were 55-25 when Harden played. Not only are you a troll, you’re a stupid troll. Go back to your play in Nets and get ready for hack a Ben.


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[Damienfan]

The prediction isn't only that they won't win a championship -- it's that they won't perform well in the playoffs against the best teams in the league and won't even advance to the championship. In other words, they won't do any more than they've done in recent years, even with Harden. This team won't have the mettle to distinguish itself from the Heat or the Bucks, and they certainly wouldn't have a chance against Phoenix or Golden State.

Harden may be a supremely physically talented player, but the dog this team needs to win at that level he is not, and the players on the team know it.

We lost that dog when we traded... Seth Curry and Andre Drummond?

There was no dog before the trade either. Hasn't been one since Butler. Embiid comes close but he doesn't play the right position.

I'll be delighted if I'm wrong.

You must be delighted a lot.